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    Posted: November-24-2019 at 10:06pm
I just bought another twin-engine Fish Nautique! This is number two of the three that were built. I already own the 1981, and this one is the 1983. The last one ever made (a 1986) is still out there somewhere!

This one is currently on the way to Lake Norman from New York. It should be here on Tuesday.







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I haven't seen this one in person yet, but it is supposed to have rotary engines. That'll be a new experience for me. I'm sure they'll need to be rebuilt because this boat has been sitting for about ten years. Anyone have any experience with having rotary engines rebuilt?
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Rotary engines. Well they’re small for one thing. Reliable to a point and they suck gas like crazy but they’re cool. Are they 13B or the 12A variants? I’m sure Mazda club enthusiasts will be of help if they need rebuilding but maybe they’re still in good shape. Unique is an understatement.
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I have zero experience with rotary engines. Who knows? Maybe they'll fire right up.

No idea what they are yet. I'll post some pictures on Tuesday.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November-24-2019 at 11:49pm
I believe john b had experience with rotary powered boats and actually owned one at one time. He hasn't logged in though since June although it is time for a Mustang update.
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I owned a couple of Mazda RX-7 cars back in the mid 1980's. These came with the Wankel Rotary Engine. I thought the engine was a great little power-plant -- though not the most economical. They were notorious for being "cold-blooded" and my cars had factory manual choke levers. I had my last RX-7 fitted with an after-market turbo and that little Japanese "Corvette" was a rocketship. I owned a Porsche 911SC at the same time, and the RX-7 with the after-market turbo was quicker 0-60.

I often wondered about running a Wankel rotary engine in a marine application as the rotary is a high revving machine. With dual rotary engines in the Fish, I'm assuming that one is "reverse rotation". Don't know if the Wankel engine works righty/lefty like a standard piston mill with just a few changes...

As far as rebuilding...I believe that the apex seals for the rotors are typical major wear items for the Wankel. Don't know what rebuild kit availability is 30 years later...

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Mazda Rotary tech forum

I’m sure this link is a decent place to find some information. I drove a Cartech Turbo 13B Mazda at a driving school (it was a student’s car) and it inspired greatness.
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Well, this boat arrived this evening. It is very cool, but it is in pretty rough shape.

The engines are rotary 175c engines, which is kinda cool, but they are in rough shape, and will definitely need rebuilds.

Floor is fairly solid, but I am assuming the stringers are likely in need of replacement. It appears to have been stored outside for the last ten years or so unfortunately.

The trailer is the original 1983 Correct Craft 5-T-DV, modified at the factory for a twin-engine boat. It is in decent shape, and the wheels, tires and bearings are new.

One outstanding thing about this boat is the documentation that came with it. EVERYTHING seems to be there from the original owner's manual, to the engine manual for the original PCM V6 engines, all warranty cards from 1983, and even a signed letter from Walt Meloon appraising the boat in 1985. The receipt for the rotary engines from 1998 is there, and lots of other maintenance receipts.

Not sure what I am goin to do with this one yet. It is a little more of a project than I was hoping, but it is an important piece of Nautique/Correct Craft history.













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I used to race cars and have owned a couple of Rx-7's
Rotor motors are light but put out most HP at high rpms
Not much torque
If they overheat your done.
Apex seals and rotor housings are huge wear items.
Rotor housings are hard to find replacement items.
We operated the 12b/13b motors with a small amount of oil in the gas to help the apex seals longevity.
I would look at putting the straight 6's back in the boat if thats what came with it.
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I too would be inclined to go back to the 6's. Where they straights or V's? PCM's? What were they? I'd look at keeping the Hurth's since I've heard noting but good about them. I also recall Eric saying the Hurth's can be run in reverse changing the engine rotation. If so, then getting a RR engine wouldn't be needed.


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Yeah I watched a few YouTube videos on rebuilding a Wankel RX8 and there’s just no compelling reason to mess with those crazy engines in spite of the “cool factor” other than you already have them and if they start and run, you’ll maybe save a ton of cash (or not). With all you’re doing in this project I would go back to a pair of stock PCM 6’s and make it original.
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I doubt I could find a set of PCM V6 engines now. Maybe I am wrong. I do actually have a set for my other twin-engine Fish Nautique, but I think I will probably keep those with that boat.

The 1986 twin-engine Fish Nautique that I don't own has twin 454 engines. Maybe I'll put a couple of those in this one.

It is unfortunate that the previous owner paid over $16,000 for the rotary engines (way back in 1998), and now they are likely junk.

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Marinized Mazda 13bs crazy 90s fun- if the manifolds and accessories are salvageable I would try to junkyard source a couple 13bs cause why not?
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Twin 350s would make a pretty sporty boat 454 is alot of extra weight., There were more twins than you think. I know of 2 or 3 around orlando.
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Oh, really? That is news to me. Got any pictures of them? I have been searching for pictures so that I know how certain things were set up from the factory.
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There has been 2 or 3 for sale all had 4.3 engines if I recall same as old blazers had or bayliner etc. Some of the singles have gotten converted with a bracket to outboard and run pretty well apparently.
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Yeah, I have seen a couple of the outboard conversions.
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IIRC Woody always said there were 2-3. I seen a blue twin 4.3 a lot at SECC. Also got the impression that if I ever came across one of the twin FN to run away. Guess there was a reason for so few.
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Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

. Also got the impression that if I ever came across one of the twin FN to run away.

It sure would be interesting to find out some more info. Maybe Art and or Woody will see this and maybe fill us in.


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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5550
Which one of the 3 is that?


Clearly the information that I have heard over the years from multiple sources was flawed.

I am sorry.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

. Also got the impression that if I ever came across one of the twin FN to run away.

It sure would be interesting to find out some more info. Maybe Art and or Woody will see this and maybe fill us in.


I have discussed the '81 with Art quite a bit. He's the one that found the build sheets, etc. for me, and he is also supposed to search for the '83 info when he gets time. I have never gotten the idea that these boats were to be avoided. Curious as to why that would be.



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And there were twin engine San Juan, Cuddy and Sea Nautiques.
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Very true.
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Do these have single or twin gas tanks?
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This one, as well as the '81, have single tanks. Not sure if they all only had one or not.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5550
Which one of the 3 is that?


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Seems like used engines and new ones are available at least here;
https://www.1800runsnew.com/re-manufactured-engines/
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4.3's are popular 302 replacements in the 20' Shamrock world,just as much power way easier to get parts and a tad more room in the compartment. Twin engines lose their redundancy when you have only one tank.
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The 4.3L is a Chevy 350 with two cylinders cut off, that is why parts are less expensive and available. Same Water Pump, same layout just a little smaller if you have access.

The Mazda conversion is an odd one for sure, I only drove one of the rotary engines but I remember it could spin 8,000 RPM and sounded like a sewing machine. It was fast but like others mentioned very low on torque. Maybe they used a small prop and spun it very fast?
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