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    Posted: June-12-2020 at 5:14pm
So............if by chance someone would buy a 1984 2001 that has not been ran since the end of the 2018 boating season (in the Midwest) what items besides the below would you feel should be checked before giving it a battery charged key turn (with fake a lake on) and then maybe a drop in the lake for a ride.

1) Impeller change
2) Thermostat change
3) Oil and filter change
4) Check tranny fluid (change?)
5) Check / change plugs
6) Carb cleaner?

Abbreviated back story - boat was owned by same family since 1987 and was winterized properly and maintained by a mechanic.

Appreciate any inputs the group would have on this one as I have had some risk / reward conversations with myself a few times over the last few days on this subject matter.





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I wouldn't call it absolutely necessary, but pulling the plugs and rolling it over for 10 seconds or so with the starter will circulate the oil and you'll see it build pressure on the gauge.

You're taking the plugs out anyways   
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Keno........I will add this to the list..........Thanks!

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I would also check all hose clamps for tightness & also do an alignment.
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Noted and added to the list.........Thanks Chris!
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No reason to change the thermostat, unless info was given that it’s bad.
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Thanks Paul.........was trying to do "easy" items just to be proactive but understand your take. . I bought the boat without hearing it run, driving it etc.... so am a bit excited to say the least to play with it some. Boat and trailer are original, floor and stringers are very solid so I took a chance based on the owners feedback that it ran well when they put it away. I have the annual in laws / family gathering next weekend at our house so spent this weekend getting the house, outside, boats etc... ready for that so I only got to look at the new "toy" parked in front of the house.. My goal is to have it ready for a test run by the July 4th weekend.
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I would check & lube the impeller put some fresh gas in it hook up a bucket and hose and see if it run's.
Then start with the preventive or necessary maintenance, no sense putting the cart before the horse. IMO

By the way I bought my 2000 Sport with out hearing it run, no big issues and the price was right.
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Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

I would check & lube the impeller put some fresh gas in it hook up a bucket and hose and see if it run's.
Then start with the preventive or necessary maintenance, no sense putting the cart before the horse. IMO

Plus 1. I've started boats up that have been laid up for 5-6 years plus without any problems. Agree to getting it started and then take a look at what's needed and that's without doing anything to the RWP. Squirt some gas down the carb throat for a prime.


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Thanks for the inputs Paul / Pete! The PO had a new impeller (still in package from Nautique Parts) in a box in the boat so I am probably going to go ahead and put that in (that is within my skill level) and then prime it a bit and see what happens with the hose hooked up and running.. Quick check yesterday showed that the oil level was right on and oil looked good. Tranny fluid looked very good and level was right where it should be. The anticipation of how this is going to turn out is all part of the fun.
I sold my 85 awhile back and getting this 84 has just reminded me how much fun the chase, purchase, and messing around with the older (80's era is my sweet spot) CC's can be......right down to the unique smell of taking the cover off.
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I know that some may consider this to be over-kill, but oil pressure and cooling problems are 2 of the fastest ways to kill an engine. As such, I would change raw water impeller, thermostat and temperature sending unit. As for oil, you mentioned an oil change. I like the higher flow oil filters -- particularly the K&N. I would also change trans fluid as peace-of-mind. If you don't know when the carb was last rebuilt, that may be a good project to consider. A carb re-build is not expensive and is not very difficult to do.    Cheap insurance in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Jonny Quest Jonny Quest wrote:

I know that some may consider this to be over-kill, but oil pressure and cooling problems are 2 of the fastest ways to kill an engine. As such, I would change raw water impeller, thermostat and temperature sending unit. As for oil, you mentioned an oil change. I like the higher flow oil filters -- particularly the K&N. I would also change trans fluid as peace-of-mind. If you don't know when the carb was last rebuilt, that may be a good project to consider. A carb re-build is not expensive and is not very difficult to do.    Cheap insurance in my opinion.JQ


You are correct: Over kill
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Gun Driver advised new gasoline. Great advice. Old gas can make your valves stick in your cyl heads. Then you face engine overhaul or at least a valve job.
Today’s fuel is safe for maybe 6-7 mos. If older than that dump it.
If your tank is only 1/4 full today you could probably fill it with premium gas drive a little on the trailer to mix it up and be ok but fresh gas is needed to avoid problems.
WE NEED PICTURES!!!   It should be easy to get this boat on the water next weekend.
It is best to change your oils and adjust the hose clamps when they are warm or hot.
Stiff cold hoses don’t seal well.   Impellers are cheap and yours has been sitting two years plus it may have run before that, change it. Pictures!
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Over-kill is a symptom of BOD ( Boat Obsession Disorder). I got it bad...

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check the belts for dry rot, wear, excessive play and tighten or replaced, check the plug wires as well. check all hoses and the clamps that hold them on. When some winterize their boats, they loosen the belts to take tension off the pulleys, and raw water pump, etc, so check tension as well.
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After you run it with the fake lake, take the input hose off the transmission oil cooler and check for crap than can clog water flow through the cooler..
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Finally got some time to play with the 84 this weekend. Put the new numbers on, changed the oil, filter, impeller, new battery and T stats as those items are within my skill level. Went to fire it up and....................turned over but will not fire. Had spark at all the plugs, gas going into the carb when the throttle was pumped (poured gas in the carb before initially turning over. Condition reminded me of a lanyard off type situation that I have experienced with my newer Nautiques. I remember the 85 I had, and sold, had a master power fuse but did not see anything like that on the dash. There was a switch below the Nav switch (pic enclosed) that I could not figure out what it was for. Brochure here on the site did not help me. I got frustrated and called it quits. I am very week when it comes to mechanical troubleshooting and will not pretend otherwise thus would appreciate any / all inputs from the regulars on the forum. as to what I should try next.
Besides the boat not starting it was fun crawling around and messing with it, cleaning it up etc.... The garage in front of the house out on the street was a bit warm at times but not complaining about good weather. For the most part the boat and trailer are all there so it should be fun to play with for a bit (after I get it running) before deciding next steps.
I did take a few pics so I would not catch flack from you guys but I am still working on zipping them down to size to get them posted............will keep trying.
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Safety kill-switch lanyard in place? You'd be surprised how many times this has confounded folks...

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JQ I have been burned by that (lanyard off) on my 05 before so can relate. I do not see anything like a lanyard on the 84 though. Puzzled as to what that switch below the Nav switch is........see first pic above.
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Originally posted by burban65 burban65 wrote:

   Puzzled as to what that switch below the Nav switch is........see first pic above.




That second switch down is the infamous unlabeled spare switch that feeds...............nothing.

It's come up numerous times here on CCF

It comes from the factory with a hot feed into it and no wire on the outlet so you could use it for whatever you wanted or just leave it as is.

A dive under the dash would tell you if a PO used it for anything
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If there was a lanyard or anything resembling a lanyard, it's function is to kill the spark by interrupting power to the coil. (Different from a fuel injected boat that might kill power to the fuel pumps instead) This isn't your problem, since you have spark at all the plugs and there's not a lanyard anyways.

Not being there, I'd guess that maybe you didn't pour enough gas down the carb throat to prime it or..........maybe too much and it was flooded.

If it ran at the end of 2018 and you're getting spark it should at least start.

I'd turn the key in the morning and see what happens. If it doesn't start, pump the throttle a couple of times and try again.

I won't ask a silly question like did the PO tell you it had a brand spankin' new starter or anything like that

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Thanks for the feedback Ken!
I think I need to put more gas down the carb as I was pretty lenient the first time. I did not even get a slight pop of any kind.
I am optimistic that my next round of playing with the boat (probably not until this coming 4th weekend) will go better.
And thanks for the info on that switch!
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When you checked the plugs for spark, were any of them wet with fuel?

When you go to try it, don't pour gas down the carb first, in fact if your accelerator pumps are working, and you said you saw them squirting gas when you pumped the throttle, then you shouldn't need to pour any gas in. Pump the throttle a few times, turn the key and see what happens. Good luck!
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Which direction is the engine cranking?


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David - no wet plugs
Peter - embarrassed to say but will admit I can't answer the question as to direction the engine was cranking
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Peter - embarrassed to say but will admit I can't answer the question as to direction the engine was cranking

Ken hinted on the rotation:
Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

I won't ask a silly question like did the PO tell you it had a brand spankin' new starter or anything like that


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Pete..........Noted on your input and Ken's hint. Will update the group when I revisit later this week.
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