R U thinking of a new tundra

Ive been to Mexico many many times, not the Mexico everybody is thinking about, I really dont mind Mexicans building cars, ive worked side by side with them and they worked as hard as i did the only difference was the pay and they went home to dirt floors, no TV's,
I cant say they are stealing our jobs. Mexico is in the labor supplying business not the automotive business, Labor and costs are a new ball game down there.
this i believe is the only way we can compete for keeping the cars resonably priced, they are sub contractors. I think your bosses would prefer all the parts be built here and assembled here but as you mentioned all the costs ford is seeing. People are living longer which means Ford is still dishing out on alot of these guys that live to see thier golden years. 26% of all US cars sold go to employees benefits and retirements, The Japs are not seeing any of these costs..... yet, but they are still demanding the same money or more for the cars so maybe the American consumer is being gouged....nice angle i would say.
I have a 1999 LHS with 179000 miles, I have a 1997 Dodge 1500 with 198000 miles my partner (brother) has a 1998 Dodge 1500 with 152000 miles, 1999 Chevy s-10 124000 miles and besides basic maintanance they have been good to me, I wont mention the 2 POS Volkswagons. I really dont hear people talking anymore about what a POS thier american car is anymore.
I one time in the 80's i would of said our cars are built like sh*t and maybe the big three was trying to pass the junk on. but now i really believe they are trying to turn things around such as the mexican thing and Canadian thing, you will find our products that we manufacture in thier driveways and as i said in my earlier post look in a Asians drive, hopefully i was politically correct

eric lavine wrote: if your thinking about buying a honda accord go look at the ford fusion, we have one here and its a great looking car, i wonder what the pricing is compared to the sushi delivery car, I am thinking about buying one for the wife, does anyone have one?

We have an 06 sushi deliver...I mean Accord, and my buddy bought an 06 Fusion at about the same time. The Fusion is definitely a nice car....way nicer than I would have thought after being in a couple of rented Tauruses (Tauri?). I hate the tailights, but other than that, I think Ford did a nice job. My only hesitation would be the resale.

BTW.....we tow the SNOB with an 02 Explorer, so hopefully I won't be viewed as "anti-american".

Rob

I meant to add to the above, "very funny, nice work Rob"

just at the dodge dealership yesterday...not really in the market for a new truck but these guys got me thinking now..brand new dodge ram 1500 quad cab 4x4 wit hthe 5.7 l hemi, 20" chrome rms low pro tires all the bells and whistles..sticker was 36-37 grand...after finally setting down with these guys im convinced..finally price with zero down no trade in..24,995...thats a hell of deal on a badass truck..now i just gotta convince my wife..find me a tundra for that same dollar and the same truck...you wont, foreign trucks (i said trucks) are wayyyyyyyy overpriced..they cant touch DOMESTIC trucks and never will!!!!!!!!

im sure(could be wrong) there are much more dodges fords and chevys made than toyotas izuzus nissans..that may have something to do with it?..also right now hardly any big trucks or suvs are moving...costs dealership a lot of money to let these trucks sit on the lot..i would never buy a foreign truck let alone would not buy one without good incentitives..all the big three offer them at some point during the year..why would someone in their right mind pay 36k for a nissan or toyota when you can get a bigger better truck for much cheaper price?...menatlaity that foreign is better!?

Hey Mike, you remember correctly, I have a '96 F-150 with 160k on it. It is the third one I have had. Before the trucks I had 3 Broncos, all over 100k. No trouble on any of them. Lots of travling and boat towing. Just gotta remember to change the oil once-in-a-while.

I do enjoy these American vs Japanese, Harley vs Jap bike, Correct Craft vs all the rest discussions. We all just gotta remember to respect each others view point. And listen to BKH too, he's always got "nuthin' but the facts".

john

Brian; You knew the correct year of the start of the Taurus model, BFN didn't and he is a Ford employee. Also you always have level-headed comments whenever this well-worn topic comes up.

I know you ain't easy to lose.

john

   Oh,wanted to say one more thing regarding fords.I have never been a ford fan,always grew up in Chevys.I would rather own a Dodge than a Ford(which admittedly,is very sad).
Last spring my wife went shopping for a "summer car".She came home with a brand new 06 Mustang Gt.I wanted to slap her(not really,but you know what I mean).I told her she had to park it across the street at her sisters house.I broke down and drove it one day and I was amazed.It has to be one of the nicest performance vehicles I have driven.It has all kinds of power,handles like it's on rails,has zero road noise(onheard of for a ragtop)and the fit and finish is top notch.Quite an impressive car.I still have not told her that I like it

    Mike

Wouldn't it be so much easier if we had boobs on our chest and bought cars based on cupholders and color?

My '99 Mercury Mountaineer has 141,000K miles. Besides scheduled tune-ups and stuff, I only had to fix a ball joint, four cracked windshields and broken side view mirror from clowning around at Gillette Stadium.


Ken

maybe you shoulda bought a jap boat..

I guess I should ask you this then, MY latest aquirement is a 95 escort 229K on the clock. The original clutch was changed at 219k. Its an american car, no problems. Got it from my buddy and he bought it with 60k on it. Always need a work car, no one at work pays attention. So beaters to drive to work are great.

One thing about imports there metal quality sucks why is that. Most 10 year old cars tend to rust some. But it would seem the imports rust out faster. My have something to do with living in the rust belt? Just my opinion from day to day abservations while driving on the road.

I too had good luck with mid nineties escorts, had three all were still running well into the mid 200000s before I drove what was left of them after the new york salt got them to the junk yard. The later 90's escorts however with the dual over head cam engines warp heads like it was thier job, you dont used replacements too easy because of that...

you cant generalize this stuff

JoeinNY wrote: you cant generalize this stuff

Thank you, enough of the Ford (domestic, blah blah whatever) drum beating already.

87BFN owner wrote: One thing about imports there metal quality sucks why is that. Most 10 year old cars tend to rust some. But it would seem the imports rust out faster. My have something to do with living in the rust belt? Just my opinion from day to day abservations while driving on the road.

10 years ago I would agree with this statement. Not anymore. My nine year old Tacoma which has been driven every winter in NE Ohio does not have one spot of rust. Open your eyes and look around, vehicles domestic and foreign don't rust like they used to.