first outing and find birds in engine

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   Well, it only took me 2 months to find the time and clear weather to work on the boat again.  Also, because we wanted to use it.  Anyway, I ran the engine with the raw water pump removed and everything was quiet.  What I did notice was that there was an excess amount of belt dust on the engine and bilge.  So, I inspected the belt and it looke a bit worse for wear, but not terrible.  I reassembled the raw water pump and bolted it on.  Presto, the noise was gone.

My theory is that the belt must have rolled over in the pulley grove.  Used the boat for a couple of hours without any unusual noise.  Just wanted to put an ending to the thread.

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David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: first outing and find birds in engine Posted: August-14-2007 at 11:43am
	Well, it only took me 2 months to find the time and clear weather to work on the boat again. Also, because we wanted to use it. Anyway, I ran the engine with the raw water pump removed and everything was quiet. What I did notice was that there was an excess amount of belt dust on the engine and bilge. So, I inspected the belt and it looke a bit worse for wear, but not terrible. I reassembled the raw water pump and bolted it on. Presto, the noise was gone. My theory is that the belt must have rolled over in the pulley grove. Used the boat for a couple of hours without any unusual noise. Just wanted to put an ending to the thread.

David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-13-2007 at 9:14am
	Yep, that method works well and I already have an automotive stethascope. Still have not investigated further. If the noise is still present with the raw water pump removed I will use the stethascope to pinpoint the location.

Barracuda Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: November-17-2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 998	Post Options Post Reply Quote Barracuda Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-13-2007 at 8:10am
	David- this may sounds kinda funny, but I've used the stethascope method to locate pesky noises before. You can improvise one with a piece of hose and just hold it up to your ear. Then take the other end around all the areas you suspect- may help pinpoint where the noise is orignating from. Good luck -Brad
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David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-12-2007 at 9:00am
	I don't doubt that at all. Hopefully mine is obvious once I zero in on it. Now, I just need to find the time.

JoeinNY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grand Poobah Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5696	Post Options Post Reply Quote JoeinNY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-12-2007 at 8:47am
	Don't be surprised if you cant tell its the alternator just by spinning it by hand, I just pulled one last night thats squealing at low rpms and seizing and slipping at high rpms and you would never know it spin it by hand.
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David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-12-2007 at 8:21am
	Yep, very well could be. I did not get a chance to work on it last night. The raw water pump just spins too well. I am leaning toward the alternator. I may be able to tell just by spinning by hand. I let you know what I find.

Tim D Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grand Poobah Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim D Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-11-2007 at 5:50pm
	Alternator bearing?
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David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-11-2007 at 4:25pm
	Nope, no way. If that were the case, noise would not be present in neutral...it is.

woodyelc Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February-17-2004 Location: orlando Status: Offline Points: 376	Post Options Post Reply Quote woodyelc Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-11-2007 at 4:10pm
	SOUNDS LIKE DRY PACKING IN THE STUFFING BOX, CHANGE IT OUT AND THE NOISE SHOULD GO AWAY
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David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-11-2007 at 10:28am
	No, the pump alignment was good and the belt was tight enough. Like I said, it was not a belt noise. Without a screwdriver or other listening device, I could only listen for the location of the noise and I thought it was the raw water pump, but noise location can be deceiving. This evening, I am going to fire the engine up without the Raw water pump installed and see if the noise is gone.

M3Fan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grand Poobah Joined: October-22-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3185	Post Options Post Reply Quote M3Fan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-11-2007 at 10:21am
	Have you dialed in the general location of the noise?
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TRBenj Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grand Poobah Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21133	Post Options Post Reply Quote TRBenj Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-11-2007 at 9:34am
	Did the RWP alignment look ok? Maybe if it was a cocked a little, it would cause some uneven load on the bearing. I assume you checked the belt tension (both belts)?

David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June-11-2007 at 9:27am
	Well, after carefully winterizing a perfectly running (and quiet) engine last fall, I awaken it to find a nest of birds settled in. 30 seconds after starting her up (yes in the lake) for the first time, a failing bearing type squeal set in. Other than being noisey, it did not ruin our day, but I kept a close eye on the gauges...everything stayed normal. My immediate thought was the raw water pump (that spent the winter on a warm shelf). So when I returned home yesterday evening, I pull the pump and tore it down. To my surprise, the bearing rotated freely and did not seem to drag or have any axial or radial play. Hmmm, maybe the noise is the circulation pump or alternator. Something I will check out this evening. Or, maybe the raw water pump bearing will squeal even though it "feels" fine. Any thoughts? PS: The noise is not a belt noise.

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