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    Posted: March-28-2008 at 4:17am
Originally posted by boat dr boat dr wrote:

Chris, watch the OFF TOPICS section.....
I heard thru the grape vine there will be a show and tell ...........
Professional attention to detail or half fast.....
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And I sign this Billy Sutton/The Boat Doctor


This is childish and absolutely doesn't belong here. Handle personal things personally. Eric has helped many here and I will back him! Out of your own mouth to me..."Eric be the man!"



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Well, well, well....I am away on business for a few days, and come back to this. Its like the food fight scene from "Animal House".

As stated, or implied....I do not want to tear the floor and stringers out at this particular time. Of course I realize that this is the only sure-fire permanent fix. But, thats not what I was asking about. Not sure its even necessary. I personally think the stringers are still decent. Not perfect perhaps.... but decent and usable for a year or two, or five.

Once I get the time to do the fix on the lags, I will let you all know how it turns out. I am leaning toward the epoxy filler and new lags. I just want to hold the engine in place better than it may be held as is in the current state.

Thanks again for all the great ideas for a "short term fix". Its great to have a site like this to bounce ideas around.

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John, I keep trying to take the high road and this is getting really embarrassing, but i have a feeling it aint the end
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You guys have got to give it a rest. All three of you know I like each one of you and will not take sides here but...this has gone on to long.

Let's beware of posting stuff that will only hurt another member on here.

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and for this very reason i too have pictures of every step and finished product, dealt with your types for many years
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round 3
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Well Billy just be carefull of the whiners.
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Chris, watch the OFF TOPICS section.....
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safe effective, bore a horz hole, in rotten wood then expect a nut and bolt to hold and your in the business, guess business of what? returned customers, repeat business, more expensive repairs, causing more expensive repairs for repeat business maybe would be best?


just do not see the logic and practicallity in this, so cripe some more,... I guess this is as tame as I can get.
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he could substitute the special machined bushing with a nut and washer in the cross drilled hole, upper end boats use this method to hold the engines in, in this case until he decides to repair the stringers, this is a very safe and effective repair.

this would mean he needs a drill and a crescent wrench
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

So we're basically back to Pete's first suggestion.

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:



One of these bits and about a foot of threaded rod should be long enough to get through the bottom of the boat. To reduce the drag, try a acorn nut on the bottom.


almost, horizontal drilling instead of vertical drilling but again "keep it original" so to maintain originality drilling straight down into the hull is required.
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So we're basically back to Pete's first suggestion.

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:



One of these bits and about a foot of threaded rod should be long enough to get through the bottom of the boat. To reduce the drag, try a acorn nut on the bottom.
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the other thing about that is the glass over the stringer has to be in good shape, because if it is cracked then it's just going to crack more and pull through.
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Red Green says "if the wimen don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy".
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So now the guys not very handy and you want him to machine a special piece to run through the rotted stringer. Good theroy if you had the tools to make the pieces for it to be applied in the practical world.
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Eric, I wasn't implying that your methods were half assed. I was implying that mine are. In the case of my loose lag bolts, I'm not going to worry about it until I see or hear something that tells me it's time to get serious about it. That idea with the bushings would probably get me by for another 20 years.
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

my first post got deleted and i gave professional and a very safe method of fixing the problem he had as i always do,



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That was the post I remembered, in fact when I came back to this posting to read it again and noticed that it was gone. I also thought that was a really good idea.
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my first post got deleted and i gave professional and a very safe method of fixing the problem he had as i always do,


my advice if anyone remembers last week before the 10 posts got deleted was to cross drill into the stringers and install whats called a threaded barrel out of bronze, then you drill down to the barrel vertically and run a bolt to the barrel, not a lag bolt, a bolt with threads which will thread into the barrel and bolt the mount as tight as you care to put it, if this is not a safe repair 79 then you come up with a safer one and dont go there with replacing the stringers cause this guy aint gonna do it, the next safest method would be (if you are a professional you have done this in the past) is to try to find new wood and this can be achieved by turning the mounts or angling the lag bolt.

now, im trying to write this so you understand, if i told the guy hey just run it the way it that it is and that it would be safe then i can see you having a problem with that

but once again i didnt
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Dave, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"!!

Just pour some epoxy down the hole let it cure and install the lag.

You MUST keep in mind this is only a temporary fix.


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there is nothing for a new bolt to bite into so it has to be fixed some how before you can put the bolt back in so is it smart to say angle it or do nothing? IMHO no it's not. It needs address and not causually over looked or with some half shot idea because.

So it needs dried out regardless, then if you want to patch with a band aid fine, add some rot doc, let it cure then add some sawdust or epoxy to fill the hole and then install the lag. You have to have a means for it to bite and hold to the stringer and water logged rotting wood doesn't stick to ***************, epoxy or anything else literly. What sticks to water? stink maybe?

It does you no good to pour epoxy, matches or any other half aced idea if there isn't any wood for it to stick too. All your going to do is retain the bolt to the mount and not to the structure of the hull and stringers so you might as well not do anything and that's still wrong, because your just going to tear more stuff up and cost you more than if you just would have fixed it the first time.

so to answer the question no there isn't a quick fix, there are some band aids that take some time but there not as long as replacing the stringer but the fix is the stringers need replaced along with the wet foam and soft deck.
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Originally posted by riley riley wrote:

There's long term fixes and short term fixes. Nothing wrong with people offering short term fixes, (even though they maybe half ass), because that is often what's needed to go another summer and the long term fix isn't doable.

Well said Riley. It's not like the original post stated that all mounting bolts were stripped. As I recall he said the rear port side engine mount lags are stripped out. Under his circumstances I wouldn't call it half a$$ed.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Definitely a lot of personal attacks lately and it reflects badly on everyone.

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and attacking them. If you refer to someones age, weight, IQ, work ethic, area of the country, mother, choice of engine manufacter, call them a name other than the thier screen name or the one god gave them then it is an attack and its got no place here, particularily on someone elses thread.

If someone has a legitimate beef with another member over a business deal and they feel it would benefit the community to hear about it please start your own thread and the moderators will decide whether it has merit or should be deleted. This type of stuff takes food off Keith's table by chasing away members and ultimately advertisers and I know nobody wants that.

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Definitely a lot of personal attacks lately and it reflects badly on everyone.

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and attacking them. If you refer to someones age, weight, IQ, work ethic, area of the country, mother, choice of engine manufacter, call them a name other than the thier screen name or the one god gave them then it is an attack and its got no place here, particularily on someone elses thread.

If someone has a legitimate beef with another member over a business deal and they feel it would benefit the community to hear about it please start your own thread and the moderators will decide whether it has merit or should be deleted. This type of stuff takes food off Keith's table by chasing away members and ultimately advertisers and I know nobody wants that.

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I'm just going by what I have read in his postings.
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Which is why I haven't posted anything about it, because I don't know the whole story. Not sure why anyone else feels the need to chime in about it though. I'm not choosing sides, it doesn't concern me, just trying to keep the dogs off Eric's back.
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Small thread jack.

Hollywood remember you only have one side of that story as well. I will not mess another members thread, agin other then to say I will post the full story on that boat from the beginning with pics to help explain.
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Good post Hollywood. Hammering on people does reflect badly on the site, as well as stresses the regulars out.

There's long term fixes and short term fixes. Nothing wrong with people offering short term fixes, (even though they maybe half ass), because that is often what's needed to go another summer and the long term fix isn't doable.

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The original poster was ASKING for half assed repair suggestions, and he got a few. Trolling around slamming fellow members also reflects badly upon this site.

Obviously this stems from one particular boat, remember there are 3 sides to every story... I think Eric still has a 99% approval rating.
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Chris, I don't think he made much on me if any. I did have a bill and it wasn't 50 bucks, but my trans had been around the block and was a mess...more than 1 fuid used, leak sealer etc. Now I'm not admitting to doing all of that, but it was done.

In the end, I feel like he treated me well and even tolerated some impatient calls 'cause I wanted to be back in the water by the 4th of July.

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