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Bhedbloom 
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 Topic: 440, 454, or 460?Posted: March-24-2008 at 11:18pm |
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I wanted to get a weigh in on this one?
Which engine should I use to repower my 1968 San Juan? I'm pulling the tired 318 
The Chrysler 440 which was an option in that boat? The Crusader 454 which I have read is easy to get parts for? The Ford 460 which I hear is very reliable like the 351 used for many years? I would like some opinions from some of the engine gurus on the site! I have found all of the engines above for sale at about the same price, but am having a tough time deciding which power plant to use. Thanks for any and all replies! |
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 12:32am |
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I'm no engine guru but I would stay with the Mopar. Probably not the strongest engine but closest to stock. Farmer |
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MaddMarxx
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 1:26am |
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what compnay do you like the best? But I guess I would go with the 454 first because there are more parts out there for it, and second choice would be the chrylser!
But Farmer does make a good point about sticking with the same brand! |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 8:55am |
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440 - Original!!
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eric lavine
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 9:57am |
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454, original would have to be a 318, the build sheet would still say 318 if though the 440 may of been an option
how much does originality affect these boat prices? |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 12:36pm |
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I was just looking at engines on marineengine.com and saw this listing for a pair of big block Chryslers. The seller is stating that when the 440 was stopped being made that they used the Ford 460. Have I missed something? Did they use the 460?
Chryslers on marineengine.com |
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JoeinNY
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 1:21pm |
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There are actually more performance marine parts available for the 460 fords than for the windsors. Chrysler sounds expensive, chevy sounds like your doing what every one else is doing (of course sometimes everyone else has a point). Personally I would put in whatever I found the best deal on (including mounts, bell housing, accs etc that stuff will nickel and dime you up into big $$$) and put the rest into gas.
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phatsat67
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 3:10pm |
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All the internal go fast parts for the chrysler and intake stuff isnt really expensive at all. A good set of 915 casting heads and 9.0 to 1 ish compression with a good cam and intake maybe some ported manifolds or hi teks and it would be easy to get well over 400 ponies out of a 440:) but then again im a mopar nut and mopar boats get me all juiced up.
But, I agree with Joe all good choices but the best deal would probably be a good choice unless you have plenty of $$$. You could just build a nasty little 340 and not have to change anything other than the engine. Probably the most cost effective route. |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 3:24pm |
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I went back in to the marineengine.com site and looked in the manual section. The 460 block was bugging me!! Sure enough, they do list a Chrysler marine 460 in 1986 and 87 so I'll assume it was the Ford. I believe that those years were the very tail end of the Chrysler marine engine. |
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 4:59pm |
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I think your right on for the year pete. When my grandpa had his trailer sales back then right between those years I think 88 models motor homes were the last year with the chrysler 440.
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nautique frk
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Posted: March-25-2008 at 9:45pm |
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I would build a 454 chevy make it a 468. Regular parts and performance parts for Chevy is much easier to find an less expensive too.
I am a Ford guy but in a case like this I would build a strong big block chevy. Mike |
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 10:58am |
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Don't listen to Mike, afterall he's a freak.
Listen to Joe, who'd rather paddle with a 460 valve cover than run it with a 454, and I agree. But Joe's actual advice I really do agree with as far as the going with the best price for the OVERALL/COMPLETE package. Zup Tennessee Mike? Call me sometime. |
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 12:27pm |
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I (bowtie) am going (bowtie) to stay (bowtie) neutral on(bowtie) this one(bowtie). In the past(bowtie) I would have (bowtie) given you(bowtie) my opinion(bowtie),but really (bowtie) dont want to (bowtie) confuse the issue(bowtie).
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 12:41pm |
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Damn it. I just posted the reidp bowtie picture in another thread, this thread would is perfect for it but don't want to wear it out.
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 1:22pm |
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Is it really worth it to replace the existing engine with a big block? How much additional performance are you going to get? How much is it going to cost? And how much are you going to run that boat hard? Seems like that boat is a nice putting boat or maybe cruising somewhere in the 20's type of boat. Maybe a rebuild of the 318 is a good way to go.
But, to answer your question, I'd go the least expensive way. |
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 1:29pm |
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LMAO! |
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Riley
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 1:59pm |
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Steve, does this mean that there is a Barracuda with a Chevy engine somewhere in the future? |
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 2:53pm |
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Bruce,
Man, I'm torn....Ive got that brand new 350 Crusader engine/trans ,in my garage,still bolted to the original shipping crate,just waiting for a trans-plant. (Put it in and go forever) BUT, even I am having a hard time with a non-original engine in that 'cuda. ..... Moj' found out that there were 6 or 7 SS models built that year. Soooo, what to do? (Pete should be proud, Im talking this way!?) |
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Riley
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 3:17pm |
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Steve, I don't think it matters if the engine is original, especially if you've got the original engine available for future use. I'm all for keeping the boat as original as possible, but I don't see engines mods as such a big deal. Is the Crusader a RH? And is it a Vortec? I've got a Vortec Indmar 310 in my 03 Malibu Sporster and it screams. Jeff Costis put a PCM Vortec in his 73 Mustang and screams. You got to do a lot or work on a Ford to make it run like one of those out of the box Vortecs.
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 3:54pm |
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Yeah, its a complete Vortec 300 horse with a velvet behind...and it even runs "bacerds"..just like I need! Heres a pic..
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Riley
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 4:05pm |
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It runs bacerds? Then it's a no brainer, USE IT. I bet that boat will run 55 mph with that engine.
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 4:26pm |
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Hey Steve,
How would you describe the color on that there engine, Ford Blue? Trying to remember but I think the SBC in my 80' was gold, the 206 SBC is Black. |
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 9:01pm |
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Not seeing this. Late model PCM GT40s run just fine with the Chevy's even though they rate 20 less horsepower. BKH |
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Posted: March-26-2008 at 11:10pm |
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Reid,
How bout a stroker 351 ??? Light weight good torque ? I will give you a call. I am currently in Minnesota (Forest Lake, Nisswa, Detroit lakes) and Fargo ND Makeing some rounds before season hits. Mike |
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Posted: March-27-2008 at 12:42am |
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Chris, I couldnt tell you... Ive never had a Ford to compare it with.. kinda baby/sky blue...for now. If I did use the Crusader in the cuda, would probably repaint it and use old style valve covers, etc. |
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Posted: March-27-2008 at 2:49am |
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There you go with those "urges" again. There is medication to help your problem. john |
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Posted: March-27-2008 at 9:27pm |
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I echo that Brian! I was previously thinking that Bruce really knew his stuff. I guess I'm gonna have to school him over a lobster and a beer or 20 at the NE Reunion. If only I was bringing a boat.......... |
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Posted: March-27-2008 at 9:40pm |
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Mike, Great idea about that engine, but JoeNY already beat us to it. And BoatDr has the 302 stroker covered. So how about a stroked 460! Have fun in the great white north. |
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Posted: March-27-2008 at 9:56pm |
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Reid, I looked forward to being schooled over some bugs and a beer or 20. Come to think of it, Steve Workman ought to keep that Barracuda original and sell me the Crusader wicked cheap. Wouldn't the Boat Dr die if I walked right by his American Skier with that plain Jane Crusader.
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Posted: March-28-2008 at 12:26am |
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Bruce, I'll keep that in mind, but that Crusader probably aint goin nowhere.. 
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