Michigan Ballot Proposals 2012

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   Not sure about other states, but it seems collective bargaining is a big issue this November.  Here are the six issues coming up for us in MI and my .02 on each.  Note: No offense to those in unions.  I know we have a bunch here that are.

Prop 1 - A REFERENDUM ON PUBLIC ACT 4 OF 2011 – THE EMERGENCY MANAGER LAW
   Basically gives state the power to run local governments when they fail (Detroit).  Not really much new here, seems logical.

Prop 2 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION REGARDING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
    Lots of tricky wording in this one, but basically overturns some recent laws limiting collective bargaining.  Admittedly, I am not from a union family or company, so I don't understand the mentality, but in my job, I have no grantees.  If I do poorly, I will get fired and that is the way I think it should be.  IMO, unions are outdated.  Something that was necessary years ago, but not anymore and are more about money and power than anything.

Prop 3 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO ESTABLISH A STANDARD FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY
    Says that 25% of energy (electricity mostly I think) comes from renewable sources by 2025.  It also states that energy prices can not go up by more than 1%/yr to cover cost of renewable infrastructure. It also requires the state enact laws to use Michigan companies to build the infrastructure.  Seems like a decent plan.  I will pay the 1%.

Prop 4 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO ESTABLISH THE MICHIGAN QUALITY HOME CARE COUNCIL AND PROVIDE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
FOR IN-HOME CARE WORKERS
     Pretty mush the same as Prop 2...

Prop 5 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO LIMIT THE ENACTMENT OF NEW TAXES BY STATE GOVERNMENT
     This prop requires a super majority to raise any taxes in MI (2/3 both houses), or a statewide vote in a Nov election.  Kind of wish washy on this one.  Would be interested to hear what other think.  I am against raising any taxes, but also realize that if we want more fire fighters, police, etc, someone has to pay for them.

Prop 6 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION REGARDING CONSTRUCTION OF INTERNATIONAL BRIDGES AND TUNNELS
     This one requires a statewide vote before any bridge or tunnel project (international) can even be considered.  This is the biggest scam of all the props.  This made it on the ballot because of one family and all TV commercials supporting this prop are funded by one family.  This family just so happens to own the only bridge currently connecting Detroit and Windsor.  Canada has agreed to pay for 100% of the construction of a new bridge.  Everything is in place and ready to go for it.  The federal government is even paying for the customs and toll booths.  The state of MI literally pays zero dollars.  We can still hire the same number of teachers and police and fire fighters we could without the bridge (ad claims we would be wasting money on the bridge).

What are you other MI guys thoughts on these?  Election is coming up soon!

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azeus17 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: August-19-2007 Location: Grand Rapids, M Status: Offline Points: 576	Post Options Post Reply Quote azeus17 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Michigan Ballot Proposals 2012 Posted: September-28-2012 at 2:15pm
	Not sure about other states, but it seems collective bargaining is a big issue this November. Here are the six issues coming up for us in MI and my .02 on each. Note: No offense to those in unions. I know we have a bunch here that are. Prop 1 - A REFERENDUM ON PUBLIC ACT 4 OF 2011 – THE EMERGENCY MANAGER LAW Basically gives state the power to run local governments when they fail (Detroit). Not really much new here, seems logical. Prop 2 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION REGARDING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING Lots of tricky wording in this one, but basically overturns some recent laws limiting collective bargaining. Admittedly, I am not from a union family or company, so I don't understand the mentality, but in my job, I have no grantees. If I do poorly, I will get fired and that is the way I think it should be. IMO, unions are outdated. Something that was necessary years ago, but not anymore and are more about money and power than anything. Prop 3 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO ESTABLISH A STANDARD FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY Says that 25% of energy (electricity mostly I think) comes from renewable sources by 2025. It also states that energy prices can not go up by more than 1%/yr to cover cost of renewable infrastructure. It also requires the state enact laws to use Michigan companies to build the infrastructure. Seems like a decent plan. I will pay the 1%. Prop 4 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO ESTABLISH THE MICHIGAN QUALITY HOME CARE COUNCIL AND PROVIDE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING FOR IN-HOME CARE WORKERS Pretty mush the same as Prop 2... Prop 5 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO LIMIT THE ENACTMENT OF NEW TAXES BY STATE GOVERNMENT This prop requires a super majority to raise any taxes in MI (2/3 both houses), or a statewide vote in a Nov election. Kind of wish washy on this one. Would be interested to hear what other think. I am against raising any taxes, but also realize that if we want more fire fighters, police, etc, someone has to pay for them. Prop 6 - A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION REGARDING CONSTRUCTION OF INTERNATIONAL BRIDGES AND TUNNELS This one requires a statewide vote before any bridge or tunnel project (international) can even be considered. This is the biggest scam of all the props. This made it on the ballot because of one family and all TV commercials supporting this prop are funded by one family. This family just so happens to own the only bridge currently connecting Detroit and Windsor. Canada has agreed to pay for 100% of the construction of a new bridge. Everything is in place and ready to go for it. The federal government is even paying for the customs and toll booths. The state of MI literally pays zero dollars. We can still hire the same number of teachers and police and fire fighters we could without the bridge (ad claims we would be wasting money on the bridge). What are you other MI guys thoughts on these? Election is coming up soon!
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	#4 I have no specific information about Michigan but if it is the same as Minnesota tried they are trying to unionize private day care owners, most of whom are against it. Here they tried to require anyone providing daycare that was assisted by the government to be union. The door to door campaign to get cards signed involved a hugh amount of misrepresentation. Many of the people canvasing the neighborhoods had east coast accents.(Not local). Finally our union owned governor tried to go Obama and implement it by executive order. He got bitch slapped by the Minnesota courts.
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