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    Posted: July-23-2014 at 7:16pm
I was going to wait till i finished to post up but I'm having trouble finding correct replacement decals and would prefer not to spend a weekend re-creating them if someone has already digitized them, and I figured some may chime in with a lead on that.
I haven't owned this boat for too long, When i got it i kind of liked the paint scheme but kind of didn't. I think the Bruins black and gold thing was the only thing it had going for it. So i got to looking at changing the graphics. and upon closer inspection of the red and yellow detail i noticed what was really going on.
So the previous owner had decided to decal it since his brother did vinyl graphics or whatever.
With closer inspection of the decals it was worse than i had thought.
The previous owner had clearly no knowledge of bringing back gel coat and instead of a simple wetsand compound and buff he gave up on that idea (if it was even an option in his mind) and he first decided to re-Paint the black stripe, must have gave up from getting fish-eyed to death and vinyl wrapped the whole thing from the chine up and CLEAR COATED over the vinyl. I am a fool for missing this when i bought it but shame on me, he hid it well. Now it is MY problem.
So I got to stripping the other day, and this time no-one was throwing money at me.
I dont know why i do this to myself but for some reason i cannot leave anything well enough alone.

here is where I am. Time frame for finishing this is next Saturday it HAS to be finished.

notice where the graphics are and the gelcoat is, and where i removed decals.




after sanding off some of his paint some of the old gel coat faded letter were showing through. at this point I stopped to asses my situation whether the original gel Could be saved but it was too far gone, so i proceeded to sand and disassemble.


Finished 99% of sanding at this point,

And with some heavy impending rain tonight and tomorrow i had to put this up a little earlier than planned.
This is what will become my ghetto white trash spray booth.


Also I will not be painting under the chine for now, that will be a winter project i think. along with the interior finishes.
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don't even know what to say...

someone needs dropkicked!
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Why can't the gel be saved? And you're going to paint it? Oof.
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What is it with people painting BFN's in New England. Don't do it unless the gel was completely sanded thru to bare glass. Heres mine when I bought it 2 years ago now. I call if fishing boat chic. White painted hull, plywood engine cover, pedestal front seats, missing rear seat, cracked block, generally a disaster.



I was expecting some major hull damage that required a PO to paint it, but there wasn't any. Took me most of last year to get the paint off of it, buff it out and get new windshield glass installed, working on it here and there. Still needs some floor work, the engine and transmission pulled, and the interior reupholstered but at least it looks like a ski boat again, and there's no paint on it.




Don't paint it if you can possibly avoid it.
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There were some spots where the red glass was showing through, I do not feel that bringing back the gel would have been a 100% job and i would not have been satisfied with what was there.
I understand some of the guys on here are not going to approve of this, and may not like it, I personally do not see a huge issue with painting this vessel i don't think it has anything to do with my being in new england though. ha
I feel that by painting it i'm neither increasing nor decreasing value of the boat. if someone wanted to buy an untouched, stock BFN this would never have been the boat they were looking for even if i saved the gel, If someone was looking for a nice looking boat with a big block and a new interior etc etc, at the end of the day; this is going to be that boat.
I personally cannot go spending 30K on a lake boat, but i can easily spend 5K on a boat and a couple grand worth of upgrading creature comforts and cosmetics and be much happier with my money saved, and enjoy my time on the water.
Mark do you have any pictures of your BFN straight on from the side? I'm looking for good photos of original graphics straight on so i may digitize them and get the sizing correct.
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I mentioned New England, cause I'm out by Worcester, and bought it out of RI.

My decals are stock 88 decals (the boat is an 87 but the 87 ones are ugly and don't fill the stipe area nearly enough in my opinion - so I'm not in the original crowd) and you can still buy them. Zak at N3 (he's on this site) can get them for you. They are made up of white squares of varing sizes and would be extremely difficult to make off a photo. They look like this on the inside of the lettering. The 89s and later BFNs have a different style font.

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yes, so i'm coming to find out that these are going to be a pain to re-create, but if i have to i will, I don't want just any graphics, I know its not going to BE stock but i want it to look fairly era correct when it is finished.
I think zak is the guy i PMed on here about the decals but i haven't really heard back about getting them done or not. I'll have to try giving a call i guess.

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These were some of the spots i had to fix, I ground out all of the polyester filler that the PO had used and used west system and 406 additive to fill all of the damaged areas, and then went over with some 410.
Bow damage


Chine damage



There were a few spots like this in the black when the paint peeled off.


you can also see the bottom in some of these pictures, that was painted too, has pretty bad orange peel as well as the paint itself is coming off from lack of prep.
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Is that an Ivory colored lower hull like mine is, or is that the paint color used?
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it appears ivory, but underneath it is the same color as the rest of the hull(grey) the paint either faded, stained, or was an off-white/ivory.
the spots where the trailer bunks hit it took off the paint and it is grey.
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What color is it going to be? I've only seen one other 87 grey amd black hulled BFN. Has to be a pretty uncommon color combination.
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You could have touched up those spots with gelcoat. It is not too late if you have not painted it already. I think you might be shocked what can be saved. Do a small spot for your own knowledge/education, maybe just a square foot somewhere.

Wet sand with 800, 1000 and then maybe even some 1500 or 2000. Just get those sanding marks off. Then get a buffing tool and some 3M rubbing compound. Work that over the area. Then some 3M Finness-it with your buffing tool. Finally put a bit of 3M wax on there.

Now stand back and look at it. Post a picture here. It will glisten and it is a very tough finish. Much more so than paint will ever be for a marine application. There is a reason manufacturers don't paint boats.

Finally, the areas where you have gotten down to the fiberglass are not a problem. Buy some gelcoat from Spectrum Color. They have your boat's OEM color in their system and you can touch up that area:

Down to the fiberglass:



With new gel applied and sanded:

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I understand what your saying but no matter how rare the colors are or whatever options it has, this boat is still never going to become a high price item. i look at what they are selling for fully restored and use that as a basis for what i should and shouldn't do to it. in reality financially it probably doesn't make sense to paint it but I want something i'm going to be happy with at the end and not something that looks like its been fixed all over.
I also have to disagree about paint not having the same integrity as gelcoat, marine application or not. While both are good finishes and have their bad qualities they both have their good qualities too. all
I have been taking care of two boats owned by two friends which came out of the same mold in 2004. these boats are commercially fished and worked hard.
They are 37' Duffy hulls one is gel coat deep blue, and the one is awlgrip deep blue.
The boat that is painted still looks brand new today. it has had gaff wounds in the side, scratches from dealing with sharks off the side of the cockpit, and a mako bite mark in the stern. all but the bite mark per request, have been fixed 100%. and it takes me about 10 hours to detail that hull myself.
The hull that is just Gel coat takes me almost double the time and never looks as good as the awlgrip hull when it is finished.
SO, less maintenance, better look and easier to fix is what weighs on my mind.

It will be awlgrip jet black. from the chine up. planning to have the stripe detail outlined but keeping the inside black with factory lettering.
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this is the gel boat after a season in the waterand it gets a mid season wax job.

this is what it looks like when it is done. (this is a year to year basis that it needs work to look this way.


i wish i had a better picture of the painted hull but it literally looks perfect at the end of the year as far as glisten goes, only thing it usually needs is scratches fixed up before wax.
but this is a picture of the two next to each other. the one on the left is awlgrip, before a buff and wax, and the one on the right is gel after i was done.

this is out of the water end of season, hull sides not touched yet.

so don't discredit paint right away based off someone you know who attempted to roll and tip their dingy for the first time.
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That does look nice! Those are some big boats. What's the lip like at wakeboarding speeds? :)

Please post some pics of your ride when you have it complete. Painted or gelled, I'm happy to see somebody keeping a Correct Craft looking good and on the water.

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Ha i have been towed behind it. But with her 660hp cummins pushing close to 2000ftlbs of torque through the 32" wheel makes for a lot of wash up your shorts before you are planed off at riding speeds. Haha. Should try it some time.

I appreciate all the concerns about paint vs gel. And the reality is that its the same old chevy vs ford argument, its going to fall in the category of personal preference every time. But keep in mind I'm not throwing a center console on this and going striper fishing. I do plan to hold onto the integrity of the boat while giving it a newer look and feel. Stay tuned pictures to come. I will be giving N3 a call and see what i can do about getting some graphics printed up.
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Got a chance to post up some more photos, just got back from a week long vacation which i took the boat with me. had a lot of people comment asking what kind of boat it was and when i got it. One thought it was brand new and was surprised when i told them it was an '88.
still going to wetsand a few spots and haven't touched it with a buffer or anything yet. I'm going to wait till after decals before i wax.










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Bringing back an old thread here, I didn't see a need to start a new one snice it's still in keeping with the theme of the original thread.

Some saw it this summer and some didn't but after paint was done a decal job was fitted for this past season. Pictures here.





With the exterior finish done time to address some interior issues. So the motor came out this December to make room for some upgrades


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Plan for now is to strip rug, asses the stringers and fix any soft spots or weak points. Most of it seems fairly solid upon initial inspection. But I will do a better assessment once rugs out and some coring is done. Fully prepared for a full stringer job if necessary.

Also while the motors out, after almost 1500 hours on the clock I'm going to freshen that up as well. Just because.
I won't be updating this as frequent as I would like but I will try and keep it a recent as possible.
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Tony, she looks great.
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Spring is here! Any updates Tony?
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Originally posted by bwinn bwinn wrote:

Spring is here! Any updates Tony?


Yes sir.
Motor has been a semi slow process because I've just had weekends to use the machine shop. All the parts are in, need to finish honing now that the pistons are in. Started with a new block that's never seen raw water cooling before, also upgrading to a steel crank. Not necessary but it will be a peice of mind thing.
Keeping my eyes out for a set of manifolds and risers. Mine may have another season on them but that will be a game time decision once it's in place. I'll bolt them up for break in.

I'll snap some pictures this weekend once everything's gathered in one place.

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Originally posted by bwinn bwinn wrote:

Spring is here! Any updates Tony?

Later than planded, but I'm dropping it in this weekend. Been hard to find time lately.
Here are some pics of the motor buildup.

New crank up on the balancer



Assembly of pistons



I found a larger sump aluminum pan in the parts shed, a nice little upgrade.
Should allow another quart or so of oil cap, along with a remote filter.


Block came from a fresh water cooled core, so the water jackets have never seen anything but coolant, same with the heads ì used. This buildup was made to last so I wanted to start with the best ì could find.


Paint done, Fuel lines all made up, externals mounted,


A few quick things left, like I have to bolt up the rwp, hook up hoses and make the wires.

Had some things change in my work schedule this winter/spring, so in the name of progress ì put off some of the glass work I wanted to accomplish before this season. I just can't be without a running boat for the whole season. With the motor done î can plan my logistics for this winters overhaul much better. The good thing is it sits in my driveway on trailer most of the time so I can do some of the stuff during the summa.
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Crusader oil pan, Good upgrade.   
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Well, july 4th was my unwritten deadline and we pulled it off.
Broke the cam in on the trailer in the yard.
Took it up to ossipee lake with the new shaft, prop, repacked stuff box and some tools in the back of the truck and finished assembling the drivetrain lakeside instead of in the driveway at home.
Had a slight tick develop at about 1 hour of running. Not consistant with a valve tick though because it would change under load,, and would go away and come back. valves tipically get louder, we thought maybe the fuel rod was making some noise. But we quickly figured out what was wrong. turns out a few bb ford pushrods got installed, which arent hardened so the guide wore away at the rod and was ticking on the guide.
A quick 2 hour drive home and a few new pushrods and oil flush and we were back in business.
It's nice when it's just a small setback like that.
Nice to be back on the water and running again. Got a newcomer to waters sports up on skis and Deepwater slalom start too. so all in all worth the trip back home in the middle of vacation.
She's running strong and sounds great now that I got those ford parts out of her haha.





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WOW that's great it was a minor fix! Never seen a pushrod wear like that lol. Did the second one over from the left actually buckle over?
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Yes it did. So since the tick came and went we ran it hoping it would become more evident. Which it did. The bend happened while i was cranking it to start. I heard a loud fwumphf out the intake as it cranked. Then it started and had a missfire so thats when we removed the covers and found it.

The bbf ones measure about .040 smaller than the bbc intakes, phisically look the same but the ford ones dont hit anything inside the block like the bbc ones so they never hardened them.
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