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Good Looking vehicle, what engine option did you go with?
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4.0-Liter V6 DOHC 24-Valve with Dual Independent Variable Valve Timing, 270 hp @ 5600 rpm; 278 lb.-ft. @ 4400 rpm.

Sorry KENO, its not red. Toyota calls their red "Barcelona Red Metallic". Didn't work for me.

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Bought ours in April. Does NOT pull as well as the 4x4 Suburban, but does the job well. Full time 4 wheel, Limited loaded. So far, so good.
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Your set-up is similar to mine. NWZ hull and tandem trailer. Have you weighed your boat & trailer?

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Originally posted by Smithfamily Smithfamily wrote:



Bought ours in April. Does NOT pull as well as the 4x4 Suburban, but does the job well. Full time 4 wheel, Limited loaded. So far, so good.


đź‘ŤYou have my twin, great vehicle overall.
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Nice looking rig. Will tow fine unless at high altitude and starting from a dead stop on a steep hill such as getting stopped by road construction just prior to cresting the mountains going into Tahoe. I would also suggest not following the first recommended scheduled oil change. Instead change the oil at 500 miles. Precautionary, anal, yes, but I like to know what is happening inside. If you have a motor running 0w-20 wt. the recommended oil change is 10,000. I change at 5000. My dealer informed me back in 2010 that the government had implemented regulations on manufactures to decrease the recommended oil change intervals to decrease use and waste. 10,000 mile oil changes are not what would be recommended. However, there is a million mile Tundra out there that Toyota bought back and examined. May be 10,000 mile oil changes work.
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That "Million Mile Tundra" is an interesting read!! Look it up. I especially like the part where they were afraid to put it on the Dyno at the risk of blowing the motor, thus losing all possibilities of data retrieval. Night crew did not see memo!!
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On paper it seems ok trading my 260hp 306 #ft torque of my 2007 5.7 V8 for the 270hp 278#ft torque of the new V6... but driving it, I get a very different opinion/feel.. I do tow thru mountains and my V8 does great... not sure how many more years/miles I can stretch out of it.

The kicker is, the V6 really doesn't get much better fuel economy.

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Torque is king, also no replacement for displacement.
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Exactly. I don't see anyone here wanting their Nautique to have a V6. Wish my Avalanche had the 6.0 and 3.42 axle
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Well Gary, I've said this before, but I think the 5.3 is a misunderstood and maligned engine. It just needs to be revved, Granted, the 6 speed is far superior to the older 4 speed and not sure what vintage yours is. My Tahoe towed very well if I was willing to push the pedal and drop a few gears, tow mode worked quite well.

We've had several 6.0 trucks at work, they are strong and reliable but by modern standards boy do they suck down gas.
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I have heard you Dave but still when going through Tennessee mountains with the Super Sport in tow a 308 gear reving to the moon at 50 on the interstate makes me nervous . I have a 6 speed. I’m sure a 3.42 would help a lot and if I did it a lot I’d get it changed. If I was buying new I’d make sure to order it. When I hit the mega million I’m gong to buy a new suburban and have Count Customs turn it into a Avalanche. While I’m dreaming maybe I should have them put a diesel in it too
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Originally posted by Jonny Quest Jonny Quest wrote:

From Toyota 270 hp @ 5600 rpm; 278 lb.-ft. @ 4400 rpm.

Here’s the problem how often and how long do you want to stay at these RPM’s
These advertised HP and Torque figures are useless unless your running the 1/4 mile towing they don’t mean diddley.
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Exactly, remember the Toyota Epic ski boat that had a Lexus 4.0 L V-8? Wind to the moon but no low end torque. Torque is what gets the mass moving, HP keeps it moving. You cannot beat a large displacement V-8 for a ski boat. Correct Craft has now made the 6.2L the standard engine for the 2019 promo boats, the 6L is standard for all others. Talking ski boats not wake barges.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

I have heard you Dave but still when going through Tennessee mountains with the Super Sport in tow a 308 gear reving to the moon at 50 on the interstate makes me nervous . I have a 6 speed. I’m sure a 3.42 would help a lot and if I did it a lot I’d get it changed. If I was buying new I’d make sure to order it. When I hit the mega million I’m gong to buy a new suburban and have Count Customs turn it into a Avalanche. While I’m dreaming maybe I should have them put a diesel in it too

Right Gary, the 3.08 is a very different story, I had 3.42. To be honest, when talking this over with a friend a few years ago, I couldn't imagine why they offered 3.08, with my gears I could run 70 mph under 2000 rpm, quiet and smooth and decent economy, why would you ever want the taller gears?

I'm with you on your dream vehicle! I spoke to the Duraburb people a few years ago, they take a donor Suburban or Tahoe and fit it with a Duramax LBZ, really do a great job with them. I thought about it pretty seriously.
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I have had 4 of the GM full size Tahoe, Denali, Yukon, Suburban's.   The 5.3L is a good engine and pulls very well. I had a Tahoe with the 4.10 rear gear and it was a really strong tow vehicle.   At 70 MPH it was already running at 2,400 RPM. If I had to drop to 3rd at that speed I was over 3,000 RPM so it pulled really well.
The Denali I had came with a 3.42 gear and the 6.0L. That engine was a big power boost over the 5.3L. It flat out hauled when you stepped on it.   Both these rigs got about the same MPG.   I did not like the 3.42 gears in the mountains, both the 4.10 and 3.73 gears really helped compared to the 3.42 while towing. Even with the extra engine power the Denali was always downshifting while pulling the trailer so I preferred the other ratio's.

The old no replacement for displacement statement is now obsolete.
The new Turbocharged Gas and Diesel engines make more torque than the old big blocks did.   My son has a X5 BMW Diesel, 3.0L 6 cyl that has 450 foot pounds of torque at a ridiculous 1,600 RPM and pulls 30 MPG or better on the highway.   
Several other small Diesels are out now changing the game.   
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Diesels are certainly in another class of pulling power. No doubt about it. However a friend has a 2 year old Ford F 150 eco boost that does a great job until you hook a loaded boat trailer to and go uphill. It pulls ok but uses a lot more fuel than the former 5 L v-8 he previously owned. Now he does have the 2.7 L eco boost instead of the 3.5 L.

What can I say, I like big engines.
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7,000 lb excavator 3,500 lb trailer the hills of S. western Pa 6.0 Powerstroke no problem
V6 twin turbo I don’t think so not even with nitrous

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Totally agree!
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I see a lot more diesel pickups being used as grocery getters than I do 4runners being asked to tow beyond their 5500lb capacity. For towing a 4k lb ski boat a dozen times per year, and otherwise used to commute to work and haul the kids around, I have a theory on which is the better tool for the job. The V6 is adequate, if not overwhelming- and the truck in general is well sorted, with good brakes. If the 5th gen is anywhere near as reliable as the 4th gen, it won’t spend much time in the shop. 275k/255k on my 2 so far.
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Maybe my kids eat a lot and I need my diesel to grocery shop.
Plus I like to park next to all those fancy SUV's and let her idle the whole time I'm in the store.
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I am surprised its not higher. My Tacoma is over 6000.

I have towed at capacity, but would never recommend towing over capacity.

Some here do it. If you are comfortable, go for it.

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Im guessing lower vehicle weight probably explains the different tow ratings Tacoma vs 4Runner. The 4th Gen was about a 1k lb difference (5500 vs 6500) for 4x4 v6 models (talking taco access cab, double cab may have been less?). The v8 4Runner was 7k/7200.
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Pretty certain double cab had higher tow rating than the 4 door. I assumed 4 runners lower rating is because of its rear coils vs taco leafs.
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Double cab = 4 door (crew)
Access cab = ext cab

Rear coils being the limitation doesn’t make sense since the v8 4Runner is rated at 7k+.
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