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    Posted: August-20-2019 at 6:56pm
The brackets on my swim platform are damaged and I need to replace them. Problem is I can't get the screws out. I have managed to take you 2 of the 18 screws.

Looking for advice on removing stuck screws from fiberglass. I think they have 4200 or something similar holding them in so anything that may help there.
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Are they tight and wont break free or are they stripped and won't back out?
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Originally posted by Blamey Blamey wrote:

tight and won't break free


I think I would head on down to the harbor freight and pick up an Impact Screwdriver fo r the next step --
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Those impact screwdrivers can work some real magic. Great for stuck bolts too, if you're working in an area without power or air - they usually have a 3/8 or 1/2 drive on the end.
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Originally posted by zwoobah zwoobah wrote:

if you're working in an area without power or air - they usually have a 3/8 or 1/2 drive on the end.

I have one of these:   



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I have the Harbor Freight impact screw driver, not much luck with that. I feel like its because it's 4200 and not just metal sticking the 4200 has some give.

I've tried to use Kroil Oil to loosen the bond. Not much luck there either.

Tried blow torch but it was too close to the gel coat and just burned the gel.

I am using a hand screw driver because I am afraid of stripping the screw but would a power tool possibly help?

Next step is to cut a slit in the screw to use a flat head vs the Philips head, hoping this provides more torque.

Final solution it to grind the head off the screws then remove the bracket then deal with the half screw.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by zwoobah zwoobah wrote:

if you're working in an area without power or air - they usually have a 3/8 or 1/2 drive on the end.

I have one of these:   



A lot easier to strip the head with those Pete than with the hand impact.
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Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by zwoobah zwoobah wrote:

if you're working in an area without power or air - they usually have a 3/8 or 1/2 drive on the end.

I have one of these:   



A lot easier to strip the head with those Pete than with the hand impact.

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You don't have 6 point impact sockets? One nice think about most battery impacts is the torque is adjustable. Not so with electrics and with pneumatics you need to play around with the air pressure.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by zwoobah zwoobah wrote:

if you're working in an area without power or air - they usually have a 3/8 or 1/2 drive on the end.

I have one of these:   



A lot easier to strip the head with those Pete than with the hand impact.

Paul,
You don't have 6 point impact sockets? One nice think about most battery impacts is the torque is adjustable. Not so with electrics and with pneumatics you need to play around with the air pressure.


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Those 6 point impact sockets should do a slam bang job on his Phillips head screws
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Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

I've had good luck with one of these to break loose screws.




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+1 on these. I purchased one last year for some use on my snowmobile on some screws and torx head screws. Worked really well as you are using the pounding force to hold the bit in the head of the screw as it gives a twist to break it loose.
I now use it anytime a screw or bolt starts to act like it wont come loose.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by zwoobah zwoobah wrote:

if you're working in an area without power or air - they usually have a 3/8 or 1/2 drive on the end.

I have one of these:   



I, too, have one - a Dewalt brushless 20v Li-Ion. Works great, but only up to about 75lb-ft torque.

I haven't stepped up to buy the men's version from Snap-On at $500. Buddy has this, no issues removing lug nuts and even most axle nuts. 230lb-ft max.

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It has always amazed me that we have stuck with the Phillips head design for over 80 years. The design for the driver to "cam out" was intentional to avoid over tightening fasteners on the automotive assembly lines. I would have thought by now the design would have been changed so the driver fits the head better. I have looked at different bits looking for better fits but with no luck. The only attempt to redesign the cross slot screw was with the Reed and Prince/Frearson design. Still available and typical in wood boat building. If a screw is available in ether a Torx or spline drive I will buy it rather than the Phillips.


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I could only get about 5 of the bolts removed. I started drilling out the bolts, which appears to be my only option.

I'll work on the rest of the bolts to see if I can get a couple more out before I resort to drilling them all out. Once drilled out, I plan to fill the holes.
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