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    Posted: September-05-2019 at 2:02am
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I have a 81 Ski Nautique that I am beginning to tear apart for stringer replacement. tonight i cut out the starboard side of the floor and found some minor rot on the secondary stringer, but the rest of the secondary was very wet. Seems like if i dont replace it now, it will obviously just get worse with time. So despite the rot not being too bad i think im going to go ahead and replace the secondarys.

The primary stringers sound and feel solid, but I wanted to make sure they werent starting to rot. I ground off the top of a patch near the rear on the top, and i found very fresh looking wood. Should I continue to verify that the primaries are good by drilling inspection holes, etc? Or is it safe to assume that they dont need replacing if they are rock solid, sound good when smacked with a hammer, no soft spots, plus the local visual inspection?

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The inspection of the primary stringer:


Thanks for everyone's help on this!
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Not sure why the image posted rotated, does anyone know how to rotate the photos to the correct orientation?
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Keep digging. Start looking toward bottom of the stringers where the water intrusion most likely is. If the secondaries are wet its almost guaranteed the primaries are going to be also.
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While you are into the hull this far, I'd suggest replacing the primaries too. You don't what to take a chance that there is some moisture and the rot is just beginning. Yes, keep digging.


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Originally posted by jc91 jc91 wrote:

Not sure why the image posted rotated, does anyone know how to rotate the photos to the correct orientation?

I’ll bet your using an Apple device. Something to do with coding of the picture I think and there is a fix but it’s a pain. I always use a camera for posting pictures- after years of Apple products I’m fed up
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Alright, sounds like I should just cut a whole side of glass off the primary stringers and at that point may as well replace the primaries. I am completely new to all of this and am counting on everyone's vast experience on this forum to help me figure out what I am doing.

I am a little nervous about ripping out the primary stringers if I don't need to as they are locationally and structurally critical rather than secondary stringers being only structurally critical (relatively speaking). Although, I am sure the primaries have moisture because I can see cracks in the fiberglass on them at the bulkhead and at other discontinuous locations on the stringer. The question is, how fast does that moisture turn into rot? If its something that will take 10 more years to become significant, is it important to do it now?

Also, it looked like the glass on top of the primary was very thick. About a half inch if not more. Is that standard for the primaries? I guess that brings up another question I should ask you all: should I be measuring distances for stringers from the glassed exterior or the wood core itself?

Either way, I agree that I need to keep digging into the primaries. And I need to get a camera so I don't annoy everyone with my sideways photos anymore

Progress from yesterday:
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I have also realized it is very difficult to find the windshield vent wings. Can we get these from a manufacturer still or are we doomed to wait for the elusive wings to show themselves on for sale threads? Are there any good boat junk yards that would have them?
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Thanks for the picture. It gives us an idea of where you're at. Yes, you have more digging to do. Forward of the engine is a typical spot where you will find some bad areas. Do some reading here on stringer jobs and you will see hulls stripped down to nothing. Is the hull sitting on the trailer? Many have added blocking for extra support.


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The hull is sitting on a trailer. I have read most of the threads on here covering stringer repair, but a lot of the info seems like it will make more sense once I am deeper into the project. How supported does the hull need to be? I was planning on building very basic trusses to support the front and rear on each side of the hull, and probably connecting them in the middle so they cant splay out.

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Well, it pays to listen to people with experience. I cut out the rest of the floor and initially noticed standing water in the foam next to the battery box. After I cut out the battery box and started removing foam I noticed a lot more standing water. The foam is completely soaked from about half way down and extends from as far front as I've inspected all the way to the rear. The starboard side seems worse, and there is a fiberglass patch job on the hull on that side, so I am wondering if they are related. I am going to inspect the previously damaged area when I get to it from the inside. I am getting a camera tonight hopefully so that will fix my sideways photos, apologies!

Here's a picture of the patched spot:



Here's a picture of the progress made yesterday:



When removing the air box, I am a little unsure of how far back I should go. Do I go all the way back to the mount for the hoist ring support? Or should I just go back to this red line?

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I would go all the way forward so you can check the condition of the metal stap for the lifting ring.
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Originally posted by Fabcon Fabcon wrote:

I would go all the way forward so you can check the condition of the metal stap for the lifting ring.

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Looks like a 'fun', & laborious project. But as others have noted, the results are usually very rewarding. You'll get all the help you need here.

Vent wing windows...they come up more often than you might think. And, many of the most troublesome parts (the latches) are still available here:

http://www.taylormarine.com/hardware/parts/wingvents/

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Originally posted by MourningWood MourningWood wrote:

Looks like a 'fun', & laborious project. But as others have noted, the results are usually very rewarding. You'll get all the help you need here.

Vent wing windows...they come up more often than you might think. And, many of the most troublesome parts (the latches) are still available here:

http://www.taylormarine.com/hardware/parts/wingvents/



Well that's encouraging. Especially since the hardware can still be purchased! I was halfway thinking I would need to put solid glass in.

I really appreciate everyone's willingness to help me with this! I saw Whiskey Badger's 1981 ski nautique build and knew I had to do it too, so don't feel too bad for me. For some reason I gravitate to projects like this.

And to be honest, this is my first boat and I bought it in this state. So yes, it will be very rewarding to finally be able to take it out!
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Well the grinder introduced itself to me today. Got a nice "nick" on the knuckle down to almost the bone. I have an old style grinder that doesn't have a guard. That guard is worth its weight in gold when grinding up in the bow.

Got the air box cut out and dug a lot of foam out today. I think the bow has the most water than anywhere, but hard to tell exactly. I am really excited to get down to the patch job the previous owner did to see whats going on down there. I am expecting to find a shotty job that water was leaking through with how wet it is up there.

Time will tell, in the meantime photo of the progress!




Plan for the weekend is to relax and do nothing. BUT next week Im going to get the rest of the foam out of the whole boat, level the boat relative to the earth, build some bracing for the hull, measure everything and start cutting stringers out.

Found out today that I get just above cost discounts at the local marine supply store through work, so that's going to help swallow the epoxy bill!
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You could do something like buy a cheap Harbor Freight grinder, complete with a guard
it won't break the bank
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

You could do something like buy a cheap Harbor Freight grinder, complete with a guard
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You are very correct! I may have to pick one up for future grinding
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Alright, I couldn't do nothing all weekend. I had to get out and work on the boat. I have now gotten most of the foam out and found some surprises. As expected, there is hull damage where the patch on the starboard side is. Looks like they hit something hard enough to crack through the hull and delaminate fiberglass on both sides of the secondary stringer. I am thinking I need to grind this damage out and repair it properly, but I am wondering what I am going to find when I start grinding. Is this hull a single layup from the factory, or are there additional shapes layed up onto the hull? It looks like the hull is a one piece layup, and when I grind through the damage I will go straight through the hull, but I want to make sure that is the case before I begin damage control.

The other problem I have now, is that I realized I ground into the hull slightly when cutting the floor out below the steering wheel. Looks like it probably is half way through the hull considering how thin the hull is. Maybe less though. I think I can either fill with epoxy and some small strips of fiberglass, or I can grind the floor back to the hull and lay larger patches of fiberglass in to reinforce the whole area. What do you all recommend?

Photo of the progress from the day:



Photo of the hull damage from previous owners impact. Damage circled in blue. Its difficult to tell, but that area is broken fiberglass lifted to a ~30 degree angle:



Photo of the hull damage on the other side of the secondary stringer:



Photo of the area where I ground into the hull slightly:

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