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I would never place the boat in the water without fully flushing all freeze put.I drain the freeze just like winterizing then run water with 2 barrels at the exhaust to catch the rest. All the freeze is then paced in containers to take to disposal.,
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

The newer PCM manual in our reference section pictures drain and pour


Do you pour in what the manual tells you to Pete?

Which manual are you looking at specifically?



NO, I DO NOT USE "Prestone" or "Zerox". per the manual. Do you?


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

The newer PCM manual in our reference section pictures drain and pour


Do you pour in what the manual tells you to Pete?

Which manual are you looking at specifically?



NO, I DO NOT USE "Prestone" or "Zerox". per the manual. Do you?


QUIT YELLING

So you only use and quote parts of the manual that you feel like

Your version of newer is still pretty old too.

In the 70's they said water and automotive antifreeze 50/50

Late 80's they said 50/50 water and food grade antifreeze

93 manual and the 95 thru 01 they said 50/50 water and environmentally safe permanent antifreeze

By the time you get to the 03 manual in the reference section, they're just let's say "non specific" about what to use



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Ken and Pete, first of all many thanks for your recommendations. If I go with the auto antifreeze route I would flush all out and dispose before placing in the water. Right now my boat has been drained without having fogged the motor. I could either add water through the pump, fog,. empty all the water ports again and fill antifreeze via the thermostat as you both recommended..

Or add the antifreeze mix through the pump (since the engine has been already drained) with the thermostat removed and fog when full of antifreeze mix. Both ways should work. I will take of off the pump for the winter nap and that should be it. Thanks again to both of you!
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

So you only use and quote parts of the manual that you feel like

Ken,
Please note I refferenced a method and not a material.


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I just use the green stuff- it flushes out ok in about a quarter mile



It only seems to be a problem if a bunch of you go out

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OK, Going to Walmart and exchanging the Antifreeze with RV freeze.
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Originally posted by SteveZ SteveZ wrote:

OK, Going to Walmart and exchanging the Antifreeze with RV freeze.


If you're a little nervous about the RV antifreeze, look for minus 75 degree stuff for a little more protection.

And yes, your suck up method described will work
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[QUOTE=Gary S] I just use the green stuff- it flushes out ok in about a quarter mile

Good thing St Patty's day only comes once a year
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

So you only use and quote parts of the manual that you feel like

Ken,
Please note I refferenced a method and not a material.


Like I said before, I'll note that you only use and quote parts of the manual that you feel like,otherwise you wouldn't have been giving Steve crap with the dead fish picture and picking on his suck up method.
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If someone is doing the suck up method and the motor is cold does the thermostat need to be removed?
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5 gal of coolant to motor until coming out of thermostat housing. Fogged carb but I hope I got enough in. Didn't realize how fast the motor pumped in 5 gal. Water pump out as well. Couldn't believe how foul that thermostat area was inside. Lots of rust! The only question I have is the oil; cooler/trans cooler unit. The hose on the down side was frozen so I did not undo. There was a small fitting at the bottom which I took out - no fluids came out. I ordered a special tool used to extract hoses. Thanks again and have a great winter. Can't wait to get that boat back in the water.
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The water side of the cooler is not too strong where the hoses attach so prying with anything may deform the fitting.

The little fitting is a water side drain so if nothing came out it was either drained or plugged

The easiest way to drain the water side of the cooler is to unhook the other end of the hose up at the water pump and lower the hose below cooler level to empty it since the little plug can cause problems if it's stuck and you apply too much force deforming or breaking the cooler end bell.

When you sucked 5 gallons thru the cooler, you made sure it was full of antifreeze
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Originally posted by Crmaverick Crmaverick wrote:

If someone is doing the suck up method and the motor is cold does the thermostat need to be removed?


The popular answer is to take it out, but if the engine is drained first so the water is out, it will fill up when you start it, with some water filling the engine and some going through the exhaust manifolds

Most all those people who pump 5 gallons through their engine have small blocks that hold less coolant than a 454, so if you're thinking of sucking up the pink stuff, I thin I'd go with 7 gallons or so

As far as the thermostat..............."If in doubt, take it out"
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Thanks Ken, I''ll loosen that fitting again since now the motor has a fill of coolant to see if anything comes out. It no fluid then I'll try your lowering the hose method. Next fall I'll be a pro at this! LOL
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I Bought some CAMCO ARTIC BAN -50 (pink stuff) to pour into my 87 351W. The label says it contains ETHYL ALCOHOL 64-17-5 as well as GLYCOL AND DENATURANTS. The label also says NOT to use it in a automotive radiator or a boat engine?? Is this RV/MARINE antifreeze a suitable replacement for automotive antifreeze or do I need to get some different “pink stuff”? My plan is to pour it full strength (after draining of course) as described in the old PCM Engine Owners Manual, paragraph k, pg.31.
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On the CAMCO website, it shows that the Arctic Ban -50 is not recommended for marine engines. You want the Freeze Ban -50 or the Winter Ban -100.

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Thanks JQ and Keno! Going to get some straight Propylene Glycol “pink stuff” w/inhibitors.
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Originally posted by trice trice wrote:

Thanks JQ and Keno! Going to get some straight Propylene Glycol “pink stuff” w/inhibitors.


My post that you thanked me for got deleted.(accidentally by me } but the Freeze Ban has more corrosion inhibitors than the Arctic Ban and is a different composition but both will work.

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