Prop needed for 1968 Correct Craft
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Topic: Prop needed for 1968 Correct Craft
Posted By: ricko1
Subject: Prop needed for 1968 Correct Craft
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 2:33am
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I have a 1968 Correct Craft. I recently had my boat serviced. Tonight I put her in for a quick spin, and the prop fell off. The engine is a 318 and a 1" shaft. Any idea on what kind of prop I need to purchase. I should have written down what was on it.
Please help as the weekend is fast approaching and I want to be back on the water. Any idea what this will cost? Thanks!! ------------- It's All Good II |
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 2:50am
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ricko... What model is your 68? I can only guess, but probably a 12" dia. Pitch in the 13-14 range.. RH rotation.
Got any pics of your boat? btw, welcome! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 2:56am
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I look forward to this site. What would be the best way to send a picture?
My boat is a Barracuda. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 3:02am
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Most guys use Photobucket. Here is a http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5142&PN=1 - link to a post on how to use it.
Btw, I have a 66 cuda....how long you had yours? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 3:07am
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I bought it last summer. It is a beauty, the guy who owned it before me did a complete restoration. The only reason I took it to get serviced was to make sure everything was OK. I have had more problems in the last 2 weeks.
The boat runs great (with prop) and looks brand new. I absolutely am hooked and now want one from each decade. My wife thinks I am crazy. Hey I am only 37, I got time. I will send you a pic. |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 3:45am
Here she is.
 ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 8:45am
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ricko,
Well, if your wife thinks you're crazy then we all must be on this site! So, welcome to CCfan that's full of crazys! Great looking Barracuda. Hopefully the person who serviced your boat didn't have anything to do with the prop. If so, then maybe he's one of those new so called "technicians"! Fill us in on the prop story and we'll be able to help with the pitfalls of getting the prop onto its taper properly. Steve (62wood) is right on regarding the prop size. You will want to look for a Michigan Wheel prop for general use. At this time, I wouldn't go experimenting with props. Take a look at one of our sponsors sites http://www.deltaprop.com/ - delta prop . They may have a used/reconditioned 12x13 or 12x14. They do show up on ebay too. BTW, you're not allowed to pull tubes with that boat! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 4:51pm
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Hey Ricko,
Welcome to the site.. I heard about all kinds of bad things with the 68' Barracudas. Especially red hulled ones.. Best just let me take it off your hands now, so I can save you many prop orders.... 
Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: straylight
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 6:14pm
beautiful boat:) Congratulations! Tom ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1704&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1988&yrend=1988 - My 1988 SkiNautique 2001 |
ricko1 wrote:Posted By: straylight
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 6:15pm
why's that? Tom ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1704&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1988&yrend=1988 - My 1988 SkiNautique 2001 |
Posted By: k.o.
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 7:51pm
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pete hates tubes and doesn't want anyone pulling them i think espacially from classic boats that's what i learned from lurking all these months ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7587" rel="nofollow - 86 ski nautique |
Posted By: straylight
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 8:04pm
ah, okay...  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1704&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1988&yrend=1988 - My 1988 SkiNautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 8:55pm
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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8746&KW=Feelgood+M%2ED%2E - "the courteous tuber"
Also check out feelgoodM.D.'s signature line. It's quoted in the thread. Tom, most here are skiers or boarders who use their talents and skills rather than waisting it on a brainless activity! Don't take this wrong as I really don't care what you do except when it affects others so if you do tube, please consider other people who want to use the lake too. I do love the boat. My first was a 70 Cuda with the Holman Moody. Same red hull as yours. I wish I still had it!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 9:11pm
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Wow. Thanks for all the help. Good news bad news kind of day. The good news is that I found my prop today over at Delta Propeller. Bad news is that the nut will not be in until tomorrow. Another day without a boat.
I did talk to the people that worked on my boat. As expected, they never touched the prop.  Funny how it doesn't idle worth a darn after the tune up. I wonder if they touched that (lol).
I tried to pick up a nut from a couple other places with no luck. But at the end of the day, It's All Good. Any ideas on where I could get a Correct Craft Flag for the Bow, and I also need the letters for down the side. Let me know. Out!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 9:16pm
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Hey, I wanted to let you all know. The picture above of my boat, that was taken in my back yard. I live on the Great Miami River north of Cincinnati. I have a dock and ramp on my property. There are only 2 types of boats out here, pontoons (booo) and inboards (yeah!!). So far, there is only one other boat out here that can outrun me, to bad his prop didn't fall off (just kidding).
It is like a trip back in time being on the River. Got about a 2 mile stretch to open her up. It really is a blast. |
Posted By: k.o.
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 9:16pm
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so pete probably should not tell you that we just got a tube haha ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7587" rel="nofollow - 86 ski nautique |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 9:22pm
My daughters cried this morning when I told them the news. He broke there heart. I didn't know I was breaking Correct Craft Protocol by pulling them on a tube.
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 9:32pm
So you traded away your barefoot boom and bought a tube instead... sounds like a step in the wrong direction!  ------------- |
Posted By: k.o.
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 9:42pm
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haha no i'm not that dumb i traded my boom for wake board lessons since i tought i never gonna use the boom anyways i guess it was a bad trade haha. i got the tube from my father's boss with 5 more life vest so no more tickets from the coast guard ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7587" rel="nofollow - 86 ski nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 9:53pm
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Ricko, I should have mentioned it when I provided the Delta prop link - they would have had the nut!
What letters down the side?? There weren't any unless you are thinking of the small CC tags at the stern. Heres your pennant: http://www.classicboating.com/Flags.html - A&A 
When you put the new prop on, Keep in mind that it is the taper holding it on and not the nut. fit the prop without the key first. Mark the forward edge of the prop. Put it back on with the key and make sure the prop goes forward to the mark you made on the shaft. The most common mistake is people will get the key in skewed which prevents the prop from going fully forward and seating on the taper. Tighten the nut and install the cotter pin if you are using a castelated nut. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 10:55pm
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I haven't chimed in in quite a while but when I saw the sister boat of my '68 I just
had to post a pic - me, the boat, and the grand-baby. 
Pay no attention as to how the boat is listing to starboard. For some reason it has always done that. 
------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 11:17pm
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The prop is sitting there with the key. I put the key at 12:00 position. The nut was the wrong size. Gary at the Delta Prop said it may be that I need a brass nut. The stainless one he sold me has the wrong grooves. Any idea on this?
What a 68. Very nice boat. I like the Blue. ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 11:21pm
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pBrainard. I said letters, I meant emblems. After they repainted the boat, they did not put the Correct Craft Emblems on the port and starboard aft. I would like to find some nice chrome ones.
Thanks for the help on the nut. I am actually getting worried about not finding the right nut for my boat. Any suggestions? The boat has a 1" tapered shaft. The nut should be 3/4. But the one I got was to course? I am not an expert on this. I just really love driving the boat!!  ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-12-2008 at 11:28pm
Next stupid Ricko question. How should I attach the flag. Is there something that goes out on the bow. There currently is not a place for a flag. Any thoughts? Thanks!! I appreciate kindness as I am the new guy here. Out!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 2:19am
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ricko,
Some bow lights have a hole in them for a burgee staff... like the one on my 64 American Skier. My 'cudas dont have that, so you may need to get a stand-alone type staff and socket. btw,JIH.. good to see you back on... whats new down your way? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 2:30am
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Not much. I really wanted to get my boat fixed prior to vacation. Of course with my love for boats, I am taking a 7 day cruise. The only way to go. I leave on Saturday. I am going to have someone pick up my boat and get this prop nut deal taken care of while I am away so I can get back in the water when I get home. One of my greatest joys, is taking a cruise on my boat. I love to see people's faces when they see it go by. I feel as though I own a peice of history.
Any way, I will look for a staff and socket. I an American Flag from the Aft, and would like one on the bow. I appreciate your advice. Bon Voyage!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: straylight
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 4:37am
Pete, no worries please ;) I actually thought there was some strange kind of law or watever that prohibits tubing behind that boat because it was popably missing something... whatever... Stupid me
I have to ride (wakeboard) on a canal which gets really crowded with speedboats, tubers and banana rodeos on sunny weekends and the water (from 9am to 6pm) looks like north shore hawaii. I really enjoy serious silly tubing in those times when nobody could think of wakeboarding or skiing anymore. When all those people drank all their beer an finally manage to find the way back to the harbour - then it is boarding time :) On this canal all of these people have the right to do what ever they want, if it is within the laws... I don't care, they are just having their kind of fun. Tom ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1704&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1988&yrend=1988 - My 1988 SkiNautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 7:45am
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Ricko, If your 68 doesn't have the bow light with the hole in it like Steve mentioned then it may be a year they weren't used, someone changed out the bow light or CC is well known for hardware inconsistencies. I'll have to take a look through the diaries to see if I can spot any bow lights. Don't go putting a socket on the deck - that's my "keep it original" comment for the day!!
The chrome emblems are a tough one! They are very rare. There has been lots of talk about reproducing them but so far nothing. They do come up but go for big bucks! I even think people have bought complete old hulls just to get the emblems!! Your prop shaft should be a 3/4-10 thread. Look at it closely to make sure the threads aren't screwed up. I highly recommend a brass nut ether nylon locking type or castelated. Stainless to stainless can gall against itself and lock up. I had to cut the stainless one off my Tique last summer and then find a die to chase the threads on the shaft. It wasn't fun!! A simple 20 minute prop change turned into a 5 hour project. Skidim sells the brass and any marina with inboards around will have them. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 12:11pm
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Thanks 62 Wood. It's been an incredibly bad year for weather and boating down on the bayou in Texas. Heavy rain up north makes it's way down south to the bayou and the water gets nasty (muddy and full of trash) - no one wants to get in it. The 68 has been hung up and not used very much. One interesting technical observation though (sorry to hijack the thread) - Since I replaced the old 4v Holley and cast iron intake with a new 4v Holley and Edelbrock aluminum intake I now need more prop. The old 289 over-revs. I guess that's a good thing. ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 3:58pm
Ricko, I took a look at the diaries and did find one good picture of the bow light with the pennant and staff. It's on a 67.
 ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 4:17pm
Jim, what do you consider "over revving"? ReidP has done a lot of experimenting and has seen the best performance with a stock sized prop (12x13 OJ or 12x14 Federal on a 302), regardless of modifications. The better parts increase flow and increase RPM- but the only reason to go with a steeper prop (with regards to performance) is if youre adding cubic inches. Dont worry, a little over 5k RPM wont do any damage. ------------- |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 4:37pm
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That's good info TRBenj. Thanks.
The "over-reving" I am having is that when I punch it you get thrown back in the seat, the bow rises and as soon as the bow begins to come down the engine trys to go over 6 grand. I have to quickly pull back and let the boat catch up in speed. I can no longer run at full throttle at any time. After the boat catches up in speed every time I give it full throttle the RPMS try to go over 6 grand. I am surprised the old 289 holds together. I need to bite more water. ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 5:03pm
Certainly get what suits you, and an American flag is a nice gesture, but you might want to think about an ensign, the standard stern flag.  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 5:11pm
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Jim, Im not sure you need more pitch- but a new prop might be in order! Thats some strange behavior. If youre up for ordering new, I think ReidP likes the 12x13 OJ Legend the best. Its on my to-buy list. ------------- |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 5:15pm
The only real vacation would be to trailer that beauty to Green Lake, Wisc for the Reunion next month !!! July 11th-13th... Refund the tickets for the cruise and put some work into the trailer and come drink with your new buds... Bring the kids and the tube.. We'll take select engine parts off Pete's boat so he can't chase ya  
Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 5:38pm
I would add cup to you current prop to bring down the rpm before I replaced it. Try a couple people in the rear seat and see if it still does it, might help keep the bow up a little more. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 7:02pm
I don't know about all that. Seems to be an awful lot of brainless time spent on this web site. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-13-2008 at 11:21pm
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I got a problem folks. They sold me a 3/4 -10 as suggested. Darn thing won't fit. It goes on not even a full rotation. I don't want to put a wrech on it for fear of stripping the threads. Would a brass nut work better than stainless. I took some of my kids plato and made a cast of the shaft. I looks to me like the grooves are smaller on the shaft than the nut. Please let me know. I don't need a new shaft do I? This issue has me perplexed. They sold me a 12 RH 15 x 1". Can anyone confirm this to be correct. Gary at Delta Prop called someone and they told him that is what was needed. Thanks for the help!!
I am flying the ensign Flag. How far is the reunion from Cincinnati, I would love the chance to rip up some boats for parts as mentioned...
If I get a chance from the Cruise Ship, I will check in with you all. You all make owning a Correct Craft a blast. Anchors Away, Ricko is setting sail!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 12:03am
Ricko, You must have missed my earlier post above! I don't know what's up with the threads unless someone has been pounding on the end of the shaft. Have you compared the "cast" you made with a known size bolt? Measure the OD and there are thread pitch gauges to get the threads per inch. You may end up getting a die to chase the threads! If you do, look for a "rethread" hex die that you can use a wrench on instead of trying to find a handle for the die. DO NOT try to force that stainless nut on the stainless shaft. You'll end up with more problems. I highly recommend getting a brass nut. I wonder if it had a nut on it when you bought the boat? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 12:36am
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Ok, you lost me. I don't understand what is meant by a die?? It did have a nut because I looked at it before. When I had the thought, right down the prop size in case you ever need it. Oops, didn't do that. Now I am worried that they sold me the wrong prop. The sticker on it says 15 x 1 but on the prop it has 15 x 3 stamped on it. I looked at the threads and it does look like they had pounded on the end of the shaft. Hence this could be the reason I cannot get the nut to thread. If this is the case, what do I need to do. I bet it has to do with the die you said above which I don't understand.
I appreciate the education on this. ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 12:54am
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A tap and die are used to create threads and/or to repair threads. The die is for the male threads, the tap for the female threads.
BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 1:05am
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Thanks for the help. Where would a person find one of these dies at? ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 1:54am
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Hey Jim, is the battery under the driver seat? Mine is, and it makes it lean a little. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 9:44am
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Ricko, A decent hardware or even a home center should have the die. Did you try to match the "cast" you made with a know bolt? Don't forget to look for a die that is hex shaped unless you get a handle. You also may consider borrowing. Use some oil on the threads when running the die over them. BTW, 3/4" is the outside nominal diameter and the 10 is how many threads per inch. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 12:18pm
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all these years of messing with these shafts Pete, i found a 3/4 10 die that i bought 15 years ago in my tool box. i use it on every shaft now...ive even went as far as cutting the hammered end to get to good threads ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Jim_In_Houston
Date Posted: June-14-2008 at 3:45pm
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Hey Tim. Yep the battery is under the seat but I think the listing is caused by the big butted boat driver and way too much ice cream and pie. (For all you newbies, a big butted boat driver is not some kind of special wrench I am talking about.) ------------- Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: June-16-2008 at 1:20pm
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Ricko1,
Look me up when you get back, i'm just down the road in Loveland. My '65 needs a playmate! Gary ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: June-16-2008 at 5:58pm
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Ricko1,
The reunion is about 7-1/2 hours from you in Green Lake Wisc. Check out the Reunion banner and see who's coming.. Bunch of the best older CC's you'll ever see on water.... Make it a plan.. There are still places to stay available.. Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 7:20pm
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HELP!! OK... I bought a RH prop as suggested. My dad did some work on the Shaft and was able to get the nut on. Big Problem. I put the boat in the water and reverse is forward and forward is reverse. I had the prop on correctly. Does this now mean I need a LH prop? If anyone can tell me exactly what I need to do, I would greatly appreciate it!!
By the way... 7 Days on the Ocean was absolutely great!! Thanks for the help!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 8:20pm
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2 pages and no mention of the prop rotation!! Wow!
Ricko, Your boat should have a RH prop on it unless some one put another engine in it! Sometimes people will cheap out and put a "quick and dirty" LH block in from a car!! What does the old prop look like? Looking from the stern forward, a LH will turn counter clockwise in forward and obviously a RH will turn clockwise in forward!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 10:05pm
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Well... The old prop is at the bottom of the river. It fell off. I went diving for it, but no luck. I do know that the engine did come out of a Dodge Durango, so I guess they did cheap out.
Any idea on the pitch or cup? Let me know. That stinks that they went cheap on the engine. I never knew that mattered until your post. They went all out on the Carb, etc. The engine looks good, real good. I guess I need to take it back to original. Thanks!! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 10:36pm
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ricko, Confirm that the engine is a LH. Keeping in mine that a LH will be counter clockwise viewed from the rear, looking at the front it will be running clockwise. Get a LH prop with the same diameter and pitch. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 11:15pm
Pete, I could be the culprit,in my first response I made note to the RH rotation... never thought about someone changing to a car take-out 
ricko, what prop did you buy?(size/pitch) / where did you get it/ will they exchange it? sorry for the bad info..  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-23-2008 at 12:59am
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One of my favorite posters of all time....Jim_In_Houston! How are you? We sure have missed your special brand of humor.
BTW....where did you get that sweet hat? I just gotta have one of those! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-23-2008 at 1:06am
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Wow, didn't see that coming. Many if not most of the folks who come to this site don't know that an older Correct Craft engine is typically reverse rotation. Accordingly, the group is always on the lookout to be sure folks get reverse rotation starter, props and other parts. There's a post going right now, where it appears the problem is a standard rotation starter was put on a reverse rotation engine.
An unfortunate mixup. I don't think very many people would have guessed the motor had been swithched out for a standard rotation motor. Most prop places will exchange the prop. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-23-2008 at 1:54pm
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Does anyone know the pitch for the prop? Delta sold me a 15 X 1 RH. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-23-2008 at 2:43pm
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Ricko, This was the first recommendation by steve (62wood) and I seconded it:"12" dia. Pitch in the 13-14 range"
Then you said: "They sold me a 12 RH 15 x 1". The 15 I feel will be too steep a pitch. Was the 15 a used one they had? Just trying to figure out how you ended up with it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-24-2008 at 12:12am
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Well, the prop saga continues. I purchased another prop today at Delta Prop. They sold me a LH 13 12 with .08 cup. I put it on and took the boat out for a spin. It seemed to run pretty good. I noticed the bow seems to be a little higher, but I don't know if the boat was propped correctly to begin with. But as it stands right now, I am back on the water. Do you need to go slow for a bit to seat the prop, or just go for it?
I called Acme prop today and they told me to purchase this prop, and I was lucky that I live about 30 minutes from Delta Prop and they had it in stock. When I am at a good speed the RPM's are running about 3700. How does this sound. I greatly appreciate all help on this matter. Now that I know I am not the only correct craft person around, I look forward to meeting you all. I want to keep my boat original, and I guess I am going to have to re work her over time to keeping it original. I was told this Acme prop will give me better performance since it is not cast. ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-24-2008 at 8:38am
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Ricko, Hopefully you have got the prop on correctly - you sure don't want to go through this again!!! No, if you followed the prop install proceedure, the prop will be drawn up on it's taper and there isn't any kind of "seating". Go for it!!
60's hulls (as well as earlier boats) ran bow high. This is normal. It's not a I/O with a power trim! You said they sold you a 13 12. Typically the first number is dia. and the second is the pitch. Hopefully you have reversed the numbers. Please confirm that. The true test of proper prop sizing is the WOT. You really don't want that 318 to see much more that 4400 RPM. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-27-2008 at 12:49am
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The prop they sold me was a 13 12 LH. He said putting on a larger prop would not make a difference. The folks at Acme said the same thing. I told them what I had and engine size and they said this was the prop. They also said they would do a one time change to the pitch if necessary. Hope that helps. I ran her pretty good the other night. I took her up to 3700 rpms and it ran great. I haven't dropped the hammer on it. Will do this weekend!!
13" Diameter 12 pitch that is correct!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: June-27-2008 at 2:09am
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ricko,
Both of my cudas have 12" dia. props. How much room is there between the prop and the bottom of the hull? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-27-2008 at 2:13am
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Ricko, I will bet the prop is too close to the hull.you should have at least 1" of clearance between the blade tip and the bottom of you boat.
This being said,you shouls have a 12" diameter prop on there,and from 13 to 14 " of pitch. Most of these old boats do not like a 13" wheel..... OJ Propellers builds probably the best prop for that boat and it is called the Legend.Just sent '65 Cuda one for his boat w/318 12x14 OJ Ledgend. After a weekend ask how his worked out. You RPM"s if correct are way too low/Wrong Prop..................Boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-27-2008 at 8:15am
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Ricko, They sold you a bunch of BS. I'm backing up both Steve and the Doc. That Cuda should not run a 13" prop. Besides vibration/cavitation without the proper hull clearance, you will get prop burn on the hull. It's when the gel will actually get eaten away from the violent cavitation. I'll try to find the picture that was posted here so you can see what prop burn does. Are you just buying what they have on hand and used/rebuilt? It's time to get out your wallet and buy the correst prop. Do check the WOT RPM's.
I can't find the picture I was really looking for that shows the prop burn (some call it hull rash) but here's one. It's on a classic which is basicly the eary version of the Cuda. this erosion is mor around the rudder log but it does show what happens to the hull. 
Hull rash was so bad on some of the wood boats, that thin copper plates were screwed onto the hull over the prop and around the rudder. Get the correct prop!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-27-2008 at 12:54pm
Ricko, I found the other picture I was thinking about. It's on a Ski Tique and they were set up for 12" props. I can't tell for sure but it looks like it has a 13" prop on it. You'll notice the chucks of gel missing but also notice the large area where the gel looks etched. The prop burn or hull rash once through the harder gel, will erode into the polyester hull as well.
 ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: June-30-2008 at 11:05pm
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I bought the prop and bought the BS with it. I will call Delta Prop and have them order me in a 12". Funny thing though, I wonder if I had the right prop on it before. My boat has that rash in the same spot.
The guys from Acme Prop and Delta both said this was the prop. These are the people who are supposed to be the experts. I will take it back. Another trip across town. Thanks for the help!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: July-01-2008 at 12:45am
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Good Evening. There is 1" from the top of the prop to the bottom of the boat. I am really spooked at this point. I took her out tonight and opened her up. It felt like something was slipping. I slowed up and brought her back to the dock and trailer slowly. Checked the prop and it was on fine, I pulled on the shaft and it feels tight. Not sure if this whole prop thing has me scared to death.
I am upset because that last prop cost me $480 bucks. I don't blame delta. I just went in and bought what ACME Prop told me. I was told that they are the best by the Antique boat store in Cincinnati. I will call tomorrow and order a 12 LH 13 pitch. This will give me 1/2 more clearance to the bottom of the boat. Again, I have not run it wide open. But it cruises well at 3000 RPM. I have not felt any vibrations or anything like that. Since everyone is in agreement that I need a different prop, I will get it. Any other thoughts, please let me know. ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: July-01-2008 at 12:50am
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By the way, what does WOT RPM's stand for? Thanks!! ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: July-01-2008 at 1:32am
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Please read this post from Keith.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/articles/ACME_540_Prop.asp Very interesting. He has the same prop. ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: July-01-2008 at 1:34am
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WOT Wide Open Throttle .I dont know about youre specific boat . But I believe you should be running around 4800 rpm at wot .
Also if im not mistaken the acme props have a different rake to them . Which would put the blades on the prop back farther than on {lets say an O.J.} Which will increas the distance between the hull and the blade . You should have the same distance between the prop and hull , as what the thickness of your shaft is .Therefore if you have 1 inch space then you are ok .You still need to check your WOT to determine if you have the proper pitch . I believe if your not running an Acme , you should run a 12x14. This was the most common . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-01-2008 at 2:22pm
Quote by Woody: "Replacing 12" Props On the older non-Nautique Correct Crafts (like my Mustang) that came fitted with a 12" prop, you can move up to a 13" prop. Woody from Southeast Correct Craft recommends there be a minimum distance between the prop blade and the hull equal to the shaft diameter or there can be damage to the hull gelcoat over time. After you have installed your new prop, measure at a 90 degree angle from the shaft at the point where the blade is closest to the hull. If the distance is less than one inch and you notice extra vibration or at the first signs of marking on the hull right above the blade, you can send your 13" prop back to Acme and they will trim a little off each blade so that it fits you boat properly." Ricko, I'm one of the guys who had bad luck with the 540 replacement for a 12" prop. The vibration was so bad that I knew what was going on and only ran it for about 20 minutes! Trimming is not a option as far as I'm concerned. (and others) Why buy a fancy CNC prop and have it turned down - get a OJ prop instead! BTW, I really don't think that Acme is as "tuned" into the older boats like they would like you to believe!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: July-01-2008 at 10:25pm
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I obviously agree with Pete ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-02-2008 at 9:49am
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Ricko, I'm going up north for a week and will be taking the 540 that didn't work on my Tique with me. The plan ever since I tried it on the Tique was to try it on my friends Barracuda just to see what happens. I'll take some pictures and post them a lond with the results. It should be interesting!!! I'll have the results after the GL reunion. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-02-2008 at 12:47pm
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Pete, just to throw a wrench in here- I have what appears to be a 13" prop on my Skier. Hull clearance is ~1/2", maybe less. No vibrations to speak of at all- and the boat runs strong. I have no idea how long this particular prop has been on the boat (probably not long), but I have no markings or discoloration due to the minimal clearance, let along any damage. My plan is to swap it out for a 12x13 OJ as soon as possible, as I think thats the ideal prop for the boat- but it just goes to show that every boat responds a little differently.
If the OP has 1" or more clearance with the Acme, I say run it and see if you like it. I bet he will. My guess is that it will leave some top end on the table compared to the OJ, but all around performance should be awesome. ------------- |
Posted By: ricko1
Date Posted: September-22-2008 at 12:04am
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Good Evening my Friends,
It has been a crazy summer and my apologies for not being on lately. Had a problem with the ole boat. Seems one of the ground disintegrated. I had to take her in to the shop where they put on a new coil, new module, and did something to the distributer. Nothing worked. The boat would still not fire. After tracing about every wire, they found a ground that had essentially withered down to nothing. They did some re wiring of the boat and it is running good. Real good. They said I should bring her in over the winter and have all the wires re done. They also said they wanted to do something with the ignition to reduce the number of wires? Any thoughts on this one. Any way, I took her for a spin and it was great to be back on the water. Next problem, Ricko is having surgery next week so my season is about over in a week. I will not be allowed in a car for 4 weeks, I asked the Dr. if that included boats, he didn't find it to funny. I did hear some good news for my fellow owners of these awesome boats. Seems the value is steadily rising as first fiberglass boats are now becoming more and more people are looking for. I am going to bring her back to orginial and keep it that way. It's All Good has been a lot of fun and I enjoy having her. Take care and have a good evening. Ricko ------------- It's All Good II |
Posted By: tleed
Date Posted: September-22-2008 at 5:47am
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Ricko,
I'm in SW VA, which isn't as far from you as you might think. I also have a '69 Barracuda with a Chrysler 318. Mine got a Dakota truck block, too, but I made sure I stayed with reverse rotation. That meant a special cam, since I used a roller cam block. Judging by your posts, I'm betting that doesn't mean much to you, but I encourage you to hang in there. I started reading Car and Driver as a young teen and didn't understand half of what they were talking about, but eventually I caught on to the specialized terms. Do some searches on this site and you might find answers to the puzzles and extra missing pieces in other threads. As for my prop, I went oversized and don't regret it a bit. I'll have to check the size and brand. I celebrate the day I whanged the tiny original prop on a very solid rock and destroyed it. The prop, not the rock. Performance went steroidal. Final note: when my boat "slipped" it turned out to be a seriously trashed transmission. After a couple of rebuilds, I finally opted for a new tranny, and haven't looked back since. ------------- Thomas 1974 Southwind 18 with 318 cubic inches of reverse rotation roller cam "Moparvation" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-22-2008 at 7:34am
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Ricko, Good luck with the surgery. Hope it all goes well without any problems so you can get back in that boat!
I can only think of one thing regarding the shop wanting to reduce the number of wires. Some times through the life of a boat, things (with wires) get added on or problem are corrected by adding wires without much thought. I've seen some real "rats nests"!! Maybe the shop wants to start over with the wiring to clean it all up. Considering your ground problem, that's not a bad idea. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |