neck braces
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Printed Date: April-27-2024 at 6:54pm
Topic: neck braces
Posted By: 75 Tique
Subject: neck braces
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 12:43pm
Looking for input/feedback on neck braces. So far I know of two. Barefoot central's which is supposedly the definitive brace. Only downside I can think of is, it's pricey ($100)(but then so is being paralized from the neck down)
An alternative is the Lake Elmo one ($45), which I have seen (Brad has one)but that I passed on trying because it appears to me that the buckle in the front could OJ your throat pretty easily. 
After watching a football game last week, I noticed what some of those guys wore. ($50) (too bulky?) 
Any one have any other ideas? ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 1:52pm
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I have the BFC one. The buckle into my adams apple does not look fun.
I don't wear my BFC brace with my drysuit, Chuck says you can and I've seen him wear one with his Ocean Rodeo suit, but it ain't happening with my OS Breeze. I suppose you could wear the Elmo one over a drysuit just fine. ------------- |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 4:12pm
I can wear my Barefoot International one with my drysuit. Its a bit bigger than the BFC one. I never back barefoot without my neck brace on. Tim ------------- |
Hollywood wrote:Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 4:48pm
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Tim,
I'm not familiar with a BI neck brace. Looked all over his website but can't find it. Can you help me track it down? ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 5:23pm
I don't know if they make them anymore?? ------------- |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 7:54pm
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Recently bought one from BFC. Think it's well worth it. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 8:02pm
Neither do I Tim. But then again, I've never back barefooted.  ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: LaurelLakeSkier
Date Posted: December-15-2009 at 12:42am
Another model is available from http://proshop.ronscarpa.com/eqnbm.aspx - Ron Scarpa . It is similar to the Lake Elmo model but with velcro rather than a buckle and priced at $50.
Having said that, along with the others, I own the BFC brace.... |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-15-2009 at 1:43pm
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I had a football "cowboy collar" because I had it laying around. I never had any issues while using it other than it wasn't very comfotable.
I then got a Scarpa after going to his clinic. Soon after I had a bad backward fall and really screwed my neck up. It hurt my neck just below where the brace was. I threw it away. (Neck is still screwed if I sleep wrong) I then did some research and bought the Barefoot Central brace. It is much better and I have not had any more issues with whiplash. It is well worth the extra money!!! ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: December-15-2009 at 2:40pm
Ill come up and teach you....or you can come over here.... :) Tim ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: December-16-2009 at 2:24am
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We use the BFC model here. No backwards without it. Well no footing at all for me for 6 weeks. Tweaked my right knee a good one a few weeks ago. Tried the "man cure" (it'll go away) but gave up and went to the Orthopedic dr today. Strained ligaments...told to stay off it. Not to easy with my work. Well I'll just have to drive for Eddie for awhile.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:07pm
come on do you guys wear helmets too  ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:10pm
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Maybe we just aren't as tough as you. ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:40pm
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my point is if if you have to wear all that gear then stop barefooting ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:46pm
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send me a picture of any well known even over the age barefooter wearing booties a neck brace and a helmet .dont exist ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:47pm
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duly noted
this is the neckbrace thread, not booties and helmets ------------- |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:50pm
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When I went to Scarpa's barefoot school he wore a neck brace even when he shoe skied. He is actually the one who convinced me it was safer to use a neck brace. Like I said, maybe you are tougher than all of us. ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:51pm
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didnt mean to touch a nerve just voicing an opinion ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:51pm
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He also taught me to wear padded shorts under my suit. Should I stop footing because of that too? ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:53pm
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i skied with scarpa in winterhaven when he lived down the street and never saw a neck brace ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:54pm
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Thank you for your opinion, it's been very helpful. ------------- |
Posted By: Wacko
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:56pm
| It has been mentioned in this thread that the neck brace is more for Backwards footing, why is that? |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:56pm
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Maybe I imagined it, I didn't live down the street from him.
Thank you for your opinion, it has really helped the original poster with his question. ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:56pm
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GARSH YOU GUYS ARE SO SENSITIVE ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:57pm
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The neck brace makes me that way. feminine=sensitive ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 8:58pm
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i dont know wacko do you take to heart every thing you hear ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:01pm
Can't speak for Wacko, but I do  ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:07pm
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oh come on hollywood are you being facetious ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:09pm
Yup....on my Hydrofoil. ------------- |
Posted By: Wacko
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:10pm
I was just wondering what the reasoning was? It doesn't seem like my neck would be at more risk when footing backwards? Not trying to add to the argument just asking for my own curiosity. |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:11pm
im sure you do james  ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: LaurelLakeSkier
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:25pm
It is a hard fall because your head is thrown back on the fall.....kind of like a whiplash injury. In addition, when going out the back, you really don't have much chance and aren't in position to tuck and roll with the fall. Even though the speeds are usually a bit slower than forward speeds, the falls can really ring your bell and the neckbraces do help avoid injury. One other thing that was pointed out to me (that I found that helps) is to keep your head rolled back tight to your shoulders--head up. In that position, it doesn't have far to travel after the fall and really cuts down on the amount of stars I see after a fall. |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:25pm
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Do you guys ever have problems with water in your ears? I was wondering if a helmut would help with that?
Maybe a neck brace is a great idea. Seems a face plant going forward would screw your neck, too. ------------- |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:31pm
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Wacko, when falling backwards it is hard to keep your head tucked and on hard,surprising falls you can get a touch of whiplash when you smack the water. The brace limits how far your neck can snap toward the middle of your shoulder blades. On front to backs it can be worse (for me) because you are traveling at a higher speed (than plain back footing) and the falls tend to be not so graceful and out of position. I tend to fall more times than not. I don't wear one for front footing but after hundreds of falls while you are trying to learn and master a trick it can take a toll on your neck.I remember one day I fell probably 40 times on the shoes while trying front to back and another 5 or 6 on my feet. If you are a natural footer and learn without any nasty falls you are lucky. ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:35pm
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Oh yeah, I put tape over my nose too. Bad sinuses. Almost forgot, I wear a banana cup for back deeps. Is that acceptable? ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:38pm
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you can break your neck with a front fall just as quick as with with a backward fall ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:42pm
james you wear a banana cup padded panties and a cowboy neck brace did you you use to be a rodeo rider or are you still talking about barefooting  ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:43pm
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and duct tape on your nose ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: 502Python
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:43pm
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Like I said, I must not be as tough as you. Or, maybe, you don't have any balls so you don't even need a cup? ------------- 1999 Sport Nautique-Python Powered 1999 Ski Nautique-Python Powered |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:52pm
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been barefooting for 35 years and never wore a cup or padded panties .other than my wet suit i do wear a nose plug on deep water backs, and no i havent been neutered ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 9:54pm
OK, everybody out of the sandbox.  ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-17-2009 at 10:23pm
 good one------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 11:24am
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The neck brace for me is the difference of a week of neck pain after a bad back fall vs. just some pain when it happens.
Tim ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 12:06pm
Do you wear a clit clip too? I suppose that makes sense since you haven't been neutered. I don't think anyone cares what you wear barefooting. Unless you have a neck brace suggestion, or a word of caution with any of the models you're not adding anything to this thread. Actually, you're making yourself look like quite an ass. We get your point, you think we're all pussies. Thanks! ------------- |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 1:10pm
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you know what hw if by voicing an opposing opinion and being sarcastic youve been an ass on here quite often , if you will read back youll see that you and python started throwing out the snide remarks. i just reciprocated ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 1:21pm
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Oh, my fault for not catching your sarcasm. For the last time, what else do you have to add to this thread? I've already wasted enough space engaging you, turning to ignore now. ------------- |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 1:44pm
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you know what hw its still a free country so do as you wish ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 1:44pm
I have seen a number of 200' plus jumpers wear this! Also Jon Travers (Pro slalom skier) wears something similar. ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 2:25pm
They must be wimps who should get out of the sport. I think the following should quit their sports/careers too for they are obviously too wimpy to be particiipating in them: Wimpy football players that wear pads, helmets, cups, mouthguards Wimpy race car drivers that wear helmets, flame retardant suits, hans devices Wimpy cyclists that wear helmets Wimpy motorcyclists that wear helmets, shin guards Wimpy hockey goalies that wear masks, gloves, pads Wimpy marksmen that wear ear and eye protection Wimpy boat racers that wear life jackets and helmets Wimpy doctors and EMTs that wear masks and gloves Wimpy fireman who wear boots, helmets, shields, turnout gear Wimpy hazardous response professionals that wear suits, respirators, gloves, boots Wimpy body shop workers that wear respirators Wimpy soldiers that wear helmets and flak jackets Wimpy paratroopers that wear parachutes For crying out load...what happened to all the men? ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 3:06pm
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They all moved to Cape Cod and became Lobster fishermen!!!
Hey have you been to the Lobster boat races?? Some of those things fly. ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 5:48pm
They call them Lobstermen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5v6PGDkqE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5v6PGDkqE Larry, it's a wonder you're not all busted up! ------------- |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: December-18-2009 at 6:52pm
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those lobster boats are bad ass ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: January-25-2010 at 5:38pm
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Many thanks to those of you that offered constructive comments. My BFC neckbrace arrived today. I still think $100 is ridiculous for what you get material-wise, but certainly worth it pain and safety-wise. Since I couldnt bring myself to ponying up that kind of dough, I sold some crap on ebay I had laying around till I had enough in paypal and then ordered it. Only thing I regret is having to sit and stare at it for the next four months. Hmmmmm...River Run??? ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-25-2010 at 5:43pm
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Larry, what about ear protection. Are ear infections common for barefooters? If so, what do you suggest besides bathing caps? ------------- |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: January-25-2010 at 5:59pm
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Bruce,
I recall you asked about that earlier in the thread. Are the boys having trouble with ear infections? I never had that problem, although I have ruptured ear drums on a number of occasions to the point where my hearing is rather affected on one side. Unless you take a hard fall, I dont see water in the ear any worse than skiing, but I could be wrong. A swim cap could work, although that might look as goofy as my goggles, nose clips, neck brace..... Ear plugs are a possibility, but definitely DO NOT use those plastic tree looking things that stick into your ear canal. A good twisting fall and those suckers would be jammed three inches into your brains. I used to buy those soft waxy moldy kind when I was having my ear drum problems and make sure they covered my outer ear so they can't get jammed in. I used to tinker with a toe-hold handle years ago and when falling, I would tend to torque to the side...not a pretty fall, ear-wise. My son has trouble with in-the-water related ear infections, not necessarily from skiing, just being in the water in general. He was given some drops to use before going in the water that may help. Guess they form a barrier against intruding water, but I am guessing that theory might not hold water (ha ha get it) when that intruding water is intruding at 40 mph! ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-25-2010 at 6:09pm
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I didn't know if a good dragging through the water flushed everything out so much that it caused problems. Bathing caps are not an option. It wouldn't bother me, but funny how stuff like that bothers younger people. I remember your Thomas asking you when you and Quinner were donning those orange vests, " why are you doing this"? ------------- |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: January-25-2010 at 7:00pm
I have a bottle of hydrogen peroxide in my boat. When the water starts warming up I always just put a capful into each ear at the boat lift. It pops and sizzles Tim  ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 12:23am
Bring it down here and me and Eddie will put you and your new brace in the water. Me..I will drive..knee still giving me trouble. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 4:37am
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Wanted to try my new brace from BFC down at St. John's, but did not get the chance. I think I'm going to book some instruction from Andre De Viller this spring. I'm sure I'll get some use out of it learning a consistant back deep. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |