Stalls when shifting into FWD
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Topic: Stalls when shifting into FWD
Posted By: cool hand
Subject: Stalls when shifting into FWD
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 11:57am
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Hello I'm new here, my name is Luke and my wife and I just purchased a 92 sport nautique last thursday. I was pointed here from the2001.com
We used the boat saturday and sunday flawlessly, very happy with our new purchase. Loaded the boat sunday night and headed for a different lake monday. Within the first hour of running the boat on a different lake we began to have issues with engaging FWD gear. If running in idle, REV works great, but FWD requires a quick shift in which it'll cough and sputter a bit, but usually muddle through. Just clicking it into FWD causes it to cough, sputter out and die. Then it will not restart, unless using lots of throttle with the button pulled out to allow for revving, thn a quick shift into FWD. I have 2 theories, but having only had the boat for about a week have limited knowledge to work from. 1. I filled up monday morning at a citgo in a small town and only put 89 octane in it. I did not think this through ahead of time and maybe higher octane would be better, though that doesnt really jive with reverse working normally. We ran 2 tanks of 93 in it the 2 days before because that was what was avaiable on the water. 2. Is there some sort of ignition interupt for the transition between neutral and FWD that could be out of adjustment? I notice that the knob that gets pulled out to free rev the boat rolls to engage the transmission. I should also add that it seems to run like a champ once muddling through this issue, the boat has 785 hours an seems to run very well, but I do not have another inboard to compare it to. Any suggestions??? I don't feel like its a carb issue as REV works very well and when it dies after trying to go FWD you have to clear the carb before it'll restart like it flooded or something. Heres the thread from the2001 I chimed into another thread which seemed very similar. Thanks for helping out the new guy. http://the2001.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2270 - thread ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 12:10pm
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Guys,
Read the thread that Luke linked before commenting. Some things have already been discussed. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 12:24pm
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well I can't get to the link from work but my first thought is the cables are out of adjustment. I don't see an issue with the octane of the gas, unless there was water in it, but that should have been caught in the seperator, so unless it is old and needs replaced not too worried about it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 12:32pm
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Ethanol + Water mixed won't get caught in your separator.
I run my tank dry at least once a month to make sure I am not building up the water & ethanol mixture. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 12:49pm
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What is the process for verifying the shift cable beiing adjusted correctly? It definitely seems like its related to something in the shifting process. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 1:03pm
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I would start on the throttle side of it, but with the engine off disconnect the spring loaded connector on the end of the cable at the carb. Move the shifter into the forward detent, neutral to the first click on the throttle. Look and see if the connector on the end of the cable and the attachment point on the lever arm of the carb are lined up, if not adjust it untill it is. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 1:10pm
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Chris,
Since you can't open the link, here's two posts from the link that may shed some light on the problem.
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dyermullet wrote:Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 1:13pm
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You might try to temporarily short out your NSS (nuetral safety switch) there are two white wires that go to it on the tranny. The NSS keeps the boat from starting in gear.
Tim ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 1:16pm
Tim, The NSS doesn't come to play here. The engine is already running. The NSS only prevents cranking when not in neutral. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 1:20pm
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Wow...your right. Not sure why I was trying to link that to your ignition theory.
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Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 1:44pm
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Local boat guru I just talked seems to think its in carb. In the boat buying process I found MD boats on the northeastside of indy that seemed helpful and knowledgeable. I hate to pay to have someone fix a boat I just bought though?
How do these transmissions work specifically. Looking at it briefly leads me to the believe that when the knob rolls it engaged either FWD or REV. There doesnt really seem to be the noticeable clunk into get like I/O's I've dealt with. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 2:10pm
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well the accel pump isn't in this equation at all. I would do a test to eliminate the cable as an issue. But whiel your out floating, disconnect the cable at the carb and then shift it into gear. If it dies then the idle, timing or idle mixture screws or a combination of them are not adjusted correctly. If it doesn't die then the cable isn't adjusted correctly.
Where are you running the boat, Geist, Cicero, raccoon or monroe? or do you travel a little further out of drag race land? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 2:23pm
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The Marine trans is nothing more than a hydraulic pump on the front end. It supplies pressure via the FWD/NEU/REV valve spool to ether the FWD or REV clutch packs. The FWD clutch locks up the input shaft to the output shaft. The REV clutch locks up the input to a set of planetary gears reversing the input direction and then out the tail end.
The odd thing about this problem is it's fine in reverse and the reason I mentioned somethings going on in the trans. IE: if both the forward and reverse clutch packs are engauged at the same time due to snapped plates, then there's a trans lock up issue. BTW, The "clunk" on a I/O is due to the very crude dogs used in the lower unit. They are simply fingers that mechanically engauge with each other. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 2:30pm
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have you check the fluid level in the tranny? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 2:36pm
Well, dragrace land is where I call home, but we boat all over. Saturday and Sunday we were on lake james up in angola indiana (we have a lake house up there, we also bought the boat from dry dock up there) and monday we were on lake freeman with some friends. We also frequent raccoon and lemon lakes when we get a chance. We pretty much hunt for smooth water and a good party. I will try these tests soon. Is there a way to run these things on a hose like I do my sterndrives? ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 2:38pm
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Never thought to check the fluid, I'll do that tonight also. So its like an automatic transmission in a car vs a manual like sterndrives. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 2:47pm
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yes simular to an automatic. You can run it in the drive with a hose but you really can't shift it into gear without screwing up the cutless bearing in the strut for the shaft. You could disconnect it at the coupling and enguage the tranny without any harm but your not duplicating the same conditions as it would be on water since there isn't a load on the tranny created from the prop turning against the water. If you want to head to Cicero afterwork next week let me know I could come over and take a look if you don't have any luck figuring it out before hand. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 3:53pm
| Do you have a cut off safety switch up by the throttle on that boat? Maybe there is a short in it that is trigger when you push forward on the throttle. I know it is a long shot, just trying to throw ideas out there! |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-08-2010 at 6:58pm
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Well it looks like Dry Dock is stepping up. They've told me to take it over to N3Boatworks and they'll bill dry dock. So far and very happy with Dry Dock Marina in Angola, Indiana. I'm anxious to hear what the pro's have to say. We sure love this boat so far. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 1:03am
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Bump to Eric. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 9:36am
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Lucas,
I'm glad to hear that you're being taken care of. N3 will find the problem. Don't forget to keep us informed on what they find. I'm surprised that Eric hasn't picked up on this thread yet. Usually he's on site by now!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 9:53am
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I just picked up on this one, lets see what they say over at n3, good guys btw ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 9:57am
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also, What trans? PCM 40 or 40a? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 7:29pm
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I'll have to look into the transmission as I do not know what it is.
N3 had it for a couple hours this morning. Said the idle was set to low and the mixture screws on one side of the carb were way off. That seems like an awefully easy fix, but I guess we'll find out if i get time this weekend. So far high praise for N3 and Dry Dock. Far better than some of the others I've used. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 8:04pm
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Lucas,
It will be interesting to see if they find more issues! Eric, I still don't understand why it stalled in forward and not reverse! Did the gear reduction in reverse give the engine a mechanical torque advantage and in forward the low idle was just enough to kick it "over the edge" and kill the engine? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: rogier
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 9:32pm
| Having exactly the same problem on my 1992 sport nautique! I just put the idle very high to get rid of it. My engine is perfectly tuned by the way, also no problems restarting, since it runs on propane. Always very smooth and almost starts before you touch the ignition key. |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-12-2010 at 1:27pm
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Issue is not resolved. Boat is back at N3.
PCM 40 transmisssion N3 just bumped the idle when it was in there friday. Debatable if it resolved anything. I'll update as I know more. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-22-2010 at 6:10pm
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Ok, so I call N3 this morning because I've leaving for dale hollow saturday morning (keep in mind I originally took it in on July 9th) and leave a message. They call me back to tell me that now the boat does not even run, and I either need to rebuild the carb or put a new one on. I'm a bit bewildered that they have the boat for 2 weeks and now (the day before I load up for a week on a house boat) its completely unusable and the only options they give me are to pay them to get the boat back running. After calming down and taking a walk I realize they've put me over a barrel and I have to pay them to do the work or not have my boat as they've left me no time to think this through or explore other options. They said they'd have it ready today, so i guess we'll see what happens. I just hope they get it fixed and it doesnt ruin our vacation. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-22-2010 at 7:45pm
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Lucas,
I'm sorry to hear about the issue. Did you opt for a new carb or are they going to rebuild the old? I'm still curious about a earlier question to Eric:
Maybe he'll pick up on it and comment. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 9:43am
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no not really, its pretty vague, the drescription, it stalls,
lets wait and see what they say, id hate to lead him in the wrong direction ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 11:26am
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Ok, so big thumbs down for N3 at this point.
So I authorized them to put a new carb on it if thats what they thought they needed to do. They're the experts, or so I thought. Call them at 430 (because they close at 5 and had heard nothing) and they say they're out water testing it, come on over it'll be ready when you get here. So I get there, talk to the tech, he says he couldn't get it to run at all with a brand new carb, so he cleaned up the old one and put it back on and took it out and tweeked it as best he could. He put new plugs in it, a new belt and a new battery because somehow my perfectly functioning battery went bad in their possesion. He then proceeds to tell me that he's not completely sure its fixed because today (3 weeks after the initial drop off) that it sounded like there was a bearing noise when it was trying to die, but it should aleast run as good as when I brought it in. So at this point its 6pm, I need the boat back because I'm leaving TODAY and I agree to buying a battery a belt and plugs. In turn I get a bill for 560 bucks. I was so mad that point I just paid it, walked out the door and went home. On the way home I started thinking about this. They sold me a bunch of stuff I didnt neeed when I went in there, I'm now out 560 bucks (dry dock retracted their initial offer to help) my boats not any better than it was....and to top it all off, when i got home and looked at the boat it was compltely covered in black greasy hand prints and looks like hell. I'm 100% unhappy with N3 as at this point they've hosed me for 560 bucks and done nothing but keep me from having my boat until the last possible minute before my trip. I dealt with Luke and Tim at N3. I told them when I took it in that it wasn't a carb issue, but they spent all they're time trying to fix a problem that was not there. They tried to sell me a carb, but couldn't even get it to run on that carb, and to top it off they trashed my boat and killed my battery. Did Dry Dock pimp me sending me there? I'm just absolutely beside myself right now as I'm ready to leave for a trip and the Correct Craft stealership has not fixed my boat, trashed it and charged me 560 bucks for my inconvinience. I left Luke a message lastnight telling him exactly how I felt, but I'm sure I'll hear nothing back because he has never once called me in this entire process. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 12:44pm
WOW sorry to hear, if you have some tools at the house and have an hour this afternoon, I could swing past I'm just over here by the airport. If I can't fix it I'm sure I can narrow down the problem so you know exactly whats wrong and needs replaced, It'll Cost you a beer afterwards though, I know it's a steep price but that's my going rate and I'm not changing it  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 1:29pm
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Lucas...first off, this sucks, and sorry to hear about it.
2nd off...This is the 2nd time that Chris(79) has offered to personally take time out of his day to help you out...I'm thinking you might want to take him up on his offer. And his rate seems pretty reasonable. ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: rogier
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 1:45pm
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Incredible, not acceptable and I would expect them to refund. Making our shared problem clear for Eric I would like to share the following:
From neutral to reverse is very smooth. You don't hear anything, revs remain the same and the boat starts backing up slowly. From neutral to forward the RPM drop below neutral RPM. If you leave it at in FWD the engine is struggling at +- 550 RPM and it almost stalls and eventually it does. You have to add some throttle for a two seconds and after that it will run at idle RPM with the throttle in the position it was when almost dying at 550RPM coming from neutral. Once I've been stuck in mud with a 2007 Air and the experience was exactly the same, something appears to be generating resistance. In neutral I can turn the shaft by hand easily and the engine runs great. Does this sound the same for your FWD-idle-problem? |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 1:49pm
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What a maroon, they all clank when they are about to stall. What would he do next, tear apart the engine?
The other carb likely came off some other guys' boat who also wanted it for the weekend. stay clear. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 2:28pm
What is time good for you? Do you prefer 24oz beers or do i need to go to the store and find a different size. I promise whatever size and brand they will be cold. I'll PM you my number. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 2:36pm
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Spoke with Mark at N3. He was apologetic for the poor communication and the dirty boat. He did feel that his 109/hr labor rate was acceptible and the fact that he charged me 3 hours that resulted in nothing more than replacing a battery that they killed, and replacing a set of plugs that I didn't need was appropriate.
I'm sure I'm somehow atleast partially to blame, but I've been a ski nautique nut (grew up on lake james in angola), my entire life and I'm just beside myself with this situation. Thanks everyone for the input. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 2:36pm
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Bud select, Bud or Coors ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 2:59pm
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your PM might have went into my spam directory and I can not view them on my cell phone or at work so call me at 765-425-5744
chris p.s. I leave work at 3:00 so i need to hear from you before that. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 3:16pm
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Pete,
Pending any engine tuning issues that might cause this, you sure seem like you're on the right track with the trans. issue causing this. Are there any pressure taps on that transmission that you could throw a gauge on so you could verify that no pressure is getting to the reverse clutch feed? ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 3:29pm
My feeling is that the cable and carb are out of adjustment a little and I'm going to start there and then move forward, only downside, working in the driveway and no load, Hopefully Eagle creek or another close by pond has a ramp to back the trailer down so we can load the tranny and verify it's working. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 3:47pm
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The no load in the driveway may actually help you narrow it down to engine tuning vs. transmission issue. If it's still stalling out of the water with no load when you shift into Fwd., then it may be time to ship the trans to Ohio.
Either way, good luck, and good on ya for personally going and trying to save his trip to Dale Hollow.  ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 4:10pm
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well hopefully he calls pretty soon, I can't get to my yahoo account here at work and usually the CCFan mail goes into the spam folder and I can not get to the folder using my cell phone only the inbox and I haven't seen anything. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 4:16pm
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I personally dont think its a trans issue,
it would be nice to have a live feed......lol, decription is key, but he does mention resistance and honestly there is more resistance in the trans when going into reverse. in forward everything is locked and only 2 bearings spinning....you have to take into account thrust, in and out, its possible that a needle bearing from thrust forward is creating the resistance. get 79 down there and let him take a peak. if i was a betting man, its something simple ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 4:33pm
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That and he states he can drive out of it with a little throttle too ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 4:42pm
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Chris, do PM's actually work for you on CCF? Sending an email through CCF does work, but the PM section does not operate for me, or for many other people on CCF.
I sure hope this is something simple, and if it is, why the hell can't the dealer fix it? It's unnerving to hear that they will change plugs batteries and carbs on a whim. Sure, they love to do that, it makes them money. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 4:51pm
bump ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 4:58pm
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He is online so I wonder why he ain´t called ya by now?
hope to have news here... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 5:02pm
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Ok, got a hold of chris. You guys are great!! ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 5:20pm
Don't get us started.... ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 5:21pm
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Might wanna have a camera handy and post some pics of the gathering!!!
CCF members meeting to help each other are way cool... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 6:05pm
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not sure if you want to see our sweaty aces it's smoking hot today and the humidity is out the roof. Heading over that way now so I'll see what's up. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 6:18pm
Notice I said "dealer"?  ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: July-23-2010 at 6:19pm
i´m freezing down here so some guys in sweated t-shirts is a nice turn on for me..  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-24-2010 at 12:52pm
that is just sick in so many ways. But What I found yesterday was, a loose, cable on the new battery install, a loose spark plug, and several loose carb bolts, and throttle cable adjustment issues as well. So what I feel was the main issue and I hope I corrected the issue since we didn't water test it, but the cable adjustment being off actuall was pulling it off the idle curcuit and I think there might be some varness on one mixture curcuit, so I made some adjustment to the carb and linkage and hope all is well. I pointed out a couple things for him to check and adjust once he's on the water so hopefully they no issues on vacation. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-24-2010 at 2:52pm
Chris, It sure was great of you to help out. Nice. Sure sounds like N3 put the kid out back sweeping the floors on this one!  It sure is disappointing to hear about them.
But, it looks like they still charged full rate!!:
 ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: July-29-2010 at 7:20pm
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-30-2010 at 12:18pm
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well I'm a little worried actually. Monday laying in bed trying to go to sleep, I start to question myself, did I leave the inspection cover off the packing gland or did I re-install it, did he remember to check the adjustment and attach the saftywire after I tighten it up and explain to him how to adjust it and hope I left it off to remind him to check it when they got there.
I'm worried it backed off while he was driving then when they got back to the dock or house boat and it took on water....little anxiuos to say the least. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: August-02-2010 at 10:08am
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Update
Boat ran and did not sink. Not sure the packing nut is exactly right, but its good enough for now, though there is a bit of a story to tell with that. I'll print off a tutorial and set it up again for good measure next time out. I think the carb, while needing some adjustment and a good cleanup up is fine. I still think theres something lugging the drivetrain in FWD. When it engages is drags the engine down 750 to 1000 rpms causing a need for a 1200-1400 idle. We did this and it worked good enough all week (read not stalling on every engagement). Thanks to chris for stopping by and giving me the newbie once thru on nautique as I've still got a lot to learn. Now I got to get caught up on work here. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-02-2010 at 10:15am
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can you get under the boat and spin the prop easily with one hand? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: August-02-2010 at 2:40pm
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Define easily? Should I be able to spin it and how many rotations should it spin if I were to try and give it a wing?
Maybe i could get a turnover resistance using a small torque wrench. Havent checked, will try and check tonight. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: August-02-2010 at 2:49pm
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it will have a small amount of reistance but not much and it should be uniform for 360 degrees and it doesn't matter how many turns. If it sticks or has more resistance in one area verses another then the alignment is off and needs adjusted. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-02-2010 at 3:26pm
| Throw some water on the strut bearing and you should be able to rotate it with one finger. |
Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: August-09-2010 at 11:39am
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Ok, update time again.
Took it out lake freeman saturday and the engine ran good. If anything then engine seems to keep running better. However, in the water I was checking the resistance on the prop and there seems to be a lot. Definitely doesn't spin freely in neutral. Using my feet to spin the prop (neck deep in water), I could spin it with my feet, but it was fairly hard to rotate. Resistance seems the same both directions, but it I had to push with my foot fairly hard to get it to rotate at all. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-09-2010 at 7:35pm
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definetely looks like you need to work on the alligment..
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Posted By: cool hand
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 10:17am
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Spent a few minutes looking at it lastnight again. It seems to spin harder counterclockwise than clockwise. I read Erics alignment thread a couple times familiarizing myself with that process.
It looks like to really have good access to this stuff I need to pull the back seat that section of floor. ------------- Lucas Clark 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 10:23am
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figure the boat is 18 years old and probably never aligned, I think you'll be surprised ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: WakeskateNW
Date Posted: April-19-2017 at 3:14pm
| Can anyone confirm that it was a misaligned shaft causing stalling when shifting from neutral into forward? I am having the same issue in my '89; shifts perfect into reverse but stalls half the time when going into forward. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: April-19-2017 at 7:39pm
Well, Cool Hand hasn't logged in since Dec 2 2010 so I don't think you'll be getting an answer from him. I think I'd start by looking at making sure the throttle and shift cable and carb are adjusted correctly before assuming that an out of alignment shaft will cause your problem. It's gonna be out of alignment whether it's turning frontwards or backwards. You didn't mention whether you have a tough to turn shaft.in your boat. Being an 89 You would have a PCM transmission with a 1:23 to 1 fwd ratio and about a 1.8 to 1 reverse ratio but the slightly higher load due to the gearing difference when you put it in fwd is not the problem unless you have tuneup issues or like mentioned earlier, cable adjustment problems. |
Posted By: WakeskateNW
Date Posted: April-20-2017 at 12:25am
| swam under the lift today after my set to give the prop a spin, and I am happy to report my prop spins freely both directions with one finger. My idle was a little low but bumped it up to 10 with the engine warm. Still has the stalling issue so turning focus to carb tuning and cable adjustment. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: April-20-2017 at 10:47am
| Likely a vacuum leak or too lean air/fuel idle mixture. Start tuning and buy a cheap vacuum gauge. Vacuum should be at least 15 inches idling in gear pushing against the trailer. Also, check initial ignition timing. Retarded timing can make it lazy at idle. |
Posted By: WakeskateNW
Date Posted: April-29-2017 at 2:27pm
| Last night after running the boat hard across the lake I had a moment of clarity about my issue after paying close attention to the temp gauge. Following my hunch I pulled the thermostat housing and whaddyaknow?.... no thermostat! |
Posted By: MechGaT
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 5:44pm
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Help me out, how does the lack of a thermostat cause a problem shifting into fwd? ------------- '92 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: WakeskateNW
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 6:35pm
| Well the water in my lake is currently ice cold glacier run off and the engine couldn't warm up to a temperature it liked during normal operating conditions. it was just acting cold blooded all the time and apparently it was just enough to stall the engine. Unfortunately the local nautique dealer gave me the 160 stat instead of the 143 one I asked for but when operating at 180 degrees the shift issue is gone. Going to get the correct thermostat later this week and hopefully will see the temp gauge reading in the 160 range. |
Posted By: MechGaT
Date Posted: May-01-2017 at 3:22pm
| OK. I didn't realize no t-stat would cause that noticeable of a problem. |
Posted By: WakeskateNW
Date Posted: May-01-2017 at 11:19pm
| I bet most boats wouldn't have an issue running without a thermostat. My boat definitely prefers being warm. Perhaps that points to other underlying issues I haven't discovered yet. |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: May-02-2017 at 2:06pm
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WSNW - don't look too hard for a problem that is not there... Not operating an engine at temperature can have all kinds of different performance effects. get your thermostat in, and see if that corrects the issues you are having. Summer is coming!... supposed to hit 70 this next week |