Election 2012 Is Comming
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Topic: Election 2012 Is Comming
Posted By: 89Ski_Nautique
Subject: Election 2012 Is Comming
Date Posted: August-29-2011 at 12:17pm
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We have failed as a nation, in the last two elections to get the job done, 2012 is our next chance to bring Common Sense to the forefront as an objective and not a goal for how we govern our nation. Pay for Performance – we have to abide by that everyday, so why shouldn’t the state and federal leadership be held equally accountable for our nation’s performance? Moreover, they should only be entitled to what everybody else “receives” -> Social Security and National Health Plans.
So if a candidate is an incumbent or a lawyer, strongly consider voting for ANYBODY else that is a candidate. I submit we need to apply the following rules during the next election: Rule 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. Rule 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. Rule 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. Rule 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. Rule 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. Remember ELECTION 2012 IS COMING .....A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4577&sort=&pagenum=1 - 1989 Ski Nautique Former Boats: 1988 Dominique 1993 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: August-30-2011 at 3:25am
| Just like the saying..."absolute power corrupts absolutely". You sound like a conservative. Welcome to the club! I agree with what you write. Have you been following the "Debt" thread? Some good debate going on there. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-30-2011 at 9:57am
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now, just convince the other 299,999,997 ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: August-30-2011 at 10:53am
| 299,999.996 |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: August-30-2011 at 11:10am
| I think he means the other 29.99999997% that may disagree. |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: August-30-2011 at 10:34pm
| Including me there are only 299,999,996 left to wake up. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 1:03am
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Takes me 5 seconds to vote. "Spin" the wheel, click "yes" vote all Republican, and see ya...
Can not wait to November of 2012. Get this "A" Hole out of office. Tired of it!!!!  Hopefully the Americans will not fall for the "Silver Tongue Devil" Again!!
My point of view, they are all crooks, but from my 35 years of learning and education, I would much rather take my chance on a republican driving the wheel of this country, than a big spender, non-christian valued democrat. F'em!! They are the most the biggest idiots, no common sence folk I ever seen. And I am being serious. Not all, but MOST! Come on Perry!!   ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 1:20am
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Lee.....You forgot to mention the RINO's (Republicans In Name Only) Republicans. Clear them out too!!
By the way, Obama in NOT an A-hole. A-holes have a use. In fact, I think Obama has served an inadvertant purpose. He has awakened the sleeping giant (the American people) to what liberalism (or socialism if you like) is. We are firmly rejecting what he is selling. I think he will have a very hard time getting elected again. His mojo is gone. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 10:04am
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dont worry ski, i will cancel out your vote for Perry ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 10:08am
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its time to really seperate the church from state, to many decisions based on the so called almighty from the bible belt. hypicritical as hell.....I really fcn hate these guys that take the bible on their side to get the religous groups votes.
there is this thing called war, is it a turn the other cheek policy for the creator? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 10:40am
| I vote conservative. There isn't much difference between most Republicans and Dem's these days. One thing for sure whoever runs against Obummer has my vote. |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 10:52am
I think that will be the overwhelming majority! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Nautiquehunter wrote:Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 1:00pm
You got that right david.. I sure do hope so my friend.
Eric, you can cancel me out bro, but if you read the three previous post, we already up 3-1.. pubbys  
------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 1:04pm
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I kinda want to see a pubby in there, after all were dealing them the same hand we got dealt....boy we'll we have alot to talk about. after all the bm got in there from the pranksters who preceded him ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 1:05pm
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maybe the banks we'll give out some money again on a false handshake ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 6:34pm
I bet you are right. Put a pubby in there, corporate america will change too. the private sector will take off too. Put these lazy mo fo's back to work. Tired of supporting these illegals.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 7:28pm
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Yes sir, the republicans sure do have a great field. Do the republicans have a single candidate that thinks they can't "pray" away our problems? Oh, actually I think there is one. Huntsman, who actually said that the republican party is becoming the "anti-science party". The republican party is full of science illiterates waiting for the return of Jesus. But why listen to the subject matter experts when we are all so stuck in our idealist presupposed ways? After all it's not like science and engineering ever got us anywhere. Oh wait, that's right it was government employed scientists who invented TCP/IP the very technology were using right now to communicate on this site.. but I digress..
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Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 7:30pm
How are YOU supporting illegals? |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 7:45pm
Another liberal attack.  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 7:54pm
Why is Obama's aunt or uncle here?? How long they been here?? How come they have not been deported like the rest of them?? o I,m sorry, we have a liberal communist president. Perry just sent your favorite president bro a large bill to get rid of them. If I am not mistaken, tax payers pay for jails and prisoners which are full of illegals but your buddy likes to keep him in. http://news.yahoo.com/perry-bills-feds-349m-illegal-immigrants-144055496.html - Supporting illegals ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 7:58pm
What I beleive!!! 
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/ - Liberals versus Conservative Views I am on the right side of the page. The left side needs to get there head checked. SERIOUSLY!! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 8:09pm
OK Prisons via taxes. My favorite part of that article is: "Perry has been criticized by some fellow conservatives as being too lenient on illegal immigration issues. Unlike fellow GOP presidential hopeful Rep. Michele Bachmann, Perry does not think the U.S. should build a wall spanning the entire Mexican border. Perry also has supported discounted tuition rates for the children of illegal immigrants at Texas universities, and he has said Arizona's tough-on-immigration law wouldn't be right for Texas." I'm all for pulling our troops and putting them on the border. But why not just pray them away? |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 8:16pm
What if you don't agree 100% with either of those? Then what are you? As much as you like to lump everyone in one party or the other, not everyone aligns perfectly with one party. Not every one is a radical like yourself. And the part about global warming made me chuckle. "Change in global temperature is natural over long periods of time. Science has not shown that humans can affect permanent change to the earth’s temperature.Proposed laws to reduce carbon emissions will do nothing to help the environment and will cause significant price increases for all. Many reputable scientists support this theory." Case in point. Reputable scientists? That is a lie. Maybe 2% of professional scientists believe that..There are also 2% of Medical researchers who study Aids and think that HIV does not cause aids. Does anyone take them seriously? Nope.. So skicat, I know you don't think we landed on the moon, you don't believe in global warming, do you also think 9/11 was an inside job? |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 9:07pm
I think my point of that was to show that what Perry has to put up with as all these states along the border states, immigration is important for us down here. And though there has been articles which show false statements about what he supports. He has gone to the feds several time to upgrade border patrol, strenghten the border and was denied those times. As was Arizona was too. Since Obama has taken office there has been a more family killings, rapings, intruders on live stock etc and he denied not just texas but others the saftey we need down here to keep our citizens safe.And because deportation is an issue they get stored in jails and prisoners and tax payers are paying for it. Where you think this pray thing is coming from, I have no clue where you going with that but whatever. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 9:26pm
What if you don't agree 100% with either of those? Then you have problems, and need to find who you are what you stand for. Not every one is a radical like yourself? This is what is wrong with people. I do not even see it as a radical. Those views are from creation of the earth and follow along to the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence and christianity. Everybody wants to create there own rules which is fine, but when you want to make them change what is mortal or immortal, and how we are suppose to live to wrong and not right, then I have I problem with them. Its not real hard. I bet 60% of folks in America beleive what I believe. You would be shocked. So skicat, I know you don't think we landed on the moon, you don't believe in global warming, do you also think 9/11 was an inside job?[/ The global thing I can take and understand, human temp can change but dummy Al Gore made millions of a scam which global warming. No I do not believe in it one bit. It will be freeking 40 degrees on Thanksgiving, in Houston Tx this year. Yea I believe in it..
Was 9/11 a inside?? Crossed my mind, and thought but I seen hard facts of the sequence on how it happend and it was a terriost attack. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: August-31-2011 at 11:59pm
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So, what do you guys think of Obama's latest shenanigan? At the very last minute, he decides to give his "jobs" speech to a joint session of Congress next Wednesday night.....on the very same night and time the Republicans have had their first big debate scheduled, and which had been scheduled for a long time.
He knew it was scheduled that night so he decides to go piss in their Cherios. What an egomaniacal turd that guy is! I hope Boehner tells him to shove it! He couldn't possibly do it the next night because the NFL has its first game that night. He did that so he would draw independants away from the Republican debate. The guy is quaking in his boots that he is going to lose the election, as well he should be. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 9:47am
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I was talking to a higher up yesterday, works for the USPS, Now if you notice they quit saying on their commercials "$4.95 to ship anywhere in the US" so heres what happened, the once again *************** lobbyists employed by UPS and Fed-Ex went to congress and cried, they say the USPS is trying to create a monopoly on shipping packages. even at this level the free enterprise is attacking, business, so now they cant market $4.95 anymore in fears of stealing business.
really, WTF has the country become, you righties are waiting for your savoir, us lefties were looking for our savoir.....it aint gonna happen ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 11:18am
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One problem Eric! Who owns the USPS. We, the tax payers do. They are already operating billions and billions of $$$$ in the red, which is a perfect example of a government entity not being able to operate efficiently as a private entity.
So, I think we can make the assumption they already are not smart or efficient operators. At $4.95, my guess is it is an "at cost" or "below cost" transaction. It it were a private company shipping at $4.95, I would say....have at it! If you can ship at $4.95 and make a profit, more power to you. |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 1:21pm
You are ill-informed my friend. The United States Postal Service has not directly received tax payer dollars since the early 80's. The USPS only receives tax dollars for providing free mail to the blind and for overseas voters. But what do you conservative capitalists have to say about this article? http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/executive_excess_2011_the_massive_ceo_rewards_for_tax_dodging/ - Executive Excess 2011: The Massive CEO Rewards for Tax Dodging I will also add that pres Obama is an enabler and at least 10 of these guys mentioned in the article have substantive ties to Obama. |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 1:49pm
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Phospher....I will read the article as time allows. I sure hope Obama's boy Jeff Immelt of GE is front and center in that article, along with Warren Buffett. I understand he has some tax "issues" too.
On the USPS....I honestly don't know how they are set up or structured, but I do know they come to the Feds asking for bailouts on a routine basis, just as Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac do. Hmmmm! See a trend developing here?? Government entities=lose money>>>need bailouts. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 1:54pm
You got that right David. Pushed the speech back one day, and used "hidden" words that make him sound again of "stimulus" and raise taxes again. This guy approval rating has just creeped un 30%%. After next week, he and the demmy's have close lined themselves. It will not even be a race. Can you believe it?? Spend more money, and raise taxes. Keeps putting his foot in his mouth, and on the private sector. He is an idiot David. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 2:23pm
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Seems to me that Huntsman is by far the most reasonable republican candidate.
%20 - http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700175427/Jon-Huntsman-Jr-Controversy-over-Obama-speech-nonsense.html |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 5:30pm
False. Perry is and he has not even got into debates yet. He is the front runner and would expect him to remain the front runner. He is the most conservative candidate of them all would expect him and Romney to be the front runners. Romney is good and where he will get beat is social polocies where he stands in the middle. I was really hoping Newt was going to get in there. He has been there done that. But it will be fun till the final debate next year, commercials and watch the liberals try and try and try with there bashing and false stories cause they are gonna get there bottys handed to them. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-01-2011 at 10:43pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBohsCG8emk&feature=related - Simple Man ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 2:36am
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Skicat,
Have you ever heard "open mouth, insert foot"? Seth |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 10:09am
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first impression, snake (Perry)
obviously David the post office is suffering from Al Gores internet, they had the market cornered, and now they are looking down different avenues to produce income. Its easy to throw accusations out there on any of these politically charged threads, but if you start to break things down and go back to the core its easier to understand the down falls. I guess my entire point was the BS that goes on to compete and the roadblock lobbyists and congress put the Cabash on the post office to a road course of failure, maybe just large government? US government is very complicated, the economy is very complicated, I really think that there are many roadblocks and we commoners don understand full what goes on in government ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 10:13am
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receveived this in an emaill yesterday....
Subject: $50 Lesson I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do? ' She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.' Her parents beamed with pride. 'Wow...what a worthy goal.' I told her, 'But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house. ' She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ' I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.' ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 10:42am
^^^^^  ^^^^^------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 11:43am
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The post offices problems are their own making. Like many other "Businesses" they overspent for infrastructure and are dealing with a rediculously high labor/benefit situation. Example, the 10,000 person town I work in had a 1000 square foot post office that served us well for years. With the building boom 15 years ago they INSISTED that they needed a new post office to handle the growth so in went a 30,000 square foot post office Taj Mahal that currently serves 12,000 people. An absolute waste of money no matter who's paying for it.
I could care less if the postal service shut down tomorrow, fedex or UPS or a new entity would pick up the service and run it properly and at a profit. If prices go up because of it pay your bills on line, the only purpose they serve is to deliver junk advertising and credit card offers anyway. That place should be slashed to pieces and made to run profitably or ditch it. Have you ever seen all the stamp designs available over the counter, it's sickening to imagine what the design and production costs are these trivial wastes are. And then there's the postal worker that gets paid to mop the palace floor every single morning, unfreaking believable how that dump is run. While we're on the subject of the post office have you heard about the Obama stamp? 
The Postal Services created a stamp with a picture of President Obama on it. The Postal Service noticed that the stamp was not sticking to envelopes. This enraged the President, who demanded a full investigation. after a month of testing and $1.73 million in congressional spending, a special Presidential commission presented the following findings: 1. The stamp is in perfect order. 2. There is nothing wrong with the glue. 3. People are spitting on the wrong side. That's a joke obviously... well maybe not #3! ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 12:04pm
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The gov. should either sell USPS to UPS or hire people from the private sector and run it like a business. I've got postal relatives and they say who will deliver a letter to Timbuctoo for $.44? Not UPS. It doesn't matter, they are becoming obsolete due to technology. 10 years ago, the small 2 person business I worked for spent $300 per month in postage. Now, my 1 person business gets by with $44 worth of stamps for 3 months. Everything goes out email now. And when I do send out a package that may weigh 5-10 lbs, my grumpy postman rings my bell and tells me to call for a pickup so he doesn't have to carry it to his truck. He claims he doesn't have time to drive his truck back to my house. If I call, it puts off my pick up for another day. I'd make that guy unload trucks if I were his boss and keep him away from the customers. ------------- |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 1:08pm
How bout you hide behind your keyboard before I put my texas size booot in your little   . ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 1:16pm
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Alan,Greg, Steve and Bruce,
Great posts... ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 4:33pm
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so maybe the need for the post office has diminished unlike the pony express for its time, isnt it time to tear up the constitution? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 6:28pm
Parts of it need change. like the part where it says, "We the People" should be changed to "We the Government" and "we hold (some of these truths)to be self evidant that (some) people are created equal" and stuff like that ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 11:37pm
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Speaking of votes and 1 cancelling out another; answer me this:
Why don't we means test voters? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-02-2011 at 11:39pm
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And I heard a great line today-
"We're looting the future to bribe today" Mark Stein (I think) ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-03-2011 at 1:14am
And the moral of this story is...."Don't "mess" with Texas"
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-03-2011 at 8:55am
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Bruce, Alan, if ive ever seen a waste of fcng time, its in the private sector, Time Warner cable ran a new cable from the steel box to the side of my house, flagged it, I said are you going to bury that cable? nope, someone will be out in a month to bury it.....my fcn house looks like a fcn christmas tree without the bulbs.
hilarious, especially the one that they put in the front sidewalk crack and told me to put a welcome mat over it. HAVE SOME FCN pride. I would imagine the unions oversee these cry babies, funny, the guys whine and cry the most are usually the stronger members in the union......why is that? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-03-2011 at 8:55am
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btw, he sat in my drive for an hour or so too ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-03-2011 at 2:32pm
Phil I need to see a qoute on this, I have not heard any candidate suggesting that this is how they would handle problems. This seems to be your own bias making assumptions, and it hurts your credability. Solomon did not pray for God to solve his problems, he prayed for wisdom so he could effectively handle them himself. By your suggestions only athiest could be in politics (like there are not a few biases in that group). Would that be a representative democracy when 78% of the population believe in God? Why are you so against diversity? The separation of church and state was designed to keep the government from dictating a religion, not to eliminate religion from government. You have previously state you cannot say there is not a God, but by your statements you dont seem to hedge your bets on his existance (other than stating the building blocks of life where created .
Have you ever read the book of kings. When the Jews followed God they prospered, when they worshipped the idols of their neighbors they were conquered and carried away. After the tird or more time you read about this happening you start to cringe and think "Why can't they learn from history?" This country was founded with a stong religious background and prospered. Jesus advocated leaders be servants. I think that is exactly what we need. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-03-2011 at 2:39pm
So was Mc Cain. did you vote for him? Other synonyms of resonable = wishywashy, pole driven, without principle, lacking vision, no understanding of right and wrong, baseless, irrelevant. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 10:31am
 ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 11:12am
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I wonder how many gold teeth are in the Popes basement? is it the fear that if you dont believe that you will lose your spot in heaven? in other cultures you get 72 virgins,
so which one is it? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 11:17am
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how do you explain to Peter, because of the 8000, not counting the couple hundred thousand innocents that we wont discuss or so lives spent on the war on terror, the good Christian that he appears to be, that thou shall not kill.....is heaven a monopoly game with a get out of jail free card? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 11:20am
This is a GREAT question to pose to the career criminals and murderers who seem to have deathbed transformations to Christianity! |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 11:42am
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you got Bush's number? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 11:57am
| I got Obamas number! Why wouldn't he be a candidate? Isn't he guilty of any of these charges, or is he totally innocent? |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 2:48pm
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he went after the queen, (and got it) not the hive.
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Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 3:05pm
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Oh, I think he has gotten, and is still getting, more than his fair share of worker bee's (which I applaud by the way). Where Bush believed in interogating worker bees, Obama just kills them. How many detainees died from waterboarding?
By the way, if it weren't for Bush's interrogation of the detainees, Obama would have NEVER got him. I noticed thats one thing he ISN'T blaming Bush for
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 4:46pm
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in twenty years, when you say who got Bin Laden, what will be the answer? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 4:48pm
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BTW, helen Keller couldve found that cripple, sorry handicap ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 5:59pm
Hey, lets give credit where credit is due. Bin Laden was taken down under Obama's watch....and so was our economy. |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 7:00pm
Nice David. I had a few of my own, but... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 9:04pm
------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 9:34pm
You must do not know what the private sector does for the economy, wall street, and citizens of America.Gives small business and works with the citizens. Screw the unions, because that has been the problem, taxpayers are tired of state and goverment regulations and have to pay somebody 40.00 a hr to screw in a light bulb. Or 200.00 a hour too screw a screw in. F the union!! That is what bankrupted GM, and many, many others. Private sector gives you the right to work, and employ most of Amercia. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-04-2011 at 10:43pm
Seal team 6, I hope everybody remembers Obama took a week to not say no. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
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Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 8:35am
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 10:47am
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oh dont you guys worry, the economy is taking care of itself as the dollar de-values, in another year i should be able to get someone to paint my house for 200.00 bucks.
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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 11:54am
Wow buddy, do you ever have that bacerds. Try 200,000.00 when noone wants dollars...which is...like now! Why do you think gold is way up? And not just up...it's waaayyy up; uncommonly so and possibly a sign? A sign noone wants to read? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 11:58am
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Ever hear of these?
From Berkshares.org- What are BerkShares? BerkShares are a local currency for the Berkshire region of Massachusetts. Dubbed a "great economic experiment" by the New York Times, BerkShares are a tool for community empowerment, enabling merchants and consumers to plant the seeds for an alternative economic future for their communities. Launched in the fall of 2006, BerkShares had a robust initiation, with over one million BerkShares having been circulated in the first nine months and over 2.7 million to date. Currently, more than four hundred businesses have signed up to accept the currency. Five different banks have partnered with BerkShares, with a total of thirteen branch offices now serving as exchange stations. For BerkShares, this is only the beginning. Future plans could involve BerkShares checking accounts, electronic transfer of funds, ATM machines, and even a loan program to facilitate the creation of new, local businesses manufacturing more of the goods that are used locally. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 12:32pm
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Jimmy Carter smiles with every move Obummer makes.
Remember in November 2012 |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 1:49pm
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if you take an ounce of gold and put it away, chances are it will be worth more when you pull it out of your safe a year later, lately if you put a hundered dollar bill in there and pull it out it will trade for less of what it wouldve a year earlier, unlike gold or any precious metal, the reason gold is spiking is because it takes more of these hundred dollar bills to trade for it....golds up, the dollar is devalued....currency is a means of trade, thats it. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 6:58pm
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To bad my retirement is in dollars, which the left is doing its best to destroy. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 9:21pm
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start buying some metal, this time when your rightie buddy wants to steal it, he will need a gun ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-05-2011 at 9:23pm
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gold is suppose to double in the next 2 years, no early withdrawel penalties, no tax, pretty much a no brainer ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 11:00am
So I should hide behind the same keyboard you are, typing your nonsense? Internet threats, are so lame. F U ass hole. My comment was in reference to yours. I'll post it next. |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 11:02am
You said it right here. I wish you had a lick of good old Texas sense. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 3:00pm
U think!!! Who started it Mr. Wossy?? Me, hide behind a keyboard..  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 3:01pm
Hush up cheeezzeeee brain. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 5:48pm
You ask to see a quote, because you have not heard this. But then you try and tell me that it hurts my credibility and that it's me being bias. It seems that you should hold the bias and credibility judgements until I at least get a chance to respond and prove you ill-informed. Unlike most of you here, I don't talk out my a$$, I'm not an idealist, and I'm not committed to any one party. "Texas Gov. Rick Perry asked Christians to turn to God for answers to the nation's troubles as he held court Saturday over a national prayer rally attended by thousands of evangelical conservatives, an important constituency should the Republican seek the GOP presidential nomination." more:http://www.mlive.com/news/us-world/index.ssf/2011/08/perry_turn_to_god_for_answers.html "We see discord at home, fear in the marketplace, anger in the halls of government and as a nation we have forgotten who made us, protects us, blesses us. For that, we cry out for your forgiveness." Perry, who was raised a Methodist, called on God to impart "wisdom" on the U.S. president — without naming Obama — and prayed that God would "inspire" the nation's leaders, pastors, generals, and parents in "difficult times." Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Texas+Rick+Perry+president/5242384/story.html Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/does-the-lone-star-governor-have-a-prayer-or-a-major-catholic-problem/#ixzz1XCMQMTUa And don't preach your religious bull $*************** to me. Your religion or any other religion cannot stand on it's own two feet. Let's not get into this silly debate about your guys imaginary friend. We've been there more than once... You side with wishful thinking, I side with emperical scientific evidence. End of story. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 6:31pm
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To each his own Phil, I for one would like to see more wisdom from our leaders from whatever source it might originate, God knows they can use it. For those that believe, praying for wisdom for our leaders is not a bad thing and certainly does no harm to anyone else, it is also a completely different concept than stating a politician believes they can pray away all our problems. Obama believes he can spend away all our problems which is completely false but you support him. I still would like to know why you invest so much negative energy into something you do not believe exists. If it is nothing it should not mater. It takes something very real to get me that angry. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 6:43pm
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Also Phil, my tolerance for your antitheism, is growing short, I am offended by your references to my God as my imaginary friend. Using such references shows you to be intolerant, and hateful. This is no different than racism, sexism or any other "ism". ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 7:10pm
Don't make it sound like I'm a hard core backer of Obama because I'm not. I am not very fond of this president. I think he has bent over backwards for the conservatives. But that is a pointless argument here because you will just turn around and tell me how much of a liberal socialist he is. People have different philosophies and no matter what you tell or show them they will not change their views. If someone has that mentality what's the point of even having a discussion? And why do I "invest in so much negative energy...." It's because the impact it has. If you people would keep it out of the public sector then I would not have to voice my concerns. When we have people running for public office who think Praying can have a real impact I think we should all be concerned. But what I'm most concerned about is our scientific illiterate population. You guys only care about science when it fits your views, your ideals, your opinions. Perfect example global warming, if you don't "believe" in global warming your a science denier. Scientific consensus about man-made global warming which includes 97 percent to 98 percent of researchers in the field, according to the National Academy of Sciences is getting stronger, not weaker, as the evidence for climate change just keeps mounting. But Mr. Perry suggests that those scientists are just in it for the money. Thousands of scientists all around the WORLD are in it for the money! Yeah right!So I agree with Huntsman when he says the GOP is becoming the party of science deniers. Actually, becoming? It's been the anti-science party for a long time! |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 7:32pm
Then keep it out of public policy. If you guys did, you would never hear from us. And yes, it is very different. It only means I don't believe in your deities. That is it. I don't think you should be punished for it, nor do I think anything bad should happen to those that believe. I have no real hatred for people like you I only wish they would keep it to themselves and out of public policy! Very different. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 7:44pm
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There is nothing that says it cannot be a part of public policy, only that it can not be dictated, Very different. And whatever its forum it does not excuse your inconsideration for others. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 8:12pm
You are ignorant to the Treaty of Tripoli. Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." The country was not founded on Christianity and it certainly should not be used in policy making. Like I said, please stop your misinformation. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 9:18pm
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Dave,
Thats the liberal agenda. They have been wanting seperate church and state for a long time. Remember, when there fav president(Obama) tried to push through congress and uplift "IN GOD WE TRUST" from the currency we have in America. The liberal mind is ***************g weird Dave. Why do you think he and the wierd liberals you are discussing with are bashing the right, thinking that is what we do is pray pray pray. That is all they can come up with. It was written that way, we the people our christians, and they are not. They are probally athesist!!  God help there souls!! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 9:22pm
The country was not founded on Christianity and it certainly should not be used in policy makingQUOTE] You seriously have not read the Declartion of Independence, or the United Staes Constitution. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 9:37pm
You are correct we are founded on the principle of religious freedom and do not dictate a religion and are free to practice without prejudeice, But we were founded by primarily christians and the declaration of independance does say this, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" They certainly were not trying to keep faith out of government. Of course it may be wrong of me to look at the founding documents, rather than an obscure treaty, when looking at the founders intentions. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-06-2011 at 11:28pm
I will put my faith in my maker, you can put yours in the guys that gave us this! 
April 1977 ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 1:10am
The 1977 article. Why would we believe people who cannot predict the tempurature tommorrow with any accuracy, when they tell us what the weather will be in 20 years.
------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 1:33am
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Geesh....It didn't take long (in the scheme of things) for all the "climate scientists" to change thier mind and have the earth go from a new ice age, to burning up with global warming.
It think there it is now undisputable....The Global Warming/Ice Age crowd has absolutely no credibilty left. I guess Algore will have to find a new hoax to pursue and get rich off of. Maybe he can sell cow fart credits instead of carbon credits. |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 2:55am
Once again you are putting out misinformation and showing your ignorance. I don't think you do it on purpose you've just been blinded by YOUR biases. The fact of the matter is that in the 70's most scientific papers were already predicting global warming. Around 1970 there were 6 times as many scientists predicting a warming rather than a cooling planet. Today, with 30+years more data to analyse, we've reached a clear scientific consensus: 97% of working climate scientists agree with the view that human beings are causing global warming. Don't take my word for it check out the research yourself here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-basic.htm And I think there are a lot of you who could learn a lot if you spent some time on this site instead of watching and reading your regular pundits. http://www.skepticalscience.com/Newcomers-Start-Here.html - Educate your mind. Good starting point for newbies. If and only if you've read this stuff will I even begin to listen to your denial about global warming. You haven't looked at or learned anything about the data yet you still deny the science. If you did look at the science, perhaps you would begin to see how ridiculous your position on global warming is. Have you ever actually watched any global warming debates between scientists and the pundits who have convinced you that global warming is a hoax? |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 3:10am
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Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence (emphasis added). The subject may use:
* simple denial - deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether * minimisation - admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalisation), or * projection - admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 3:18am
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Phil , It is hard to look at the data when the people responsible for the studies are fighting the freedom of information act ans will not release it. if they are so beyond corruption and correct I would think they would gladley share it with everyone. No one has proved that global warming is man made. all they have proven is that we have weather. Always have and all ways will. The only constant about our limate is that it changes. I have looked at many studies. A few years ago a study published in the german version of science magazine studied glaciers in the Alps. They found wood fragments melting out of the glaciers. Carbon data revield that 7 diffeent periods during the last 55,000 years were warm enough that trees were growing where glaciers are now. You figure it out. Many studies seem to reveal that co2 follows global warming, not precedes it. A very recent study of global satalight cloud images shows clouds increase with co2 increase, not decrease like the global warming climate models ae showing. This one factor alone would decrease predicted warming by 30%. Remember a concensous of scientists stuck with the church when Galileo was saying the earth revolved around the sun. One man Galileo was right. A consensus is not science, it never has been. Science is proof that can be duplicated using the scientific method. A consensus is just a belief system or a religion. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 3:19am
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 3:31am
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Here is what an english court had to say about an inconvienient truth.
•The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct. •The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years. •The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming. •The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case. •The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm. •The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility. •The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim. •The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia. •The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing. •The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration. •The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim. Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/09/court-identifies-eleven-inaccuracies-al-gore-s-inconvenient-truth#ixzz1XEnqZu7r ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 4:36am
I'm not sure what your talking about when you say they are withholding information? If your talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy then you should read into it to see how it really turned out. Put down the drum you are beating and go do your own research and if you disagree with the overwhelming consensus of scientists aligned with the current hypothesis build you own models to provide an alternative hypothesis, the data is freely available. This link will get you started: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/ncdc.html So you choose to read only the 3% of climate scientists who don't believe in global warming? Any sources or papers you can provide on those very few studies? Did you even spend 10 minutes reading that site I posted? You shouldn't learn your science from political lobbyists. |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 4:37am
I've never seen the movie. |
Posted By: ononewheel
Date Posted: September-07-2011 at 8:06am
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So your evidence of global warming being false is,
an article from TIME in the 70's and an article by NOEL SHEPARD? (it's nice when you produce a conservative article but rail against me and others for post what you think is liberal) Fail. Half truth. Read what the English court actually said about the science claims in that movie. |