67 Wildcat - 426 Chrysler
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Topic: 67 Wildcat - 426 Chrysler
Posted By: JoeinNY
Subject: 67 Wildcat - 426 Chrysler
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 12:44pm
Well here she is, in need of restoration to her former glory but returned to the family and on the way to a proper home..
 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 12:47pm
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Was the doghouse frozen shut? ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 12:55pm
| What a beautiful boat! Looks like everything is there, even the scripts! |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 1:00pm
The trailer has those rare factory prototype trailer quides from Correct Craft that Gary S. has. Great looking boat.
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Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 1:02pm
Parts needed? I've got a Bearclaw vent, some of those bullet nose cleats.  Let me know!------------- 66 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5041" rel="nofollow - 93 SN If you're not living in NC, you're just camping out! |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 1:03pm
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The pictures I took were mostly to point out the problem areas to Peter before we committed to a sale... not designed to show that it is as a relatively solid, all there boat with believably well under 400 hours.
It is now in my shop so more engine pictures will be possible. The boat was surrounded by a layer of ice that extended 50 miles in every direction (hilly backwoods area). The house was up on a hill that when I tried to drive up the driveway and decided to stop before causing too much trouble less than a quarter of the way up I slid slowly backward - all 4 tires locked back to the bottom. If the guy (david - nice guy) was willing to come down another 500 to where I wanted the boat at I would have been willing to hang out a day and let the ice melt but as he held his ground I told him he had to deliver it to the road. 250 lbs of salt and the back blade of the tractor is what it took to get done. 988 miles round trip - 27 hours - should have been 24 or less but the ice was an issue - in hindsight the 4wd tahoe would have been more appropriate than the 2wd expedition - the cruise control on the tahoe being broken "seemed" like a big issue before I left ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 1:06pm
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The funny thing about that trailer is that I bought an all blue white interior 71 mustang (with an omc) about 75 miles west of there that came on the exact same trailer. I would bet they originated from the same dealer who had great taste in color schemes, but lousy taste in trailers and an aversion to fords. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 1:15pm
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I was wondering why he had the blade down on the tractor! Quite an adventure.
The boat looks really nice. I notice the tabs on a Wildcat again. I especially like the dash, nice clean layout of gauges. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 1:30pm
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what are you gonna do about those cracks? Re-gel? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 2:20pm
Could you imagine asking your mother that or maybe even your wife  . Since we tend to refer to boats in the female gender I've adopted somewhat of a new philosophy on the subject to just clean her up really really nice and then embrace those graceful, well-earned signs of age and experience. And as we know with other types of enhancements it can get rather expensive  ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Jllogan wrote:Posted By: kytom2
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 2:40pm
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Joe,I remember the ad saying that boat was in Southeastern Ohio, and I recognized all that ice from Saturday morning. It couldn't have been that far from here. Would have gladly stored it for you till spring. ------------- |
Posted By: Bakchose
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 2:58pm
| Did the owner supply any information about the history of the boat? From the add it sounded like he didn't own it for very long. |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 4:26pm
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Joe Thanks again so much thats every thing i wanted. I love the dash and Reid as we have said before I will cherish those cracks . if someday i cant live with them i will address them.
Oh and John sullivan i believe it was his brother inlaws for maybe 25 yrs? and has sat for the last 5 but I am pretty sure it was a cypress gardens boat.. Marty I will get a list together for you Thanks i had never seen those vents before. I have an idea I at least need a c/c script ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 4:31pm
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There are some receipts and documents with the boat, he bought it recently from his wifes brother in law who had it sitting. I don't believe the brother in law owned it anywhere near 25 years but I could be wrong.
At lunch time I pulled out the Chrysler marine engine operating manual that came with the boat for a quick read. If I am to believe the notes the engine is in fact the “Golden Commando” rated at 290 Hp @ 4000 Rpm. Which could explain the 13x17 prop. My guess is that the original owners were Jerry and Maggie who lived at 69 Cottage st, and had a phone number of 928-5666. Thats what the pencil note in the back of the operating manual says anyway. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 4:37pm
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It will in fact need one script emblem. The gauges all the way on the left are a Barometer and a clock. There are two sets of horns on the deck – no word on if either work yet. But the wheel and the horn ring is sweet hopefully it blasts all 4 of them. The motor box itself is pretty cool for a wood box – original notice to dealer intact and a electric blower mounted right to the box feeding a bear claw vent on the back sloped part of the box facing the rear seat. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 4:37pm
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oh so it isnt one of 3 cypress garden boats oh well i will enjoy it anyway ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 4:51pm
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I think those rear corner vents should have been the clam shells like those found on the other mid 60's boats. Those aren't too hard to find.
With that light color, I doubt the cracks will stand out once it's wet sanded. |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 4:55pm
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Joe,
Whats the deal with the green and white (looks like missing gel) areas on the bottom??? The inlaw had the boat for a few years and then let it set for 10 years as the boat was a PITA to start . That's what the guy told me when I called anyway.. Good luck Peter, she's pretty cool... Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 7:08pm
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moj I think they look to me like fiberstrand type patches ? ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 8:20pm
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Joe I know you have your ford all hopped up so my first question is how fast do you want to make that 413 .
Wildcats are very cool boats especially when you add the 413. |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 8:24pm
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Happy Wildcat Peter.
Looks like lots of screw holes to fill. But still a pretty neat old find. My favorite feature on the old Wildcats was the fold-up windsheild. |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 9:11pm
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does anyone have this color all polished up? I see one of reids boats in the diaries its a ski nautique with a 340 but that is either darker or what this is supposed to be ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 9:41pm
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Very cool boat Peter and what can you say about Joe that hasn't already been said, the man is awesome. Can't wait to fly him out here to set the Hemi in.
Peter I have a brand new 13x17 RH OJ that came with the Hurricane and I can't imagine it's right for my boat. Keep that in mind when you get the boat on the water it may be an option for you. ------------- |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 10:02pm
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I have to say I have dealt with a few members on here ,Marty, Reid, Bruce, and Joe and others and it seems like everyone would do anything for anyone to help them . I am sure its true across the whole site , Joe you have gone way out of your way here and i will never be able to thank you enough ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: DHart
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 10:03pm
| Great looking boat! Would that motor turn a 13x17 near 4000 rpms? |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 10:30pm
It'll be interesting to find out and if it does it'll also probably pull a wake boarder at 1200 rpm ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 10:43pm
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If a 240 hp 351w could turn a 13x13 at 4400 on this boat then a 290 hp at 4000 rpm would equal about a 13x17. Could a 240 hp motor turn a 13x13 under this ????
The stuff on the bottom looks like layers of mostly removed bottom paint to me but truthfully I didnt scrape any off to see what was underneath... Quick pics I got on the way home today... as for the engine the biggest issue for the purists maybe the manifolds. One has been replaced the other has been repaired. I also found the freeze plug that had been replaced by a marina looks like some 12 years ago. The Shaft here looks little sketchy as well like perhaps it has pulled out of the coupling a bit? There is also a reciept showing it had been replaced at somepoint so perhaps the keyway was just cut pretty long at the time. 
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Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 10:57pm
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looks good to me .. some detailing this year for starters and maybe some chrome work and missing parts, Joe what in the world is a barometer on these for
one other q I have does the 383 413 426 440 share some parts? manifolds starters dist etc? ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 11:04pm
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Before smartphones with internet radar that barameter is what told you when it was time to floor it and head for home before the big storm hit. At least thats what they taught me in history class.. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Wholsea
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 11:09pm
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Should have waited until today to drag it home, would have been pulling it home in 60 degree weather!
Glad to see it went to someone on here! |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 11:24pm
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I think it is without a doubt the "baby blue" color found on such relatively famous correctcrafts as
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=570&sort=&pagenum=1 - Marshalls boat and three other boats that Reid does/has/partially owned Like the world famous http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=190&sort=&pagenum=1 - Moody Blue Which is the closest all around color scheme to this you are going to find.. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-23-2012 at 11:39pm
I couldn't wait till today to drag it home, I had to get the deal done he was selling hard saying that some guy in Columbus and another one in Chicago were all over that thing and had him thinking he had gold there. I told him not to get too excited over those clowns when he had real folding money right there in front of him . ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 12:06am
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Totally green with envy right now Joe Haha. That thing is going to be wonderful. Its amazing how great that interior still looks and those gauges are awesome especially the barometer. You can tell when the seas might be getting bad haha.
Peter. The only differences in the Chrysler big blocks are the intake manifolds on the B to RB motor. 383 361 400 motors are B motors(short deck height) and everything else 440, 426, 413, etc. Is a RB motor (raised block or higher deck). Heads distributor things like that will all interchange. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 12:20am
Way to go Joe! Looks at least you had a good trip home,I'm assuming once you got to the main roads everything was clear. Peter,looking good! Once you get it sanded and buffed you'll be amazed.Im sure it's the same as mine, I was told by CC that it is Meridian Blue,and will darken up a bit when done. Now we need to get all these baby blues together for a calender shot. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 12:38am
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Very nice boat Peter. Are you thinking of the big block twin turbo setup? I happen to know where a set might be!
Bill |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 12:53am
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Peter - What a great find! We are going to enjoy following the project. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 2:42am
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way..way cool find. Good thing you had JoeInEverywhere on the spot to deal for you.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: quik225
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 4:55am
Many parts are shared. 413, 426, 440 will use the same manifolds, starters and dist, the 383 shares the same parts except the dist. Don't worry about getting used Chrysler starter whine. Most automotive Chryslers used a starter with gear reduction, which was the source of the distinct whine. Marine motors use a direct drive starter. The pic of the fuel pump looks a bit like the ones used on 426 Hemis. |
Posted By: connorssons
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 5:15am
| I love the color! have 1 cc in that blue. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 8:34am
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Fantastic find!! With a wet sand and buff, I think most of the gel issues will disappear. Yes, the interior looks great for it's age. It does look like someone has been hacking on the fuel line to the carb! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 9:01am
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beautiful tranny shot, 426 wedge possibly?....dont know the Mopar stuff, but they did have a "wedge" ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 11:32am
The Wildcat probably isnt too far off of a 2001 in terms of size, right? Length and weight should be close... so Id say that a 240hp + 13x13 would be about right. The math certainly works out to turn a 13x17 4000rpm with 290hp... but boy, that sure seems like an outrageously sized prop! I bet something like an Acme 470 would work better (12.5x15).
I could be totally off on this, but I *though* that Reid told me that CC changed the light blue gel color right around '69-70. The later color is a touch darker (including all the boats mentioned above). I remember being surprised that Marshall's boat and Baby Blue were NOT the same color. I could be making this story up completely, though! Either way, it should probably look about like this (from the '68 brochure):  ------------- |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 11:35am
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Eric yes we do believe it to be a 426 wedge , Pete I noticed the beautiful fuel line shot . the barometer still kills me . I was hoping it was the same blue as Reids and Gary's ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 11:51am
| Peter, they put barometers and 8 day wind up clocks in a lot of their nicer boats back then. I think it's probably a light blue like Reid's old Mustang. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 11:58am
Bruce, you might have to be more specific!
Baby Blue: 
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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 12:01pm
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Was that what they called power blue?
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/reference/1966_brochure/index.asp?page=08 - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/reference/1966_brochure/index.asp?page=08 |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 12:29pm
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Where's a pic of W. Slayers 1967 Ski Nautique ?
Same color. Fuel line: They removed the problematic in-line filter. via: Flare Coupler. |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 12:42pm
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The boat had the skins done about 10 years ago before it was put up.. That's why they don't look bad. They are not original..
Joe, I can see it's a "foamed" boat. Stringers don't look bad. You see any issues? Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 1:06pm
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Regarding the shade of light blue, now I think we're on to something. Unfortunately we don't have a 67 brochure, but unless the color looks different in these pics from actual, I'd say it was the powder blue like Slayers 67 SN as Dr CC mentioned above. But then again some of these blues can fade very unique-like, just ask Joe about his lavender (meridian blue) 71 Mustang which has faded near identically to one near me here.
And looking at the 66 brochure as Bruce mentioned, and the powder blue color on the color wheel and then on the Mustang SS shown in that color, it looks like this 'Cat. Either way, it's a cool and unique color and will most likely shine up well. My old 69 'Baby Blue' shown above is definitely a slightly lighter shade than Marshall's 70 and Moody Blue 72, with it looking more like the 68 brochure color. I can't say about Gary's for sure as I've never seen them side by side. Peter, let's turn that thing into a Max Wedge! Just google it, or someone add a link. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 1:08pm
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The “99” restoration is my guess when the skins, and carpet were done. Along with a new shaft. Just conjecture mind you. Time will tell how the skins will hold up but they look good for now. The seat framing is in great shape. The vinyl seems a little stiff but it is cold outside. Hopefully with a little conditioner and in the warm weather they will prove to have some life left in them. They will definitely clean up to look more than acceptable. The boat is foamed, one of the engine mounts has a bolt that has backed out a bit but other than that the boat seems pretty structurally sound. It looks like a boat that had a windshield back cover and was always kept covered but rarely used between long periods of storage. Unfortunately the cover going from the windshield to just behind the seats left not only a bunch of snaps and snap holes but also left the deck exposed to considerable sun which is my guess at to the origin of most of the gel cracking issues.
Midwatch blue, meridian blue, powder blue – who knew? It was probably whatever blue the supplier sold them. The blue on the cover of the 71 brochure is what I have always called Meridian blue (as that was the only color blue they listed as available that year) . That is the color of my 71 ish mustang and it is not the same as the earlier Carolina blue, baby blue, light blue family that this boat is certainly in… the later blue moves more to the violet spectrum. I am now going to call the earlier light blue midwatch blue and the later meridian blue but I like to be stubbornly wrong on such things ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 1:19pm
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Alright I dont like to be that wrong, I looked at the color wheel and Midwatch blue is definitely the darker blue like on my 67 mustang... so back to powder blue for early light blues and meridian blue for later light blues.. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 1:25pm
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Peter the "wedge" just refers to the shape of the combustion chamber i.e. wedge shaped instead of hemispherically shaped hemi engines. If you are thinking max wedge motors that would have been of the cross ram high compression persuasion. Hint hint a cross ram would look great in that boat.. haha.
Im with Reid on the cross ram idea. http://www.allpar.com/WEDGE.HTML |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 2:25pm
Don't worry about that "clown" in Chicago he never buys anything, just a keyboard kicker. ------------- |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 4:23pm
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so a cross ram with what twin 450 holleys? im in ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 4:38pm
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Peter, that is a really cool boat, that one peaked my interest as well when I saw that ad however it was a different "Clown" in Chicago kickin the keyboard, lol.
So let me get this straight, Joe jumped in his buggy and ran down to Ohio to pick this thing up for you? Pretty damn cool, what a Guy!!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 4:44pm
| Awesome Boat !! I think it will shine up nice ! |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 5:39pm
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He did so generous I think he is the epitome of the members here , now to get him my skylark and get the wildcat to mass. ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 5:46pm
I already mentioned it to Joe, but Ill mention it again to you Peter- if I can be of any help, just let me know... I can store a boat (most likely outside only  ) or provide a waypoint if need be. Not sure what your timeframe is on the swap, but if it doesnt happen until spring, that would be a good excuse for a day trip (bring a ski!).------------- |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 5:51pm
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Peter, there's a chance I'll be heading to Rochester NY sometime in the next 3 weeks on business. If so, I could pull the Skylark out, drop it at Joe's, head to Rochester, and on the way back drag the Wildcat to NH. No guarantees, I'm waiting to hear from the guy out there, but I'll let you know if it's going to happen. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 10:34pm
| There's only one problem with cross ram stuff.... Yup you guessed it, mopar stuff is expensive :( |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 11:16pm
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thanks for the offers we are going to try and figure it out in the next few weeks.
Zach i could always set one up thru summit for about 1400 and paint the aluminum blue intake is 790 plus 2 carbs misc linkage .. maybe more like 1800 , i think i'll wait ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: kytom2
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 11:19pm
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A good quick read. It does not really pertain to marine applications, but still some good info.
http://www.carcraft.com/projectbuild/ccrp_0711_1964_mopar/viewall.html A six pack set-up would look good too! Intakes are much more affordable. ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-24-2012 at 11:31pm
Interesting theory Joe. As you know my deck is not too bad considering how the boat was taken care of. But when you pull off a step pad you would be surprised the crazing under them and everyone of them is the same.So I thought it was something to do with covering the gel up and maybe it getting hot and no air circulation? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 12:56am
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My mustang also has bad cracking under the step pads.. water? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 1:23am
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If you were gonna get crazy in the HP department with this bad boy.. there were a few options offered from chrysler marine in the 426 that year.. B code- the golden commando 290, the C code- Golden lion 310, the D code- golden lion 325, and the SKI code- Golden Lion special at 415 hp. Only the 310 shares the 8.2:1 compression ratio of the current B code engine. My guess is the only difference is the dual carb intake and being rated at 4400 rpm. The 325 bumped the compression to 9.2 and also had the dual carb intake and 4400 rpm rating. The 415 was an 11:1 compression engine also with a dual carb intake but rated at 5600 rpm. I wonder how many of those survived in one piece until today? It would be worth a few gallons of race gas just to hear one scream. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 1:34am
Could be, never even thought of that. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 1:53am
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Joe, your a good man for all your help with that boat, must be hard not to tear into it. Looks like a fun project. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 2:52am
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A guy in my neighborhood still has this Golden Lion sitting in his yard.
http://www.nautiqueowner.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12370&PID=135477&title=for-the-mopar-fans - http://www.nautiqueowner.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12370&PID=135477&title=for-the-mopar-fans There's very little in the manual about the 426Ski, but I wonder if it might have been a hemi to get its hp to 415. I believe the auto hemis were 425 hp. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 11:30am
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That's a very cool looking engine! I assume that's the 9.2:1 325 hp version? That thread was over 3 years ago, is the boat/engine still sitting as it was then?
I bet there aren't many of those marinized engines around for someone who wanted one for a project. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 11:33am
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Wow Joe this is interesting. I would freak if I found a 426 ski. It would have been very easy to get a 426 wedge to 415 hp. Mopar is easy to make power ;). This could end up being a very beautiful very fast boat.
Is this a standard or reverse rotation because I just had a very interesting idea for camshaft selection that will make big power. |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 11:35am
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looking at the stats on these and other mopar engines of the early /mid sixties its no wonder those boxy plain jane fury satelite style cars dominated the quarter mile thru those years . ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 11:38am
| Peter is seeing the mopar light!! haha |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 11:38am
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David, that engine is in a Century Coronado. My neighbor is putting a new bottom on the boat for a customer. Every so often I ask him if he wants to sell that engine.
The Chrysler manual is in the reference section. It covers a lot of engines and is pretty interesting reading. Peter, they sound a lot better than a GM, too. |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 11:53am
Yeah, what a clown.. Eventhough he was kicking for another clown, he's still a keyboard kicker for sure..... ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 12:41pm
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Our skylark has cracking under the pads too I was thinking heat? Being white I doubt the pads would have produced enough heat to crack the gel. My 86 has little tiny heat cracks on the top deck between the front and rear step pads along the gunnel I assume the gel was a bit thinner in those areas causing worse heat cracking. The previous owner left it uncovered for large amounts of time in direct Florida sunlight.
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Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 1:13pm
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My Skier has a lot of cracking, including a few pretty large fissures. Some of it is stress, like around the tow pole where it goes through the seat back. Some I'm not sure, like in the dash top. I just look at it as part of the character of an almost 50 year old boat. I've never had the pads up to take a look there. The motorbox is almost perfect, yet that's been a seat for people almost every time out in the boat. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 3:36pm
Step pad + (FAT ASSES)= Cracking......  ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: January-25-2012 at 8:57pm
I have a friend that has the 2x4 / 426 in his Century. Very Kooool! Nice old 'Cat!!!!!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 2:44pm
| 100 octane required !! Too bad that stuff isn't around for 89cents any more !! |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 3:50pm
From the old thread Bruce linked....you can tell its from a few years ago. (2008)
------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 4:17pm
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True story - that version of the motor was 403hp on the dyno but never quite saw 53 mph. I am hoping that peter finds a wildcat a little easier to move and sees similar speeds with 290 hp. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 4:36pm
| yeah 75 Thats why if any mods are ever done to my 86 for power it will be for holeshot purposes. I think I will be more than happy when I upgrade to the acme 540 now its spinning a 13x13 4 blade super cup oj legend. Good economy at cruising speeds but it lacks holeshot and only spins 4100 at wot. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 5:11pm
I'm not real smart about such things, but that's hard to believe there is so much difference between the 16 foot hulls that will run 50+ with a stock motor (like my 305 chevy 230 - 50.7ish) but 403 HP will only beat that slightly in the different (but not that different) hull. Again, I dont know much about it, but I guess it all comes down to physics, pitch, and RPMs. I also guess you can have 403 HP but not necessarily turn more RPMs (tho maybe the capacity to pull out tree stumps?) More HP doesnt necessarily translate to RPMs does it? (I'm thinking weedwacker here and 7,000 - 12,000 RPMs based on a quick look) I'm not trying to be a wise guy, I am curious. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 5:24pm
Larry, I think your fallacy is your assumption that the difference between a 16' Ski Tique hull and a 18'9" 2001 hull is small... when in fact the difference is pretty significant. The extra weight (600lbs) and size (both length and beam) both translate to a significantly higher wetted surface area on the newer hull. It takes a LOT of power to overcome that much friction. In simplistic terms for our application, propping for max speed involves knowing where your hp peak occurs (rpm's), and then finding a prop that allows your motor to achieve a WOT speed as close as possible to that point. In theory, a boat that makes 400hp @ 4000rpm should be as fast (on the top end) as a boat that makes 400hp @ 5000rpm... assuming both boats have comparable hulls and are propped to achieve their max power at WOT. At least thats the theory we've been operating under! ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 5:30pm
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Larry,
Think about hydro's and not much in the water = fast! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 5:43pm
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ok so who is gonna attach a hydrofoil to their nautique for our curiosity to be satisfied? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 7:09pm
It's probably on Reid's mind every time he has a problem falling asleep! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 7:41pm
I wish I knew what model, but there was a CC on our lake in the late '60's into the '70's that would run 50, thought to be the fastest boat on the lake at the time. If I had to guess I'd say 19' Wildcat, no idea what the power was. It seems to make sense that the Wildcat has to be one of the fastest hulls they built, an extension of the flatbottom 16 ft. boats, and maybe more to the point a hull capable of running that speed with a bit more stable handling. Joe I'm sure you're right that Peter will be in the 50's with that power. When he adds the intake and dual quads ....... This thread really gets me thinking about taking on a project. The way I move on stuff like this it might take 5 years, but it's fun to think about at least for now. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 9:11pm
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Wildcats should be pretty fast, I've seen lots of tabs on them, a buddy has one with a 390fe, it porpoises like a SOB. The motor was never healthy last year but just got rebuilt, WOT speet TBD.
------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 9:52pm
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I think tim and larry both have a point, a 2001 hull is a lot bigger and harder to push than a 16 footer. But that combination I feel was also not that effective at getting power to the water and I am sure that 400 hp could get a 2001 a lot closer to 55 with the right gearing, prop, etc. I never could quite dial that one in the last 500 rpm were only good for about 1 mph. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 10:59pm
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would you guys compare the wildcat hull to the 2001 hull? or bfn ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-26-2012 at 11:23pm
| More like the Barracuda hull, only wider. It rides nice and high with the bow out of the water. |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 1:44am
Some people count sheep............ ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 2:09am
I wonder if instead of the little tabs I've seen on these a set of good sized hydraulic tabs would keep it from porpoising, though I'd bet they scrub a bit of speed off. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 11:27am
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Needing tabs doesnt necessarily translate into a fast hull... it just means the hull has a tendency to bounce. A little bounce is good, but too much, too early (lower speeds) is probably counterproductive... lots of Classics have tabs, and I dont think any are setting new speed records.
The Wildcat hull is definitely a different animal than a BFN, as that's a deep vee. Its closer to a 2001, but thats still a good bit different. Its a good sized boat, but a lot of the size is in its depth, and width above the waterline- the hull has a lot of "flare". The running surface is probably a good bit smaller than a 2001, so there is good reason to believe it will be good for 50mph with a stock big block... maybe a little more if it runs bow high. Joe, as we approach 60mph, Im starting to be convinced that we're seeing the limitations of our steep propshaft angles. When I rebuild my 1gen, I want to go shallower- maybe 8-10deg... I believe Bill Burgess made a recommendation along those lines on here at some point. There were plenty of v-drive boats made with hardware in that range, so sourcing the parts shouldnt be too tough... Edit: found it.
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Posted By: Munday
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 1:05pm
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True that on drive angle Tim. This is one cool old boat. I had the same windshield in my 70 Century Buccanner, Really nice on a hot day if you have a top for shade. open to full horizonal, 10 mph and a mist bottle of water equals air conditioning! If you can keep the boat under control with a modern prop you might get close to 60mph but I'd want a center fin does this have one? When I was young early 60's I saw a boat swap ends, the prop got to the surface from porpoising. Then walked around the boat on the surface. Driver suffered broken ribs from ice chest in front seat for balance. No more speed runs in boat till center fin installed and tabs.
munday ------------- If the only tool you have is a hammer,everything starts to look like a nail. |
Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 4:08pm
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Would the Wildcat hull be similar to the 71/72 Marauder ??
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 4:39pm
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As to the 2001 hull vs the wildcat. I do fundamentally agree with tim’s assessment the wildcat is bigger but not necessarily at the water line. The hull itself looks to have some hook at the chine (or maybe this one does after sitting on a trailer for years?) . I suspect it has a standard strut angle for a CC but it does have a strut with a skeg.. not the strut you would find on a smaller boat so it is possible. It also has a pretty sizeable rudder . Changing in the drive angle on one of these boats significantly might be improbable but simple vector analysis would yield that you would be much better off.. more force going into forward motion and less going into digging down the nose and lifting the back end. Which as noted above is not a good failure mode.
I still believe that a lighter boat like a first gen SN might benefit from a steel inboard racing prop with significant rake. The rake may in fact lift the nose enough for it to be a game changer (5+mph improvement). It may also work on a smaller boat, but the boat and driver are more likely to survive the experiment in a longer boat. Of course I have no interest in pursuing any of this stuff myself, not till one of you punks comes up with something faster than my towered tug boat anyway. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 4:58pm
Who is calling punks? You mean 1 or 2 mph slower,.........and I'm a punk. Meet me on the SJRR, and I'll show you a punk,...punk. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-27-2012 at 5:23pm
How about <1mph slower, am I still a punk?
You just wait til we get the BBC back on the water with a roller cam and some real exhaust manifolds... you'll be thumbing through the Glenwood catalog in no time! (Decision is still pending on the roller cam- but the exhaust is sitting here ready to bolt on.) Im hoping to hold the crown for at least 5 minutes- at least until you find a home for that 383, or Reid gets the 427 1gsn done, or Jeff Connors finished his Separator (if I/O's even count)... Mike, I bet the Wildcat hull is pretty similar to the Marauder that followed it. Just a wild guess though- Ive never seen the latter in person! Ive crawled all over Reid's Tournament Skier (same hull as the Wildcat) and for 19', the boat is BIG. ------------- |