Wake skiing
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Topic: Wake skiing
Posted By: Maximal691
Subject: Wake skiing
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 3:18pm
| Does anyone here wake ski? I'm thinking about picking up a pair for this season to try it out. |
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Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 3:28pm
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Yes, myself and a couple friends dabble a little. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 3:38pm
| How is it? Im an avid park rat on snow skis, I was hoping this would be somewhat similar. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 3:42pm
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HA! you may love it. I'm ok with wakeskiing. I grew up waterskiing, started wakeboarding when I was 14, snowboarding when I was 18. As far as doing stuff ie: inverts/spins/ramps I feel much more capable with my feet strapped in. That being said, on wakeskis and snow skis(just picked that up this year) I get scared to death. I do water ski jump (front flip, heli spin) over the ramp so I'm ok there but the wakeskis are intimidating to me.
Being a park snow skier you may pick these things up right away. We're having a good time riding them though. Want a used pair? I could sell you mine to try out  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:09pm
| Ive been skiing since I was 3, so Im way more comfortable on the snow than water. What do you have for wake skis? How much are you looking to get? One thing I'm concerned about are knee injuries. On snow skis you have din settings so most of the time the ski comes off before your knee bends the other direction. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:14pm
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Mine are the first ones that HO made in 2008. On my phone now so I'll get you some more info when I'm back on the PC. And yes... The knees are what scare me too... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:24pm
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Maybe someone can explain to me the appeal of these things... what can they do that traditional trick skis cant? ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:31pm
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Tim, you can do quite a bit of things on these skis. They compare to twin tip snow skis, and also like having two wakeboards on your feet...to keep it simple.
the skis in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjpnylDTRbw - this video are the same ones I own. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:35pm
| That was the video that got the whole idea rolling for me. |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:38pm
| I was very tempted to pick up a pair at one point, to try them out, but the entry cost is a little high. I would have been more apt to pull the trigger if there was some way to try them first. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:42pm
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They were very expensive. ($400 blank) I'm going to the Wisconsin Water Ski Federation Expo this weekend, same place my friend and I originally went in on my pair back in 2008. They were the first pair in IA...still might be one of the only pairs. The best thing to do is grab a buddy and go in on them together. See if you like them or not. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:54pm
| I have a hard enough time getting my friends to pay for their own beers, let alone skis. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:55pm
I cant check out the video... I realize you can probably do a bit with them. My question is what they can do that traditional trick skis cant? It seems like whoever invented these things may not have realized that trick skis already existed. And maybe the people who buy them dont know it either! But I havent used them... so enlighten me! ------------- |
mdvalant wrote:Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 4:58pm
If I can get gas money from my friends/family then I'm happy. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 5:21pm
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Wake skiing.
Longer, fins on each side, foam core, light, pop, 3-stage or continuous rocker, what else.. With wakeskis you can ride at 80ft and 24mph just like a wakeboard. Bigger the wake the better. Basically, every trick you can do on a wakeboard it is possible to do on wakeskis. Granted...I find doing those tricks is much more difficult on these things than my WB. Maybe cuz I still suck at it I dunno. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 5:52pm
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get a trick ski, much cheaper way to go about it
the wake skis would be fun at a cable park ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 5:55pm
Gotcha, that makes sense. If I come across someone who has a pair, Id like to give them a try... otherwise, I think I'll stick with conventional tricks. ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:03pm
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If I thought trick skiing was just as much fun/exciting to show others thats what I would have done. but...trick skiing is about as lame as tubing...IMO ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:28pm
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Tim, picked up a pair of the Body Glove version of these, not quite the same as the HO or Connelly versions, but very similar. They are much easier to ride in a straight line, on an edge and would probably be easier landing aerials, then a standard trick ski. They are fun to ride however IMO are nothing more then a prerequisite to trick skiing.
Regarding knee injuries, anytime you are on a pair of anything that danger will exist if either ski gets in back or front of the other, believe me, I know! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:39pm
Wow, as accomplished of a skier you are I'm rather flabbergasted by this. Clearly you do not have the patience to trick ski, which is probably why you don't think it is impressive either. I think any trick skier enjoys watching other trick skiers, no matter their level. Not all skiing is for show either. I got a couple friends trick skiing this summer and it was possibly the most fun I had on the water all year. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:43pm
+1  ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:44pm
I don't think having the patience is the correct term. I think more uninterested is. Guess I could try it but there are so many other things I would rather be doing. Sorry to knock it without being any good at it. (I can spin on one and two and do wake 180's) but that's beginner stuff compared to some of the greats. I dunno, just wasn't for me! I'm weird though, 90% of you guys have probably attended a 3-event tournament once in your lives...I never have, never have skied the slalom course either, although I would LOVE to give that a shot just to say I can do it! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:48pm
| Never tried trick skiing, but I can remember as a kid spotting for my neighbor. I definitely liked the boat speed etc. of slalom compared to it. I remember thinking it was a lot of slow driving, then stopping and circling back. Of course, seeing some of the stuff pro-level skiers pull off... that's a whole different ballgame. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:48pm
Well that explains it. I think you'd gain a lot of respect for trick skiing if you put more time into it, especially on 1 ski.
I'd LOVE to watch you attempt your first pass as well. 
You can slalom and barefoot rather sloppy and still make a pass. Gotta be fearless to jump, but trick skiing requires a lot of patience and a certain amount of eloquence to be successful, neither of which can be faked. ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 6:50pm
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You're right HW, I wouldn't have the patience to trick ski/be good at it. I usually just go balls to the wall, get tired right away and mad when I can't do something. I can turn 180 on a swivel ski. How's that for a trick? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 7:00pm
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I'd put swiveling right up there with tricking. I swiveled once with M3Fan on a cold October day. My foot cramped up immediately after shoehorning it into the binding. Miserable, yet humbling experience. I was all over the damn place. I nearly pissed my pants (in the drysuit) watching Joel get up and ride it completely crouched down dragging his back leg around the whole time. He couldn't stand up. That night we went to Magicman's halloween party and drank away our sorrows. Johnny tried it too, I know there was video of it but not sure if it's around anymore.
When I first learned what trick skiing was everyone was just using 1. I tried it and thought the same thing as you, WOW, this is not for me never gonna happen... Months later I saw an eBay ad for a pair of trick skis. OH, so this is how you learn to trick ski. Made sense, you don't learn to slalom ski right off the bat either. I just never thought of using 2 trick skis. ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 7:03pm
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bahahha so funny...very similar to my experiences other than the drysuit thing. Shoehorn was almost necessary. Did one 180 and back and quit. I had tried for years before that and probably just got lucky. Those girls are awesome at swiveling, it's incredibly difficult but man I can't stand watching it over and over again! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 7:06pm
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I'll watch and drive swivel all day, you can have your sausage fest! ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-23-2012 at 7:08pm
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The only thing worse than driving for swivel, is driving for swivel in the rain. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 1:33am
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You guys got me interested in trick skiing. Found this video, has a catchy beat as well:
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Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-24-2012 at 11:31am
| Trick skiing reminds me the "hot doggers" of the 80's vs today's new schoolers on a snow mountain. I think the wake ski thing could really take off like what happened when twin tips came out. Trick skiing is pretty much dead. |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 1:33pm
| Mdvalant are you still interested in selling yours? |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 1:57pm
Like anything else that takes real skill, work and talent, It is unfortunate that most would rather load up their boat with unneeded ballast creating a huge wake, tearing up the lake, eroding the shoreline, etc. etc. to embark in something that takes almost no skill, like surfing or wake boarding. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: AirTique98
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 3:22pm
CQ..you are my new best friend!! My sentiments exactly!! I usually write my opinions on this stuff off to the fact that I'm long past my prime and I just don't get it. All my skiing life the goal was for flat water and smooth lakes and boats that provided the same. Nothing is more disheartening to me than looking out on glass water and then seeing some loaded up "wake" boat come along just as you are ready to take a ski or run. If some of these style boaters were ever fortunate enough to become lakefront property owners many would change their minds in a hurry. My adult son is a boarder and wake surfer [sadly] in addition to other disciplines but he knows to go far down the lake away from not only our property but any of our neighbors who might recognize his boat. Our lake was formed back in the TVA days and the shoreline was stable all these years until the past few with the advent of these surf monsters. I've probably lost 6'-8' of shoreline over the past four years and there appears to be no end in sight. Nothing better on a quiet evening on the lake than a monster v-drive pulling a couple tubes or a six year old on a board with the tower speakers blasting out rap music!! We all know it is nearly impossible to learn anything without some blaring music. Well, that was my rant for the day!! ------------- Bill http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5549 - 98Air Nautique Former Owner: 1990 Ski Nautique 1981 Ski Nautique 1976 Ski Nautique 1971 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 4:46pm
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Quinner, I think you must be joking to think that only waterskiing takes skill and practice. If you're being serious you must live a pretty sheltered life.
Airtique, my family does have lake front property. If you're so concerned about erosion you should probably invest in a retaining wall if you lost 6-8' of shoreline already. I like the mentality you have about not ***************ting in your nest. It's ok for your son to make wakes as long as it's not in your backyard... Just someone elses.. |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 4:48pm
| And I hold my statement that trickskiing is pretty much dead. When was the last time you saw it on tv? Or anywhere for that matter. That stuff went the same way as trick Rollerskating. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 4:49pm
+ 1 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 6:23pm
Really??? Where did I say that?? The point I was trying to make is trick skiing takes a great deal of skill and balance, as a result it takes practice which usually equals a time commitment should you wish to really excel. Sadly this is something more and more people simply have no interest in. Based on what are some of the most popular events on water these days, tubing followed by wakeboarding while surfing is probably gaining the most new riders, which are substantially easier to do, to the point of requiring almost no skill whatsoever with something like tubing. I was also very surprised to see +1 valents comment that trick skiing is lame, wow. Throughout my involvement in show skiing the best trick skiers were generally the best all around skiers. While my son was in show skiing I sent him up north to train every season and they typically spent close to 70% of that time on trick. IMO trick skiing can be the foundation for just about any event on the water, but then again, apparently I lead a very sheltered life 
Regarding your comment of adding retaining walls, seriously?? That is probably the WORST thing you can do to any body of water, that stuff should be banned!! Have you ever seen what happens to a wave when it hits a wall?? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: AirTique98
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 6:41pm
You miss the drift...I'm not "in favor" of it anywhere, but if you insist on doing it be considerate enough to go to another part of the lake where there may be little or no development rather than cause some irate neighbors. Too many times skiers/boarders feel the need to pass close to docks, other boaters, etc in order to "showcase" their skills. On the subject of shoreline erosion protection I'm all in....been trying to get some for three plus years. The TVA has extremely stringent requirements and a short list of approved installers. Our lake has steep dropoffs [basically mountainsides] and most work must be accomplished from the water; barge for the stone, cranes, etc. etc. At approximately $100.00 a running foot it makes my 320' of waterfront an expensive proposition to "protect". As I said earlier, I'm long past my time in this sport and I don't quite get a lot of things, but the boarding and particularly the surfing just don't translate into waterskiing for me. I'd no more "surf" on a pristine inland lake than I'd foot' in the Pacific. ------------- Bill http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5549 - 98Air Nautique Former Owner: 1990 Ski Nautique 1981 Ski Nautique 1976 Ski Nautique 1971 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 6:53pm
| Well you said "...to embark in something that takes almost no skill, like surfing and wake boarding", which is just insane. You must be just turning down free boats and sponserships at a cyclic rate if it's that easy to you. Its that mentality that holds sports back. You are like the old racers who talked down on the freestyle movement in snow skiing. You need to respect that they both take talent, just because its not for you doesnt mean its a worthless throw away sport. I love slalom skiing, i also like wakeboarding. I even have fun taking out my friends who can do neither of those on a tube. And retaining walls, they bounce off the waves off without disipitating them. I just think it's funny that Airtique is so concerned about losing lake front yet still has a boat that gets loaded up with ballast and surfed behind. Pretty hypocritical. I also like the condiscending tone that they cant afford property on the lake. News flash, if you can drop close to six figures on a boat, chances are you can buy some property on a lake. |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 6:57pm
| This is just turning into a pissing match. If anyone has any wakeski info post up. Mdvalant did you catch my post about a price for your skis? |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 7:01pm
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Not selling at this time, asked my buddy and he voted to keep them around. Sorry. Also sorry I'm on my phone and unable to help you argue with the grumpier old men. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 7:04pm
| Ok cool. Im looking at a pair on eBay and I found a pair locally too. Im leaning towards the stereos because they have them in two sizes and I guess they are lighter. |
Posted By: AirTique98
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 7:05pm
No pissing...just opinions. And while I do own an Air and it does take in approximately 450lb of water when used for boarding it has never had sacks and has never been used to surf. My son uses his own boat for that when he comes over from N.C. ------------- Bill http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5549 - 98Air Nautique Former Owner: 1990 Ski Nautique 1981 Ski Nautique 1976 Ski Nautique 1971 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 9:42pm
Obviously I am referring to the basic skills to embark on a specific discipline, and yes IMO surfing is about as difficult as standing on a dock, please explain to me otherwise. Wakeboarding does require a bit more skill, balance and a bit of strength however is still nowhere near as difficult as tricking, again explain to me otherwise. Um, also not sure where my personal abilities were part of my conversation?? Holding back the sport, wow, lol, OK. You mentioned TV, can't say I have seen any water sport other then Wakeboarding on ESPN or any major network in years, guess I just don't have the clout I used too 
When did I say it is not for me or a worthless sport? I Enjoy wakeboarding from time to time, particularly anytime I have a chance to ride a different board. What I did touch on originally is what I don't like about wakeboarding and surfing to some degree, the common mentality that you need thousands of pounds of ballast and a 3+ foot wake to do it. As an example a neighbor bought a 220 last year, running 1000lbs on top of the factory ballast, that boat comes out and all 220 acres of our lake is destroyed for riders who can barely do wake to wakes. Another neighbor started surfing last year, same thing.
So what are you max, 20-21 yrs old?? And your calling out Bill, who may be old enough to be your grandfather, as a hypocrite and condescending, not cool.
Here's another wake up call, just because someone has a six figure wake boat does not mean they can or should afford it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 10:27pm
| I think were going to have to disagree that wake boarding doesn't require much talent. You're personal abilities came in when you said "it takes almost no skill" that would mean it must be really easy for you. I've been doing it for a while and I still find it challenging. As far as surfing goes, I've never done it from behind a boat, just in the ocean. Although I could stand up, I wouldn't say I had mastered it, and it was far from just standing on a dock. And as far as what bill said, it is condescending to say these people cannot afford lake property. Suppose I said said I was 60? Would it be ok for me to make these posts then? I'm actually 24 but I don't feel like age has anything to do with this. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 10:34pm
NG, In the state of Wisconsin where I have lake front property, you are not allowed to put up a retaining wall. We like to keep things looking natural and not have to look at some ugly concrete or steel wall. Nice work on keeping things green looking NY!! We all need to share the water. Some on the water just don't get that idea. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 10:36pm
Chris, Very well put. I agree totally. 
NG, You don't even want to fill in you profile? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-25-2012 at 10:41pm
| Profile? What do you want to know about me? Just feel free to ask me. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 8:30am
When I greet and welcome new members to CCfan, and if they haven't given their first names, I will typically ask if they would mind adding that to their profile. I will then go on to say that they should take some time and read some of the great info and threads taking note that most use first names. Unlike other sites, CCfan members don't use screen names very much. Making a diary entry is also a great way to fill others in on yourself. The pictures and text tell lots. Take some time and do a diary entry if you care to. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 11:17am
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The erosion rate might go down this summer, see 'Gas Price' thread!
Maybe our government should build some cable parks? ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 1:08pm
Well let's see I guess that is a matter of opinion. I'm guessing you haven't been to a Professional Waterski Tournament in a while. I've been going to the Master's at Callaway Gardens for quite some time and trick skiing is very much alive and well. With the comment about it not being on TV then I guess Slalom skiing is dead too with that philosophy as it hasn't been on TV in forever too. They're are plenty of pro young trick skiers out there younger than 24 and some juniors are up and coming. It's still fascinating to watch and the crowds I've seen still love the sport so it's not dead as you so proclaim. I bet 98% of people could walk right by Chris Parrish, Andy Mapple, Kristi Overton Johnston, and not know who they are and of there accomplishments in the field of watersports unless you are a fan of the sport. It all depends on your point of view. Andy Mapple can still tear up the slalom course at 49 and Bob Lapoint is 56 and can still do the same. How many pro wakeboarders are gonna be able to throw their game the same when they are 50+. Not too many I'd guess. I'm a wakeboarder as well but you don't need a boat loaded down with 1500lbs to throw your stuff. I've done it behind a Bass boat with the motor trimmed up. You have to work a little harder but that is what makes you a better athlete IMO. Most guys I see boarding with all that weight can barely ride but yet they churn up the water for those who are fishing,skiiing or boarding as well. Laws are starting to take place on some lakes forbidding wakeboard boats to fill their tanks because of erosion problems, and yes some are also not allowing retaining walls because the owners want the natural beauty of the lake. 52nd Masters Ski Tournament Jaret Llewllyn on his toe pass. The dude is 40 yrs old and still looks good on the water. 
51st Masters Whitney McClintock Masters TRICK Champion age 19 
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Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 1:58pm
| We have erosion control measures on our little pond. No tanks fat sacs or lead. Problem is trying enforce the rules on a small lake type community. Also you can't tell people not to load their boat with lots of big people! I also agree that those throwing the biggest wakes are usually the ones that can barely stay up behind the boat and can't even cross the wake let alone throw a trick. We call 'em the dock rockers and they are a real PITA !!!!! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 2:05pm
The DNR up north in my district hasn't allowed retaining/erosion control walls since they started enforcement back in the 20's. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 2:26pm
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do they allow gabion basket type walls?? those work very well, look good, the fish like 'em, don't reflect waves, relatively inexpensive... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 2:31pm
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also, tim's photo sums up why i've never trick skied...i just think it looks kinda fruity...there is one old guy on my lake with a nice ski nautique that trick skis...he's really good, but he looks like he's swing dancing out there no offense to anyone who trick skis, it's just not for me.
i'm sure figure skating takes a lot of talent too, but i'd much rather play hockey instead... just for the record (as it seems to matter somewhat in this thread) i live on the water, wakeboard 100% of the time behind my 2001 with about 800lbs ballast, and my best tricks are heel and toe 5's... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 2:58pm
No they do not. The only thing allowed is rock and then you even need a permit. Specs are real tough. Size of rock, distance away from the OHWM (ordinary high water mark) and height above the OHWM to name a few. BTW, as stated, steel and concrete are not what you want to look at. The basket type walls aren't very natural looking ether! I have a friend who put a precast basket type. He was ordered to remove it within 30 days and if not, the fine was $1000 a day. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 3:08pm
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i guess natural is relative...a collection of rocks is certainly more natural looking than corrugated steel...but a pile of rocks would protect just as well... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: AirTique98
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 4:26pm
Pretty much the only accepted way on our lake...basically they grade 10' up into the property and install rip/rap [rocks] along with some form of netting to hold in place. I've been trying to get some installed but my property must be done from the water and there is one and one only guy with the equipment to do so. On a lake with over 850 miles of shoreline you can imagine how busy he is. Couple that with the fact that our lake "swings" upwards of 40' in depth each year making for small windows when the work can actually be done, along with logistics of a marina where stone can be hauled in and transferred from trucks to barge. I'm "on the list" but no idea when that might be. ------------- Bill http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5549 - 98Air Nautique Former Owner: 1990 Ski Nautique 1981 Ski Nautique 1976 Ski Nautique 1971 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 4:37pm
| I'm on a cliff side of the lake. It makes everything from lifts to coolers a chore. |
Posted By: AirTique98
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 4:51pm
Well, I had no doubt that Quinner's and my opinions would create a good bit of controversy....heck, my opinion elicits spirited debate within my own family!! I by no means meant to imply that anyone could or could not afford anything, and I'm probably one of the least condescending guys you would ever meet. I apologize if you felt my comments were so. One of the great things about our sport is the fact it is so multi-generational and there is usually a facet for everyone that allows friends and particularly family to be involved together for lifetimes. My in-laws [in their 80's] still vacation with our ski club every year and while they no longer ski they enjoy the boating, watching children and grandchildren, and the whole scene. I've always felt our sport was a great equalizer and certainly didn't mean to seem elitist...I was a working man my whole life who finally [at the age of 59] was fortunate enough to be able to realize a lifelong dream of owning a lakefront home. You are a very fortunate young man to have that available in your family and I hope you get half as much pleasure and enjoyment out of this sport as I have. And I agree with you....age has nothing to do with it. ------------- Bill http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5549 - 98Air Nautique Former Owner: 1990 Ski Nautique 1981 Ski Nautique 1976 Ski Nautique 1971 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: AirTique98
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 5:00pm
"Cliff side" is basically most of our lake....but it does translate to some very calm water the majority of the time. I know what you mean by the cooler issue...98 steps from the top deck to the dock at my place and that's when the lake is at "full pool". Not really as bad as it sounds as it is a series of level changing "runways" interspersed with stairs. I will say the coolers are far lighter going back up!!! lol ------------- Bill http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5549 - 98Air Nautique Former Owner: 1990 Ski Nautique 1981 Ski Nautique 1976 Ski Nautique 1971 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 6:38pm
NG, Maybe one http://www.lakeshoretram.com/index.php - of these would help? Link this to Daddy. Thanks for filling us in. Considering you are "cliff side", I'd say you do not have to worry about erosion. Go fill up the ballast tanks and go for it! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 8:35pm
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that tram is sweet!! i've got bill barely beat...100 steps from my back door to the dock. over the past couple years i've hauled about 20 tons (literally 20 tons) of rock down those steps to shore up my shoreline...2, 5 gallon buckets at a time with a homemade carry yoke...no need to head to the gym... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 8:42pm
| I need less of a tram, more of an elevator. Waves are why I'm on a cliff side, its always rough on our side. It makes docking and getting onto lifts fun. Usually every spring we grab some rocks and build a little beach, and in the winter the ice will destroy it. |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 9:06pm
trying to help Bill 'lighten' the load for the trek back up 98 steps... 
its what brothers are for..... john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Waldo
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 9:38pm
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Son watch the 80's comment. I'll throw on the 1980's Kidder Pro Graphite and show you Hot Doggin.
Waldo |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 10:38pm
OK, sorry for the link but it's obvious you did not look at the web site enough. As suggested, please forward the link to your dad - He may have more patience to thoroughly look and understand what they have to offer. BTW, I take it you do not want to even post your first name in your profile? How about the diary entry? I'm beginning to get the idea that you really do not have a boat or a lake front property? Please correct me. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-26-2012 at 11:58pm
| Easy Pete, i was making a joke a a out the elevator. I'll put a smiley face next time so my humor won't be lost through text. Sorry I havent created a profile, it's been a busy weekend. Honestly though it's the least of my concerns. If you really want we can be Facebook friends. I do have a boat, you have seen pictures of it. I think it's pretty rude to insinuate I'm making that up, or the fact we have lake property. If it makes you feel any better, nynautique can verify I have a boat. He's been to my house and has seen it. I'm pretty sure is mentioned my name somewhere on here before, but it's max. I'm not a bad guy pete, the people on the boards here who have met me or have made transactions with me would probably agree. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 9:41am
Fantastic! When you do get the time, fill in the gaps! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 4:06pm
Cant agree with you there... Im not much of a trend follower (otherwise I would probably prefer wakeboarding to footing/slalom trick), but think watching a talented trick skier is damn entertaining. Check out HW's ice breaking video from last spring- good stuff. I also agree that age has nothing to do with it! 
^^Bonus points for the vintage vest^^^ ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 4:13pm
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and beard ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 7:39pm
Nick!!!!! I'm sure this comment "ruffled some feathers! The only time I've seen HW on the "fruity" side is when he's around CQ! Not really as I do believe both are as normal as you and I.------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:26pm
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. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:27pm
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yeah, I figured it would...but i thought it was relevant to why trick isn't more popular...i watched hollywood's ice video again...it's awesome for the ice berg start and the sound of his '88...i'm sorry though, those front to backs and back (or whatever you call them) just remind me of swing dancing...with all the hip swingin' and what not ..doesn't matter though, the chicks still seem to dig it and i'm sure i'd jump at the chance to go ridin' on the ice with those guys ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:32pm
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The chicks don't dig any of that crap, wakeboard/barefoot/shoe ski/jump/etc etc
One thing I do think they dig is a guy that can center a 5-high underneath them. Something they rely on you know? All that other junk is a, as used before "pissing contest" ps trick skiing still sucks
jk, kinda ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:35pm
| Chicks dig partying at the sand bar. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:36pm
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I would trick ski till my hands/arms/legs/feet are black and blue before I'd hang out at the sandbar all day!
jk, we hang on occasion, I just get tired of that in a hurry :) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 8:48pm
| Chicks dig guys that can hold a ski rope in one hand, and a huge stack of money in the other hand. The hand with the ski rope is optional. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 9:30pm
Mike, ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 10:52pm
| Depends on the mood. If I take out a bunch of non skiers/boarders its better to go save gas at the sandbar than drag them around on a tube. The lake gets real rough on weekends too so it's a nice escape from the waves. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-27-2012 at 11:01pm
You have got to be kidding here - a tube? I really appreciate your filing in your profile as well as adding your boat to the diaries. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 12:09am
| Pete, go away. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 9:39am
------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 12:40pm
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I'm going out this weekend and since there will probably be a lot of ice I'll surely trick ski, because I like it not because the chicks may or may not dig it. If anyone wants to wakeboard, foot, swivel, slalom or kneeboard they're welcome to join me.
We don't want you at the sandbar anyway Mike.
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Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 2:14pm
| Believe me I don't do it for the chicks. Nor do haze myself in the mountains for them. Hollywood where's this video from last year? |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 2:27pm
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http://www.youtube.com/user/kfleisch88/videos - my youtubes channel ------------- |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 8:46pm
Pete has over 17,000 pasts here, I doubt he is going anywhere. Pete is almost in a protected class, he has given invaluable advice to every one of us at one point or another. Don't be to quick to dismiss him for some occasional orneriness, it is part of his charm! ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-28-2012 at 9:02pm
| I agree he's very very knowledgeable and I have yet to doubt him on that. I just don't like my tastes or integrity being questioned by him. I.E., if I have a boat or property. Or if I take non skiing friends tubeing. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 4:02pm
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http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Misc&postid=18085 - $250 HOs at ski it again ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 4:42pm
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If you check these out ask him if they're the new 3 stage rocker or the older continuous. Not a huge diff, the new ones are my preference though. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 5:37pm
| Do HO's only come in one size? Stereo has 144 and 154, I only have seen HO skis in 144. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 5:39pm
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They do have two different sizes/shapes/riding style
the first HO's that came out were longer, narrower, and had a continuous rocker. The later ones, (not sure when they came out, my friend bought a pair last year) are shorter, wider, 3 stage rocker. I prefer his over mine, not sure why..they just seem more user friendly. Sorry, don't know the length of each off hand. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 5:46pm
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It looks like HO only offers one size in any given year. I somehow have an 2008 and a 2012 HO catalog.
In 08, they were longer, with the continuous rocker. In 2012, they were shorter with the 3 stage. Not sure when they switched though. This is the 2012 model: http://hosports.com/wakeskis/140_rad_w/rekless - http://hosports.com/wakeskis/140_rad_w/rekless |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 5:48pm
| Stereo goes off of weight for their lengths. Its weird that HO doesnt. |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: February-29-2012 at 8:51pm
I'm guessing that they just don't sell enough of them yet, to offer different sizes. |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: March-01-2012 at 3:44pm
| I just picked up a pair of 2011 stereos. Now I need to find some bindings. Stereo bindings are pretty pricey. I might try picking up a set of ho bindings. Mdvalant, do yours have different mounting positions like an alpine ski? Like can you do a more forward mount if you plan on a lot of switch skiing? |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: March-01-2012 at 5:36pm
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I may be wrong, but I think my skis came with a couple holes to add the HO bindings to them. We didn't buy the bindings, we just used some wiley jump bindings we had laying around so we had to drill new holes and put those on. On the HO's you can drill and add new where ever you wish, but they did not really offer you to go anywhere but right in the middle of the ski. I wouldn't recommend going off center, they ride high in the water on boat side regardless of where the weight/boot is.
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-02-2012 at 1:45pm
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The newer Wiley plates have holes in all the proper locations to fit most insert patterns. You can swap this plate on any binding really. ------------- |
Posted By: Maximal691
Date Posted: March-02-2012 at 3:53pm
| Noted. |