Am I screwed??
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Topic: Am I screwed??
Posted By: crooney70
Subject: Am I screwed??
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 12:32pm
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I just bought a 1979 Ski Tique (on May 8th) for $3000. I am a novice at inboards. Everything seemed ok with the boat when we tested it in the water and the seller said everything in it was solid. The engine sounded great and the floor solid as well. Just needs lots of tlc and a good cleaning(the hull especially) Well as I am beginning to clean the inside, I have noticed the fiberglass covering the stringers is craked all along the top and water has rotted out the stringers I am almost certain. This is now a project boat! That is not what I wanted, and especially for $3000! I did not know what to look for to see if stringers were solid until looking around in the forums here. Man do I now feel stupid! Do I have any recourse with this guy? What should I do? Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Posted By: crooney70
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 12:44pm
| Me again. This guy had to know the stringer system was rotted out. I mean I am a novice and it only took me a week to figure it out. He owned the boat for 3 years. I mean, I would not sell it, and fail to inform people of its true condition. |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 2:14pm
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Tough question to answer. As to whether you have recourse, it will depend upon your state and local laws.
On the other side, $3000 is actually a pretty low cost for the boat. If I assume it had a trailer, and that everthing is there, that is about what I'd expect to pay for a project boat. It is a lot of work, but you can replace the floor and stringers, fix the upholstery and buff out the exterior and probably have a boat that's worth 5-10K depending upon how well it comes out. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 2:15pm
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P.S.
If you're not having any trouble's with the boats performance, just use it this summer and figure out the repairs over the winter. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: crooney70
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 2:40pm
| It is actually in pretty good cosmetic shape inside. The seats are in good shape as well as the carpet. I would not replace the carpet if the floor did not need replaced. The performance of the boat seemed ok when we test drove it with the previous owner, but again that was the first time I had been in a correct craft. It does have a trailer but not original. The engine seams to be fine. It runs very smooth and has the great exhaust note out the back, plenty of power with the 4-barrel. I wonder what floor and stringer replacement costs? Any way, I'll see how it is in the water next weekend. |
Posted By: stang72
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 3:51pm
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I agree with BKH...enjoy this summer and redwork the stringers and floor in the fall or winter...
From what you describe , you got a good price...runs good and looks good is easily a 3000.00 boat. Stringer and floor work is not high cost if you do it...and it can be done by a novice if you get the right info....a bunch of us have done it and can tell you how to go about it! Basics...when your ready , . 1.Pull the old floor up and keep it for a pattern...2.check for soaked foam ( usually soaked if stringers are rotted)...3.determine if sringers are to be replaced or repaired and rework them...4.add new foam if you wish 5. replace the floor and glaas in. 6. add carpet. You won't ever need to do it again! If you wish to take it on...when your really, we can assist in each step! ------------- stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3720/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - The Super Air |
Posted By: stang72
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 3:58pm
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Hey...forgot to mention...doing it your self is a good way to learn more! For some it's a big part of the enjoyment, knowing you did the work!
Also...in regards to the stringers, overall , they might be better than you think...you won't know for sure until you can see them all and probe a bit. In many cases, stringers can be hardened if the rot is not too deep and in spots...or new sections can be mated in. ------------- stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3720/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - The Super Air |
Posted By: crooney70
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 4:03pm
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Thanks guys! I feel much better about the boat now and I appreciate your advice on how to do the project. I will contact you when the time comes this fall.
Chris |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 4:11pm
Well, post some pictures of that boat in the meantime. BKH------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 4:47pm
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If the bolts to the motor and tranny mounts goin into the stringers are tight, then the stringers may not be as bad as you think. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Redelf75
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 5:03pm
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To address your first concern...depending on a few more details like engine condition, I don't think anyone on this site would say you got ripped off. You probably paid for what you got and the boat will probably be fine as is for at least the season. Plus, it may be cheeper than you think to repair (not replace) the stringers if you're not into doing it yourself.
One thing for sure...you came to the right place for help. ------------- |
Posted By: crooney70
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 9:21pm
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Hey BC on wawasee! I am on Tippy! So maybe you could give me some "in person" advice this fall when I decide to tear into the floor. The motor is bolted very solid to the main stringers so maybe it is not as bad as I was worried about. I will post some photos after I detail the boat on Sat. I only have until 3pm though. I forgot Imy wife and I have to go to one of her co-workers wedding. At least there will be free beer! ------------- "Rooney" on Tippy |
Posted By: scott8370
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 9:38pm
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Good comments and advice. ------------- Scott |
Posted By: pswann
Date Posted: May-18-2006 at 10:10pm
| The only thing the stringers do on a tique is hold the engine down and give you a place to screw the floor down to. I cut the top off the runners from the front to the back (the exposed part like 3.5 feeet) and used a chisel and took what was left of the wood and put a 2x6 (or was it 8) and shoved it into the same hole and used bolts to secure it to the existing fiberglass. It is thick fiberglass and when I put the bolts in it is was as strong as you could hope for. It was a great strong fix and will last a lifetime. It took a day to replace. It took me more time to clean up the motor mounts and align the engine again then it did to replace the wood. If you have to remove the foam because it is soaked then you may want to gut it. But if you rather play then fiberglass the this is the fix that I would choose. |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: May-19-2006 at 7:34am
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stang72 - If the stringers have small soft spots what do you use to harden them,resin,Por 15 or what ? My stringers had some delaminated fiberglass , but the motor mounts are tight and I'll pull the carpet & floor in the fall. |
Posted By: stang72
Date Posted: May-19-2006 at 9:28am
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First cut away the loose (cracked glass) and scrape away soft wood (what comes off easy)...wire brush and sand a bit...then coat it until it won't take any more(all is absorbed)
Products...you can thin epoxy resin...or use gitrot...or minwax wood hardener. I used the minwax product...my soft spots were where the cross section that holds the pylon meets the main stringer and not very bad...about a 1/2 inch into the stringer was firm. ------------- stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3720/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - The Super Air |
Posted By: fredo68
Date Posted: May-19-2006 at 10:30am
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crooney70
fredo68 whitley co here if you bought the boat from a private owner you have no legal recourse it was an as-is sale if you bought it from a registered indiana boat dealer he would have certanly had you sign a as-is buyers guide. 3g's for a neat old boat even needing work isnt bad, i bought my 68 mustang basket case up at james 14 years ago for 2500. cheer up no worries mate fredo68 ------------- fredo68 |
Posted By: David F
Date Posted: May-19-2006 at 11:32am
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If the motor mount bolts are holding firm, then use it as it is for now. I would go ahead and fix the cracked fiberglass so that no (more) water can get in this season. Then you can probe and fix over winter as everyone is suggesting. To fix the cracks, simply buy some fiberglass cloth tape, roughen up the cracked areas and glass in the tape over the cracks.
To probe for soft spots, drill 3/8" inch holes or so in suspect areas. You will know when you hit solid wood. If it soft, drill a series of holes in the soft area and use Gitrot or thinned epoxy resin (thin with acetone) in the holes until it will not take more. If the rot is really bad, you will never get the holes to stop taking resin and then you know you have to replace the stringer. ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: May-19-2006 at 11:44am
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Chris unless your planning on moving to Tampa/St. Petersburg area, it's going to be pretty hard for me to help you out. I need to change my signature since I'm not in IN any more. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: crooney70
Date Posted: May-19-2006 at 11:53am
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Thats ok BC. But I do feel much better now after looking at some of these boats on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Correct-Craft-Ski-Time-V8-50hrs-on-eng-wake-tower_W0QQitemZ4642086249QQcategoryZ63686QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Correct-Craft-Mustang-Ski-Wakeboarding-Boat_W0QQitemZ4639638098QQcategoryZ63686QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I promise to post photos of mine after saturday. Thanks guys for all of the info and encouragement. If I can sand wood floors in my old house, make orthopedic instuments at work, then I can definately takle this boat project and have fun learning in the process. And again, it might not even be as bad as I originally thought. I am just going to enjoy it this summer! ------------- "Rooney" on Tippy |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: May-19-2006 at 4:35pm
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$3,000 for any Correct Craft boat is good. As long as your hull and engine are in good condition, you would expect to spend some money fixing it up. I think most of us on this CCF.com have purchased their boats knowing they had to spend money on it to get it right. For me, it was over $7,000 for a $9,900 boat. Don't sweat it, just work with what you have. That's my opinion.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: crooney70
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 11:30am
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Photos!
Well guys, Here are the photos I said I would post. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1336&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 Decided to start a diarie. I forgot to take a photo of the engine but might do so this week. ------------- "Rooney" on Tippy |
Posted By: David F
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 11:56am
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For us lazy people...
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1336&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 - Crooney70's boat ------------- |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 12:01pm
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Very nice, worth the money imo.
Should perform nicely with a modern prop. Consider replacing all steering and control cables with some Morse red-jecket if they are original, replace any cable ends that tend to saw themselves over time. Loss of control is not pretty. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 12:02pm
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Chris,
I would be very happy with that purchase. Looks very complete, and the rub rail, windshield, guages and seats looks to be complete and in great shape. I would say enjoy it this summer, and maker her like new this winter. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 12:06pm
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Oh, and if your stringers are punky, consider attaching your steering like this. If the pivot pulls away from the stringer, you loose steering...
This way is bulletproof and more modern http://webpages.charter.net/ggearloose/Steering2.jpg ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: David F
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 12:19pm
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Now that is something I like! ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 12:41pm
Hey, that's not a bad looking rig. I was expecting worse. You'll have a great summer with this boat. I agree, the winter time will be an opportunity to fix it up. I'd make sure all the mechanical parts that ensure safety are up to snuff. Cosmetics can come later. Nice boat, enjoy!
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: stang72
Date Posted: May-22-2006 at 11:45pm
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Chris,
Assuming you get it all worked out and you will! Bring it to the green lake reunion! ------------- stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3720/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - The Super Air |
Posted By: dans
Date Posted: May-23-2006 at 12:20am
| Your boat looks very nice ! My 82 2001 looks almost as nice for $ 6000. I think you got a great deal . Dan |
Posted By: crooney70
Date Posted: May-29-2006 at 8:24am
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Wow guys, this weekend has been alot of fun in the Ski Tique. It sure is alot of motor for such a little boat. Very fast and responsive, much more so than I expected. But my last two boats were 16' as well but one had a 65 Johnson outboard and the other had a Volvo I/O 125hp. This is all muscle and I love it. The only bad thing is (and my wife and family think it is funny) that I have put 2 new sets of exhaust flappers on, and both have blown off when driving. I think I will glue the next pair on as well as tighten the living hell out of the hose clamps.
The exhaust note is much more pronounced and pleasing than all of the newer ski boats. My friend has a new Supra V-Drive with 390hp, and it is as quiet as our pontoon! I am over all very happy and will do the restorations over the next few winters. Love the exhaust note!!! http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1336&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 ------------- "Rooney" on Tippy |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: May-29-2006 at 8:44am
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just don't strip out the clamps by over torquing it and make sure the clamp is towards the transom as much as possible and it's square to the diameter (distance from the transom to the edge of the clamp is equal all of the way around). Come back a couple of hours after you install them and re-torque them and re-torque them again after the first time out, the heat will shrink the rubber a little but after that you should be good to go, also have the scew secton of the clamp on top. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: May-30-2006 at 1:42pm
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Chris,
What are you getting for top speed? That is a lot of engine for that boat. You would leave me in the mist I'm sure. Don't the Tique's hit 50 MPH? Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |