Surge Brakes .....no back up
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Topic: Surge Brakes .....no back up
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Subject: Surge Brakes .....no back up
Date Posted: June-20-2015 at 9:01pm
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Still fighting the ability to back up any slight grade- The trailer coupler slides and locks the brakes up. I have checked the oil in the resivior and the level is fine. This is really starting to Irritate the pi$$ out of me. Thoughts? ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-20-2015 at 9:18pm
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Greg, You said you are still fighting the brakes. Forgive me since I can't remember who it was recently with the same problem. Was it yourself? Surge brakes do have a means of locking out the braking function in the coupler. The nice automatic system is a solenoid activated by your back up lights.that cuts off the hydraulics. The manual is a lever or pin on the coupler. It stops the movement of the coupler so it doesn't compress the master brake cylinder. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: June-20-2015 at 9:19pm
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No where to put a pin in to block the coupler from sliding? Mine doesn't have one either it uses the backup light circut to trigger a solenoid to allow it to back up which is troublesome when you try to move the trailer with a tractor. I assume you have disc brakes? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: June-20-2015 at 9:31pm
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Pete Yes it was me and I am still fighting it It is a Titan Coupler with disk brakes. I will need to see if there is a spot to lock out the cylinder but do not recall one. Never had this issue up until a month ago ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 12:16am
 Is this helpful? Found it on Titan web site. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 12:27am
| What brand coupler?? |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 12:32am
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Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 8:56am
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So the Coupler is a Titan Model 60 - no way to lock out. Ground looks good although have not removed and cleaned as all lights are working. Could the cylinder that compresses when backing have given up the fight? No visible signs of oil / seal leakage. Pricey actuator...... http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/BFA3812A-4107-45F1-9C64-448EBBAF8B3F_zpsebzrjf5y.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 10:19am
The master cylinder is good. If bad, it would be leaking and you wouldn't have very much braking. The coupler moves with forward momentum of the trailer moving the master cylinder compressing the brake fluid activating the in your case the calipers, Greg, Get the VOM out and check to make sure the solenoid is getting power when the back up lights are on. Is the vehicle even wired for the lock out solenoid? Don't go changing the "pricey" solenoid before you do some testing. You don't want me calling you a "parts changer"!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
NCH20SKIER wrote:Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 7:16pm
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The VOM will have to wait until next week. I dripped the master cylinder for today to get things put away. Pete The tow vehicle is a 2015 F-150 with tow package and all factory wired so I have not had a need to get in there and mess things up. While the factory wiring could be the culprit it is doubtful. Favorite / reliable VOM meter? I need to grab one for the lake as one always proves to be where I am not. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 7:24pm
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Greg, Did a wiring diagram come with the factory tow package? My Suburban did but all the available connections were not wired. Things like auxiliary power say to a horse trailer for lighting or battery charging on a trailer. Back up lights weren't wired ether since trailers typically don't have them. Is it a 7 way round on the truck? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 8:00pm
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The newer Chevy's Pete, you know the ones with the cooled seats, are wired for the brakes but you need the round adapter to the flat 5 pin plug. I wish they would just have a lockout pin or something, would be easier. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 9:25pm
How about a cooled seat on the tractor too? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 11:00pm
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Pete It is a 7 round - I have a 7 round with a 5 flat option. I know the plug is wired as the B/U lights on the Boatmate trailer my Chris Craft sits on work ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 11:21pm
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I ran into issues with my factory plug and the 7 Round to 5 way adapter.. There are RV 7-way plugs and there are utility/cargo 7-way plugs which are the same plug wired differently....CRAZY, I know! I ran into issues running 7-way power to the RV Truck camper and at the same time running power to the 5-way boat trailer..... it was a wiring diagram fiasco! The GMC 7-way Round is wired for utility/cargo and the adapter that I had was wired for RV style...... so put a Meter on the output plug(s) and if all correct, put power to the solenoid. Mine clicks with power...... If the wiring was wrong, you would have more noticeable lighting issues..... I bet your solenoid is toast! ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 11:34pm
Not really. When Greg checks for power to the solenoid, he can also Ohm out the solenoid coil to see if it's open or not. It will be interesting to hear what he finds. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: June-21-2015 at 11:35pm
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My boat trailer actually has little white LED telltale lights that illuminate to show when it's getting current from the reverse light circuit. Also, you may have to give it a good jerk In forward first to make sure the mechanism is unloaded for the solenoid to work. |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: June-22-2015 at 9:15am
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Steve may be on to something. Each tow vehicle has an adaptor that stays with that vehicle, all issues I can recall are limited to a single vehicle / adaptor. Could be a coincidence but something that needs to be ruled out. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: June-22-2015 at 9:48am
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The Volt meter will tell you...... I was twisted 6 ways from Sunday trying to tap a marine 5-way plug into the Canadian RV 7-way plug plugged into the new GMC utility/cargo factory plug. I stopped looking at wrong googled diagrams and just slowly traced every wire with the meter........ I also used an old PWC battery for 12V to check the solenoid. I can't tell you what colors to use.... but I can tell you crazy colors are soldered to one another in my spliced adapter.... but it works slick and a plactic wire bridle covers the crazy wire colors that made me nuts! ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: June-22-2015 at 12:10pm
When I worked on this 2003 SAN trailer- hooking up to the 83 MCSS- i had to do this. The blue wire is the solenoid wire in the harness I think.. You say it worked before- but now doesn't... Kinda seems like that solenoid is bad.. ------------- 66 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5041" rel="nofollow - 93 SN If you're not living in NC, you're just camping out! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-22-2015 at 7:45pm
We won't know until the VOM comes out and he Ohm's the coil. Could also be a bad ground?? We all know it's an issue with start relays since they are grounded via the base. Trailers are nothing but a ground problem!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: June-22-2015 at 8:01pm
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Dang Greg, If I had not just bought a new to me boat, I would of taken that problematic 206 off of your hands for a even trade for my Cypress Gardens, Momba Worlds 1980, Masters 1980's, Sea World (Fresh Water Tank), Bush Gardens, Six Flags Over GA Boat in a heart beat.  Story of my life. Donald |