2001 Wakeboard Config Suggestions
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Topic: 2001 Wakeboard Config Suggestions
Posted By: 86ER
Subject: 2001 Wakeboard Config Suggestions
Date Posted: December-21-2015 at 11:02pm
| I recently purchased a 1986 2001 that I'll use primarily for skiing, wakeboarding, and tubing. As far as I can tell, the boat is as factory delivered, with the exception of electronic ignition. Myself and my buddies are all in our low to mid 50's, 30 to 60 lbs. overweight (when being kind to ourselves), haven't skied in more than 30 years, have never wake-boarded, and are essentially couch potatoes (aka Fat Boys). Given these facts, we obviously aren't planning to catch any significant air, do flips, etc., etc., nor are we looking to "Rock Out" the lake with Mega-Watt tower speakers. Assuming that we don't kill ourselves in the process, and actually progress to the point at which we might want to start jumping the wake (three minutes into the ride), will we be limited in what we can do with the tow rope tied to the transom hook or stock ski pylon, or should I consider, at the very least, getting an extended pylon? Money is not an issue, but I don't think that we really need a wake tower for what we will be doing, or do we? I'm concerned about the stress that an extended pylon might put on the through-floor mount, because no matter how well you secure it, it is likely to work that area of the boat very hard. I'm not against installing a tower if it makes sense, but then I'd have to get my cover modified and remove and install the tower every season. Certainly not show stoppers, but things to be considered. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. |
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 1:21am
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You will love the 86. Its a blast to drive and It has an inherently great wakeboard wake (size and shape) at boarding speeds without ballast. I don't board myself but I tow my son. I hear from all it is easier to get out of the water with the extended pylon. The pylon also lets you have passengers in the back seat (free ballast)The pylon has a strap and harness that goes from the nose of the boat to the top of the pylon. Properly adjusted it takes the load off the pylon mount.and works fantastic without putting a bunch of holes in your boat, ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 10:09am
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Definitely get the X-pylon. It pulls you up out of the water, my arms can really tell the difference without it. I wouldn't bother with ballast if you are a beginner Recommend a Acme 540 prop if you still have the stock federal. Get the biggest board you can find, as that will also be easier to get on top of the water.. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 10:44am
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Pat, First off, congrats on the boat and post some pics. Everyone here loves pics. Secondly, you'll quickly find out that tubing doesn't bode very well here. There have been countless discussions on the lack of talent needed to partake but on the flip side, it has also been a stepping stone for countless young ones before strapping a ski on so be prepared for that discussion....again. There have also been countless debates about tower vs. extended pylon. A quick search should provide hours of entertainment. Purists believe a pylon is the only way to go to keep the lines and intended use for the boat intact without drilling holes and mounting that God awful cage on top of your classic ride. If you want a tower, buy a boat that came from the factory with one and don't f**k up a classic. I guess you can tell which side of the fence I'm on. FYI, an extended pylon will actually cause less strain on your pylon because it's being anchored from the top so that is not a concern. Several here have made a loose, unusable pylon work for a season or more with a properly adjusted extend pylon without a problem. On the flip side, I also see the benefits of a tower and the space it can free up on the floor. Properly installed, it is much more stronger and can take side loading where an extended pylon cannot. So what does that mean???? I wouldn't want to try an "around the boat" with an extended pylon where a tower works fine. So if that trick is going to be in your repertoire you'll want a tower. Virtually anything else that I can think of an extended pylon will suffice. Ultimately the choice is yours and one you have to live with. My suggestion would be to get out and enjoy the boat. Get a feel for the old girl. Play around and get some water time skiing and wakeboarding. The whole concept of a higher pull point was never thought of when your boat was built and contrary to popular opinion, you don't need a higher pull point to be able to enjoy any watersports. If you feel you must have a higher pull point, then get an extended pylon to get used to it without doing any damage to the boat. After you get some experience and decide that a tower may work out better for you, sell the pylon and install a tower. Extended pylons resell pretty easily. Where in FL are you? A lot of members here from FL. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 10:49am
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[QUOTE=86ER] I'm concerned about the stress that an extended pylon might put on the through-floor mount, because no matter how well you secure it, it is likely to work that area of the boat very hard. QUOTE] This is not really a significant concern with an 86 Ski Nautique. That boat was designed around securing that pylon. The floor of the cockpit plays no significant role in securing the pylon. There is a thick aluminum cradle spanning the stringers of the boat that directly ties the pylon to the engine mounts. You will very likely bend the pylon before you loosen the mount. Get the extended pylon, correctly install it, and there are no worries - it greatly improves the wakeboarding experience even for beginners and will help you on your deepwater barefoot starts as well. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 11:15am
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I agree with the others on the extended pylon. It should work fine for what you're trying to do. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 12:21pm
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Since you guy's have never wakeboarded and everybody above covered the pylon question I will offer my 2 cents on wakeboarding. One thing I see often when teaching new boarders is the rider plowing too much and hurrying to stand up. Before you start, rotate the front of the board down by bending at the ankles and pointing toes towards the boat, so the board is at a 45 deg angle (or less) to the water surface, you do not want the board perpendicular to the surface when learning the start. Don't be in a hurry to stand up, rise slowly, that lower center of gravity should help with your balance. Forward foot can usually be determined by having the person relaxed standing straight up at attention per say, push them slightly in the center of the chest or center of back, whichever foot they catch themselves with "should" be their forward foot. Also if the person can imagine running and then sliding on ice, which foot would they lead with, same result, that would be their front foot. For beginner big guys you will want to run in the 18-20mph range, easy throttle at the start and slowly come up to speed. Good luck, betting you guy's are going to have a blast!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 12:26pm
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Folks, Appreciate all of the information. I'll go with the pylon and see how that works out. I live in Melbourne, FL, but I'll be using the boat on lake Upstate NY. Unfortunately, the boat is currently up there, so I won't be able to get pics until the spring. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 12:37pm
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What lake in upstate NY? (my old stomping grounds...and JoeinNY's current stomping grounds) ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 1:15pm
proper tubing config
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 1:45pm
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1CASMAE_enUS563US564&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=acidents%20from%20tubing" rel="nofollow - Acidents from tubing Kevin says it all:
------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
backfoot100 wrote:Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 4:41pm
| I'll be using it on Lake Bonaparte, which is a small lake located in Harrisville, about 50 minutes from Watertown. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 4:53pm
| very well written opening post btw |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: December-22-2015 at 5:36pm
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Well that certainly qualifies as upstate NY. (some people think anything north of the Tappan Zee Bridge is upstate). I spent my summers about 60 miles south of that on a lake in Forestport. In 1971, I spent a summer in Watertown. Met a guy there that the following summer became my "let's teach ourselves to barefoot" buddy. Most memorable summer ever. You didn't mention barefooting in your plans....never say never!!! 1972  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-26-2015 at 6:21pm
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Good choice to go with the pylon. Honestly, just getting the rope up high so your gang can sit anywhere in the boat is the reason to go with it, of course the other advantages are there as has been mentioned. I'm a new boarder as well and the learning curve is steeper than I figured it would be, my ski experience isn't doing me much good! Congrats on the boat, and a huge congrats on you and your buddies taking on a new sport. You're going to have a blast! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: td_in_nc
Date Posted: December-26-2015 at 11:27pm
| I used a pylon on my 1985 SN2001 Worked great as it got the rope high enough if you need to have people sit in the back seat. Once you get confident enough to start jumping shorten the rope about 5 to 10' in front of the shortest loop (this will bring you a good wake for jumping). and slow down to about 15 mph water is much softer and less painful at this speed especially since we are not as you as we use to be. At least until you are comfortable. I agree with the other comment to get the right sized board. I weigh 200 lbs and learned on my kids 118 board - it was exhausting. When I got a new 142 board I was amazed how much easier it was. If money is no object I would get a couple of lessons so you learn the right/easy way |
Posted By: Faceplant
Date Posted: December-26-2015 at 11:50pm
| Own a 1988 - 2001 . I use a pylon and works just fine . I add 1200 lbs of ballast and board at 22 mph . Started when I was 44 and am now 52 . You said that you aren't planning on catching any significant air . I have a feeling that after getting over the initial fear you will probably be getting more than you planned . I mean , why not ? Have FUN !! Just start out slow and progress accordingly . |
Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-27-2015 at 11:20pm
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Guys, Thanks again for all of the great information. Several weeks ago I purchased a Acme 540 prop based upon internet research, but it was good to see the same recommendation from member SNobsessed. I'm currently considering the stainless Sky High X Pole pylon extension. Does anyone have any comments (good or bad) regarding this pylon extension, or any others? I prefer to get one that slides over the existing factory pylon. Also, I noticed that in almost all of the wakeboard training videos that I've viewed, the front skeg has been removed from the wakeboard. Is this the preferred configuration, or just the recommended configuration for beginners? Additionally, what length tow rope would you recommended for the 2001 for beginners? I've currently got a generic ski tow rope, but I have no idea how long it is.. I'm sure that at least some of these questioned have been answered in the past, so I apologize if I'm repeating them. |
Posted By: td_in_nc
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 10:13am
| I would recommend leaving the skegs/fins on and learn to ride regular and goofy from the start. We learned at full length which is good at first because it give you plenty if room to manuever before you cross the wake. I recommend not going faster than 16-18 when you are just learning to get up as falls are much softer at that speed. We Adjust the rope length to get the best part of the wake for the speed the rider is comfortable at. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 10:59am
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I have Stainless steel Fly Hi, works just fine. I have the bow strap tied to the lift ring so that I can leave the strap on when trailering. Saves a few minutes threading the strap thru the bow eye each time. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 11:05am
Oh boy, here we go. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 11:08am
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Thanks for the chuckle Larry, I was just about to post "uh oh"! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 11:12am
Private Conrad.. what is your major malfunction!!! LOL, so the OP knows, tying to the lift ring is not really recommended ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 11:18am
Doh!  ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 11:29am
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Chris, I'm in shock!!   ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 11:59am
| Absolutely do not use a polypropylene "ski" rope from a high pull. It can come recoiling back into the boat with a vengeance. Get yourself a non-stretch spectra/dyneema rope. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 3:44pm
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Geez guys, The nylon strap that goes around the bow, not the cable that goes to the pylon. If I had said 'cable', then you would have had legitimate ammunition. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 3:56pm
------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 5:58pm
Chris, it's been proven time and again that even a 1/4" bungee with 4 lbs. of pressure from the side on the lifting ring can cause a Nautique to destruct into tiny pieces.  ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: December-28-2015 at 6:17pm
Trust us. It's not pretty. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Okie Boarder
Date Posted: December-29-2015 at 5:28pm
That was what I had on the Supra I used to have, when I first bought it. It did a great job and was definitely better than just the tow hook. I agree with some of the earlier comments about an extended pylon versus the tower. I didn't see a noticeable difference when I went to a tower, except board storage and the ability to put speakers up there.
We started with the fins (skegs) in, but quickly went to no skegs at the recommendation of others. The fins do help for the board to track where you want, but taking them out forces you to use your edges more, which can benefit you later.
I would start with a long length so you have plenty of room to maneuver and get used to riding. As soon as you are comfortable, shorten up to wherever your wake is nice and clean. The shorter you go with the rope, the more you'll get into the clean lippy area of the wake, that is also more narrow. Even if you don't want to do any jump tricks, this allows you some fun edging and carving areas and the ability to do some lip slides on a nice clean peak. Once you get the hang of it, look into getting a wakeboard specific rope that has minimal to no stretch to it. |
Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-30-2015 at 11:21pm
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Based upon member recommendations, I'm going with the following: 1) ACME 540 prop (already purchased) 2) Stainless Ski High X-Pole pylon extension 3) Hyperlite Motive 140 cm wakeboard (already purchased) 4) Proline (Dyneema) 80 foot LG2 3 section flatline tow rope (already purchased) Thanks again to all who contributed. Now I just have to wait another 5 months before I can test this stuff out. |
Posted By: Okie Boarder
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 1:10am
| Sounds like a good start. If you need any more gear, let me know. We still have a few board/binding sets and rope. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 1:37am
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I know, the wait seems forever this time of year. Just today a guy I work with and I were talking about going boating 5 months from now. How come you don't partake in water sports in FL in the winter? Nice list! Maybe add a pair of gloves? And does your boat have a good mirror on it already? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Blamey
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 2:53am
Okie, What have you got? I am looking for a board for my wife/small riders. Anything that would fit somebody in the 120 to 160 LBS range. ------------- 96 Super Sport Previously: 95 Sport Nautique, 1980 Ski Supreme |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 11:04am
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Don't forget to add a "Ring & Finger' saver attachment for your OEM pylon. The 86 should have the "Ring & Finger " set up on the pylon so PLEASE do not hack it up to be able to use the extended pylon on it. They are unique to the boat, aren't made anymore and are a tough item to find for those looking to replace theirs. Too many previous owners hack the finger and the ring off to slide an extended pylon over the OEM one. Either remove it or purchase the attachment from the site store... Should you choose to remove it, hang on to it to reinstall later down the road or sell it to the many guys looking for a replacement cause some yahoo (previous owner) hacked the original one! ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 11:13am
Pat, I'll second Tim's suggestion. We've seen it too many times when the boat owner becomes frustrated and impatient with removing the ring and finger and goes at it with the hack saw!  They can be removed but can be stubborn. There are even threads on removal techniques. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 11:59am
+2 Go to tachyonmotorsports.com and order their Super Deluxe Boom Mount. It's rather pricy but worth every penny. You can keep the ring and finger intact for a standard pylon rope attachment and use the SDBM for mounting your extended pylon to. Several here have them and swear by them.   ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: Okie Boarder
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 1:56pm
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I still have all three of these board and binding sets for sale. The smallest one or the middle one might be a good fit for the wife and smaller riders. I also have a good non-stretch rope and handle (Liquid Force if I remember correctly) http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35539&title=three-liquid-force-boards-and-bindings-for-sale" rel="nofollow - Boards Thread |
Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 7:38pm
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As far as Florida watersports go, I have a 28 ft sailboat that I haven't used in about 10 years because I got too busy. Now it's barnacled to the bottom of the Indian River, so it would take some work to make use of it. I'm going to try to sell it this year. As far as wakeboarding/skiing goes, I don't live near any decent sized lakes that would be conducive to wakeboarding/skiing. The Banana River used to be the place to wakeboard and ski, but it has since become a no wake zone except in the channel, so watersports are out. The Indian River would work on occasion, but it develops a pretty good chop on most days I think I'm good on equipment for the moment. I suspect that I may be looking for more toward the middle or end of next season, based upon how we make out. I hear you guys on the "ring and finger". If I have trouble getting it off, I'll go a different route on the extended pylon. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-02-2016 at 3:28pm
| At first I envisioned Chris using his bow strap through only the lifting ring but now think he uses just right but instead of removing it from the bow eye each time just leaves it "teathered" to the bow lifting ring until the next outing. |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-02-2016 at 6:32pm
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Big people are a challenge for wakeboarding. Quinner talks about not letting the board get parallel to the transom. I also think rotating your hips as the boat moves to make the board angle towards the boat with the front foot forward. You'll exit the water with the front foot first going a little bit sideways but it's much easier. Creating that ramp with the board will get larger carcasses up and out sooner before hands invariably give out. Quinner is a good teacher. He finally got it through my thick skull on deep water slalom Starts (although the lesson took a night's sleep to finally sink in). I usually slalom start both feet in, eyes closed pushing on the front foot. You guys should be slaloming with that boat. All this boarding talk and jumps are for skinny kids. ------------- 2008 MasterCraft 197TT 1996 Nautique Super Sport 1988 Waterlogged Supra Mariah |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: January-02-2016 at 6:56pm
Deep water starts are much easier on a wake board than single ski. It is all about surface area. Boards are a slippery until you get a bit of edge control and the falls seem to be always faceplants  Keep the speed as low as possible around 18mph to minimise the numbness of facial tissue. Leave the fins (skegs) on the board until you have got good edge controlEventually you will get to a stage where jumping is involved this is where you need to be careful with 50 year old knees. Keep the bindings somewhat loose so you exit the board when falling. The worse thing is having one foot still in the binding and the other out. It puts a lot of twisting stress on the knee. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-02-2016 at 8:14pm
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Mark, I agree 100% on getting up, I put 4 times the effort into getting up on my ski as I do on a wakeboard. I still suck at wakeboarding, hope to make some progress this coming year, but getting up is very easy for me. Not that I can jump yet, but the little bit of air I've gotten off the wakes made me wonder if I'll be able to land a full wake jump with my creaky knees. We'll see. Since we've gone over our similar orthopedic problems, how do you find the landings? And yes, every fall is a faceplant! I find the 19 mph wakeboard falls are much more painful than my slalom falls. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: January-02-2016 at 10:51pm
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Dave I had my first ride on a wakeboard on new years day in over 18 months. I would only be at intermediate level at best. As I can go wake to wake with an odd 180. I was rusty and took a few hits. In the last few years I decided that I would try to improve my sloppy slalom skiing. On the board I was sticking mainly to surface tricks and riding goofy. That is one thing we did wrong when learning. I think you should be proficient natural and goofy before you go forward to clearing both wakes make sure you can jump one wake both toe and heelside. I tweaked my knees occasionally and did not want to risk another reconstruction so have backed away from boarding except for the odd social dual run with my daughters and friends. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: January-03-2016 at 12:19am
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I plan to take it slow and see how it goes. I had so much fun last summer, was healthier physically than I had been in years, don't want to end that run! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: January-30-2016 at 10:16pm
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Pat I too am a large guy . I am 6 ft 4in and 300lbs. When my wife went to buy my wakeboard from the dealer she said " what's the biggest board you sell. He told her and she said "ok then double that". LOL!!! I wakeboard and I'm 39 and very tall I use a fly high ski pylon on my 1987 SN 2001 and the normal ski rope. Learn how to get up normal before you start to learn "goofy" or" reverse from your normal ride style". I cant jump or flip but I do enjoy riding my board around the lake. One thing I can say is adjust your bindings on land, before you start. Just stand behind your board normal and take notice of the way your feet stand "NATURALLY" The fly high has many adjustment points to better suit your boat and make it easier to take the work away from your floor pylon. There is a pretty cool turnbuckle you have to snap before you start and it has many adjustments as well!! Have fun!!!! ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |