Wake Havoc
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Printed Date: April-27-2024 at 6:46pm
Topic: Wake Havoc
Posted By: 63 Skier
Subject: Wake Havoc
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:24am
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Saw this on another forum I watch: http://www.performanceboats.com/jet-boats/329210-i-made-submarine.html" rel="nofollow - Swamped The little bit we've surfed, with a fair amount of ballast, I've cringed a bit at the wake we put up, not so much for boats at docks (not enough wake to do damage), but fishermen in small boats getting rocked around. Yet my not-quite-surfable wake is a ripple compared to a G21, and a G23 has to be beyond belief. I wonder how many low freeboard boats will have the same fate as this one. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: DayTony
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:36am
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Thats a real shame, no one wants to see their boat underwater. Freeboard in those boats is near nonexistent . Not sure i would keep it tied to open water stern out like that. I would hate to be the owner of the "wake" boat and get that call from insurance. At least it didn't get swamped underway with passengers aboard injuring people and hydro locking the engine. At least at the dock it is salvageable, if they were able to float it in a reasonable amount of time. ------------- 1988 Barefoot nautique-454 |
Posted By: Blamey
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:40am
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The link has posts saying the wake boat is responsible but I find that unlikely unless they were breaking some specific law like riding in a no wake zone. Anybody know what would really happen in this situation assuming the wake boat was not too close? ------------- 96 Super Sport Previously: 95 Sport Nautique, 1980 Ski Supreme |
Posted By: DayTony
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:42am
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in MA you are responsible for any damage your wake causes. hard part is someone proving it was your wake and your wake alone that caused any said damage. so what it comes down to is who has the better lawyer. ------------- 1988 Barefoot nautique-454 |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:49am
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I don't know the regs. If they were close to shore or in a no wake zone I'm sure they are liable, not sure if that's the case if they were in a legal spot on the water. My last jet boat was low freeboard, pretty similar to that boat. I know what you're saying about leaving it stern out but I can tell you it would take a mountain of a wake to do that to my boat. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:59am
| I don't understand why most people surf while never letting go of the rope think they need a 3 foot wave. 99% of the locals here will never progress to riding the wake without the rope to hold on to. What the sport is doing to small lakes around here is terrible. |
Posted By: DayTony
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 2:01am
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coast guard website states that there may be State or local laws which specifically address "wake" for the waters in question. and goes on to say "As to whether or not a particular vessel is responsible for the damage it creates is a question of law and fact that is best left to the Courts." so to me its a battle of the all mighty wallet. not sure if power squadron is the port authority in MA but i found this. I tried making it a link but failed sorry https://www.usps.org/e_stuff/documents/massachusetts-boating-law.pdf no doubt it did take a massive wake for it to do that. I'm sure you've seen the rollers that come off some of these new wakesurf boats, its a jet skiers dream. There will always be people who don't care, but in our sport we should always be aware of the potential our wake has. even 150' away. ------------- 1988 Barefoot nautique-454 |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 9:01am
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According to the above posted document ·" Make sure that your wake doesn’t rock other boats, docks, etc. Your wake is considered a part of your boat, and you are responsible for any damage or injury caused by your wake" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 9:42am
| Had me at "stern out". Had it coming. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 10:37am
I dunno. On some shorelines it's not always feasible to put a boat bow out. On our little lake, the dock you see in my avatar, no way I could put either inboard bow out. Jet boat yes, though less convenient. In all our years there I've never seen a boat that could swamp anything I've had tied up, but then again it's only a 3 mile long lake. I don't know the answer to this one, curious what people think - if a G23 goes by 100 ft. out, and again a 1/2 mile out, is there much difference in the wake that hits the shore? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Hollywood wrote:Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 10:52am
| Know the limits and capability of your vessel and take some responsibility for it. If not swamping isn't feasible maybe rethink boating there. |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 10:56am
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Two sides of this one is A, that boat was left kind of vulnerable so I put some of the responsibility of the boat owner. B. If your body of water isn't large enough to surf then don't ballast up and surf, simple as that.. Go find a larger body of water or a new hobby. If you boat on a little puddle you should not be surfing After I ski and my wife wakeboards I take her surfing because she enjoys it and owns half the boat, if she wants to surf we surf....when we are in an appropriate area to do so. Typically on our river you can find a place to be out of the way and not really bother anyone. That's just the way the river works, MOST everyone gets along pretty good and stays out of each others way. Only other places we've surfed are Green lake or Lake Clinton which are large bodies of water that get so blown out you can barely go for a boat ride in the afternoon anyway so might as well do something and surf. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 11:09am
I would imagine a majority of these giant ballast ships owners are totally naive to this fact. On smaller lakes Huge ballast and thirfers will eventually cause a tightening of the noose for all towed water-sports, it's quite unfortunate. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 11:12am
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Alan, can you define B.? What is the size of a body of water that is too small to surf? BTW, I'm not anti-surfing at all. I'm just wondering how to balance the new phenomenon of boats that put out wakes equivalent to 40 ft. cruisers on lakefront property and boats. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 11:14am
| As the boats evolve (swell) so must the property owners. |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 11:33am
Can't put a hard definition on it but in comparison to some lakes I do or have boated on: Tyler Lake, CT 187 acres NO Deep Lake, Il 200 acres NO Falls Pond, ma 122 acres NO Lake Clinton, IL 4900 acres YES Green Lake, Wi, 7920 acres YES I also consider whether the shoreline is improved(homes) or unimproved and the impact we will have on others using the lake at that particular time. It comes down to being responsible and courteous. I do make an exception for fisherman, if I wave and you look the other way...surfs up! That was a joke.....sort of. |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 11:35am
| I would say that if the surf boat puts out a bigger wake then the lake naturally sees, it's not a good lake to surf on. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 11:53am
Our lake is 1,149 acres. Another I've skied quite a bit on is 653 acres. I've seen G21 equivalent boats on both. I know you and I are responsible and courteous, but I think what Quinner says is true. Just like we've at times been aggravated with jet skis or tubers, there will be irresponsible and not at all courteous people throwing giant wakes and causing changes in water sports laws. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 12:19pm
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I believe that in my area it won't be long till the DCNR starts making rulings on where and when large wakes will be allowed, mostly due to shoreline erosion. I also can see that in the near future there will be a lot more no wake zones popping up which will definitely impact skiing and other activities. There is enough lake front property owners with the money and political pull that they will get the no wake zones posted because their tired of getting knocked around on their docks, that will impact a lot of the coves we ski in now. |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 12:20pm
Sad but true, FYI Quinner lives on the Deep Lake reference above and no one belongs surfing there. As for your lake at 1149 fully developed I would suspect you couldn't get far enough away from shore to surf it. Also unfortunatley I don't see any point in trying educate people either because the majority of the boating public has gotten so ignorant to common sense, etiquette, courtesy that it borders on dangerous to approach someone on the water to try to explain anything to them. Case in point a few weeks ago we were searching for a shoreline to ski and came upon one of our typical spots so I idled down. As we got closer I realized that there was already another boat tucked in to shore using the lane. They were still on the platform getting geared up and were not even close to getting started so I powered up and ran straight down their line at slalom speed to leave the smallest trace I could. It would have taken me 15 minutes to idle out of their way so running at speed is exactly what I would have expected them to do to me. Well I got fingers and arms up like WTF are you doing to OUR water. I almost turned around to explain and decided they weren't worth getting me any more upset than I was. I've resigned to the fact that Dumb asses are dumb asses and it's best to leave them alone. Shame really because we will see them again and I'll be that *************** that screwed up their water. Whatever DUDE. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 12:20pm
I imagine this discussion has been going on since Ole Evinrude first hung a motor --- ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 12:34pm
No surfin on our 250 acre lake. The non factory ballast line is stupid. A fully ballasted G23 would be legal on our lake. That language got put in by a guy involved in the rules committee with a boat with tanks for wakeboarding and he justified it by saying some sailboats have ballast tanks so we cant prohibit those. (Notice the addition of "Larry's Law" in that language.) ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:04pm
| You guys are heavily regulated, like a country club neighborhood. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:34pm
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After reading Larry's 8.4.5.8 rule, Wondering what any of you may know about putting random markers out in the lake with regard to state law. On my lake starting to see more and more lakefront owners placing "balls" along their lot lines, problem is they just seem to be putting them further and further out. The wicked witch of the lake put hers about 200 feet from shore this year, she uses those big bouncy balls with a handle. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:54pm
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New York State requires all mooring bouys and swim rafts to be within 100 feet of shore unless you get a specific authorization - ie swim camp swim area or yacht club mooring area. They should also be white and have reflective tape around them ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 1:57pm
| Read your IL rule book. Laws vary greatly from state to state. ME has few laws. NH is heavily regulated. My belief is the last thing you want to do is call in the law when there's a problem. Try to work it out with the people on the lake, otherwise they start passing laws. |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 2:07pm
| Ya I thought those were slalom buoys and maybe that's why she's always so angry looking! |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 2:18pm
And your point is....?   Yeah, there are a lot of rules, some of which are a pain, but they are all worth it to not have jet skis around. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: June-22-2016 at 3:26pm
Nothing that a little night snorkling couldn't fix.....  ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: June-23-2016 at 8:34am
So true. Although the only place I don't care about getting into it with someone is at the ramp. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: DayTony
Date Posted: June-23-2016 at 8:43am
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I'm pretty sure every one of us is guilty of being that guy at some point in our boating careers, Whether it was just being young and ignorant, or a "oops", didn't realize you were there or totally missed that Marker, etc.. so i think a few educational talks here and there are warranted. It's all how it is approached. ------------- 1988 Barefoot nautique-454 |
Posted By: DayTony
Date Posted: September-07-2016 at 11:00am
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=726_1472759193 ------------- 1988 Barefoot nautique-454 |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: September-07-2016 at 12:13pm
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Holy crap. Not his fault. The white sign with orange circle said idle speed only. That was idle speed, idle for cruise ship. ------------- Please support The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort 1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: September-07-2016 at 4:05pm
| Big Block power! |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-07-2016 at 4:24pm
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That's kind of sad to watch. You'd think they would be aware of the damage they could do and would proceed very slowly. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: September-07-2016 at 4:26pm
| Using jet thrusters like that for steering close to shore is the sign of an inexperienced ship captain or crew. That's nuts to put that kind of power into jet thrusters at port. Maybe the infamous Italian Ship Captain got re-hired? |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: September-07-2016 at 4:47pm
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Carnival just bought a marina! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: skyfuzz
Date Posted: September-12-2016 at 3:16pm
Not too many boat waves on our lake dare go over the aft of my huge '69 Wildcat but it takes a beating when at the dock on any given day but especially on weekends. This is where my mooring comes in handy on those tsunami moments. These were some big ones coming at my boat:    ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7613&sort=&pagenum=1 |