1972 SN Promo Project
Printed From: CorrectCraftFan.com
Category: General Correct Craft Discussion
Forum Name: General Discussion
Forum Discription: Anything Correct Craft
URL: http://www.CorrectCraftFan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39931
Printed Date: April-27-2024 at 6:29am
Topic: 1972 SN Promo Project
Posted By: Frankenotter
Subject: 1972 SN Promo Project
Date Posted: September-18-2016 at 10:30pm
|
I finally got home after a long stretch on the road followed by a wedding, As some of you have already seen, Dan posted here with the idea that he might sell his 72 Promo. I had a work trip in Oakland a few weeks ago so I got a hold of him and rented a car to come check it out. I hope Dan can chime in here with the correct story of how he ended up owning it. As a remember it, some guy had a lot with a ton of different boats and other vehicles. This orange hull stuck out of the pack. Dan, being a Correct craft fan (he owns a 79 BFN and 91 SN), knew that it was something special and tried several times to get it. When I came to see her, it sat in a lot 1hr west of Oakland, CA just like this.  As you can see, it's very very rough, but complete. The gel is in decent shape, the stringers are toast, the interior is gone (minus the frames), the trailer is not for an inboard, the rudder and tracking fins are bent, and 2 of the speedos are hooped.     The Chrysler 340 is in unknown condition. I didn't have a breaker bar in my suitcase but the dipstick still had oil in it and all the components are present. As you can see, the manifolds have been removed to get bead blasted. Reid.............I'm going to need your help on this one bud!      ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Replies:
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: September-18-2016 at 10:50pm
|
So, I started incessantly pestering Dan about buying this beast. After he thought about it for a while, he called me back and gave me a price that was lower than I was willing to give him. Super cool guy and he just wanted to see it live! At this time, Mr. Hall (aka BKHallPass) drove out to pick her up. Brian has gone way above and beyond acting as a personal bank, photographer, transportation, and storage facility.    Now a few mysteries, the plaque says "73". I thought these promos were all made in 72? Also does anyone know a Don McClelland? It would be cool to find out where this thing came from.   Is this the serial number?  ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: barefootdan
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 2:44am
|
Diablo ski club is located in Brentwood CA. So here is the story on how I obtained this boat it was something like 1998 when my dad told me about this boat located in a secured parking lot in stockton CA, so I would go to check it out, I found the owner of the lot and asked if he would leave the owner of the boat a message that I wanted to buy the boat, I never heard back from him. I would always drive by it just to look at it. One day the lot was empty. About 2 months later I got on the am track train going to bakersfield and sitting high in the train I see over a fence the boat again, once again I try to contact the owner with no reply again. A year or two pass then I find the boat in another secured parking lot and again I would drive by then finally one day I drive by and the gate was open and guys were moving vehicles. I asked if they knew the owner of the boat and the said yea he's across the street. This guy had about 20 junk cars and three boats. He was the classic hoarder did not want to sell me the nautique. I pretty much begged him for about an hour until he realized I wasn't leaving without it, it worked he sold me the boat in 2014. It then took me another year and a half to get it regestered in my name. That was the most difficult thing I couldn't tell you guys how many times I went to DMV and left there pulling my hair out. So that's my story. |
Posted By: barefootdan
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 2:47am
| I called this boat punkn while I had it. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 8:52am
| Yes, that is the serial number. We will have to compare it to the other promos and have Art pull the build sheets. Will be interesting to see the production dates, I have seen a mix of '72 and '73 hardware on the orange promo boats, but they are generally believed to be '72 model year. Of course, the model year demarcation was a little fuzzier back then. My theory is that the dark green promos were ~70, the yellow promos like Paul Waters were ~71's and the red/white/blue boats came in '73. |
Posted By: Chevy350
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 10:32am
|
Looks like a good project, would love to have one. ------------- 1972 Mustang |
Posted By: relake
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 11:23am
|
This looks like it will be an awesome project to follow, good luck! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8310" rel="nofollow - '97 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 12:53pm
|
Pull a valve cover and check the head casting numbers. I am curious what factory 340 marine used. Get that diablo ski club sticker reproduced. That's wicked cool. |
Posted By: illiniball2000
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 1:17pm
|
This is going to be a fun project. I would love to come check it out when you get her settled and start working on it. Congrats! ------------- Beer is my friend 87 Dominique Had 67 Starflite |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 1:24pm
They probably don't make that exact decal any longer, but Diablo Ski Club is still around. Over 50 years old now. About 15 minutes from my house, by boat. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
phatsat67 wrote:Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 2:03pm
| That's pretty neat. Artwork was so much cooler back then for logos and such. |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 3:44pm
|
So is the doghouse supposed to be some sort of yellow, or orange to match the rest? ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 3:46pm
|
BTW - Chris, I am pretty sure I remember my doctor saying something about no repetitive motion like sanding. Yep he was pretty specific about that... ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: SWANY
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 4:00pm
Wait for it.... |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 4:02pm
It is suppose to match the boat. There is a lot of sun fading on the doghouse, and more cracks than any of the other gel. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Chevy350
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 4:05pm
Should be orange, I can't tell if I'm seeing it correct, but that looks like a motor box from the yellow promos. ------------- 1972 Mustang |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 4:40pm
|
Looks orange to me! Just very faded. ------------- |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: September-19-2016 at 8:37pm
|
Congrats Chris! My favorite pic you posted is actually the one of the block with the "340" suffix. I was just hoping that the engine hadn't been falsely identified or replaced sometime back in it's history. I'll keep my fingers crossed that she spins over and is a keeper, as it's the first Promo I've seen that actually came with a 340. So welcome to the Promo Club (I'm now a member by virtue of the one Tim Benj, Joe and Uncle Todd and I picked up), and we'll look forward to seeing your progress. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: September-21-2016 at 1:03pm
|
Awesome, thanks for the story Dan! I wonder if anyone at Diablo knows Don McClelland. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: September-21-2016 at 1:05pm
Yea the doghouse is in bad shape. Spider cracks on the top and very very faded. I'm guessing the gel wasn't applied as thick as it was on the hull. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: September-21-2016 at 1:09pm
Tanks Reid! I cant wait to get it here so I can start investigations. I have an engine stand ready but where do you start with an engine that's has possibly been sitting for 20+ years? do you even try to turn it over with a little oil in the cylinders? I think I forgot to mention in the first post, it has two popped freeze plugs. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-21-2016 at 1:15pm
|
IMHO, Yes you put marvel in the cylinders and try to turn it by breaker bar. .If it is going on a stand anyway, and it has two popped freeze plugs you take it apart. and get a look at it. if its super clean and oily inside you have to consider running it as is. If its grungy or loose at all then you go down to the bare block and have it magnafluxed before you decide next steps.. If the boat was ready to go and it rolls over by hand I would probably be apt to just get it running and see if it makes water in the oil. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: September-21-2016 at 1:32pm
Thanks Joe - this is the kind of stuff / advice we are going to need... It looks like Chris and I will be working together on this rebuild, actually we will be doing two.. His will be a full engine mine is only half...  Chris maybe we should start an engine rebuild thread, probably two... Of course, let's get the boat back here first. We also need to look at your new found garage space. We may want to do the engines across the street as opposed to your storage facility. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: September-30-2016 at 6:34pm
|
Well, I think this boat is ready to hit the road. Wish I had a spare tire to throw in. Oh well. It's strapped down, lights work, tires are full of air. Let' see what happens. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-30-2016 at 6:46pm
| I'll give it 100 miles. |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: September-30-2016 at 7:37pm
Well, I towed it about 50, no issues, and the hubs didn't even warm up. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: September-30-2016 at 8:07pm
|
I would have liked to put HW's prediction to the test. Unfortunately, the truck driver's truck blew a transmission today. Looks like a 2 week setback. Sigh........ ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: September-30-2016 at 9:09pm
|
In related good news, with the rent my wife plans to charge for garage space, I'll be buying a new SN200. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-01-2016 at 12:16am
I'm pretty sure Joel got a 200 this year. I'll just start checking his garage for weaknesses. Not sure what color it is, but it might have some nice ski equipment included.  ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: October-01-2016 at 1:08am
Yes X2. What is that half motor attached to? ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-01-2016 at 1:38am
|
posting here just so I can be a part of watching this. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-01-2016 at 1:40am
That which it is attached to should probably get it's own thread - and it well, but for now it sort of doesn't exist in one of my realities. Waiting for the right moment to break the news (to the wife) that their might be another teeny tiny little correct craft which that motor is sitting in... I have a few projects around the house that need to be finished first though! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: barefootdan
Date Posted: October-01-2016 at 2:24am
| That trailer will make the trip I put a new axle and tires on it when I got it |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: October-01-2016 at 12:26pm
|
Crazy how you kept running across it again and again...you had to buy it. ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-13-2016 at 12:29pm
|
The boat started its trip from CA about 8pm pacific last night. Enjoy! BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-13-2016 at 12:52pm
|
Don't let the state line hit you in the stern on your way out!! Momma gets her garage back :) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-14-2016 at 1:31am
|
Any predictions on trailer durability? Hollywood said 100 miles. Last I heard it was steaming east of Salt Lake early this morning. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-14-2016 at 1:48am
|
literally steaming??? That does not sound good... ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-15-2016 at 7:45pm
|
The eagle has landed. Promo is in Milwaukee. Saw a photo behind Skutsch jeep mobile. Frankenotter stuck at a wedding. I'm sure he'll post some pics later. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-15-2016 at 7:50pm
|
Technicaly I am still in IL, just passing O'Hare now. Still an hour from its new home. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-15-2016 at 10:10pm
The boat has made it to WI and this is it's home for the next few years...   ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-17-2016 at 11:08am
| Nice Steve. Sweet garage there too. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-17-2016 at 11:13am
| Got the new Jeep I see |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-17-2016 at 10:42pm
|
and a full size refridge to stock with beer for the helpers/onlookers..... john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: October-17-2016 at 11:13pm
That California Boat is about to feel its first winter.  Nice work getting it home. Great project. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens 2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 12:14am
|
These gopro vids FINALLY finished uploading. took forever. So here's the deal........I'm going to try to document as much of this process as possible. A good portion of the info I've learned about these boats has come from browsing. The other part has come from asking the gurus. Some of the videos will be VERY elementary and hopefully others will be a little more advanced for the newbies (me). One thing they will all have in common is my un-talented voice fumbling through subjects that are all over my head. That being said.........here are the questions that need answering from vid #1. 1. what should I use to remove the bottom paint? Chemical? 2. What is the inspection hole on the top of the Velvet Drive? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CXphC0Rm0E" rel="nofollow - Vid 1 ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: dochockey
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 12:26am
|
Pettit's BioBlast 9051 ------------- 1989 Teal Ski Nautique 1967 Mustang Harris Float Sunfish |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 12:31am
|
Video 2 1. What is the noise coming from the trans? 2. Is the 72 Promo supposed to have a teak swim platform? 3. Any theory of what could have bent the rudder without damaging the fiberglass? 4. Where do I get replacement badges for the sides? 5. Is that the original pylon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2yoXLrorCc" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 12:33am
|
Inspection plate in the bellhousing is needed to set the timing on the LA/LM Chrysler. I'd go after that bottom paint with a chemical stripper. Start in a small spot and don't leave it on long... Remove with acetone. Get a feel for how it works on the gel. I used some gel chemical stripper to take the carpet glue off my skier walls and the paint off the gel scoops. Worked well but not a lot of fun. Brillo pads for the final scrub, followed by wetsanding / buffing. Carb is a Carter AFB (aluminum 4 barrel). Typical for Chrysler. |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 12:34am
|
Video 3 1. How do the valves look? 2. 2843675 / 3311.............what does it mean? 3. Is the valve cover toast? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d03e5jxp6Ik" rel="nofollow - Vid 3 ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 12:38am
|
Video 4 1. Any suggestions how to bring the doghouse back? Wetsand? 2. SHOUND I TRY TO SPIN THE ENGINE WITH THE STARTER? This would be for testing the compression before I remove the engine from the boat? That's all for now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJtsAPyaB78" rel="nofollow - Vid 4 ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 1:12am
|
I am not seeing the videos.......not that I could answer anyhow but it is fun to watch.. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 1:26am
I just added hyperlinks directly to the videos at the bottom of each post. Not sure why they show up on my phone but not my computer. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 1:27am
Is the carb worth saving, or should it get trashed/sold/upgraded? ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 1:44am
|
I can see 1,2, 4. Three is apparently private. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 2:00am
|
Thanks I think I fixed it. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 2:04am
|
thanx....I got the little blue linky thing at the bottom of your posts now! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 7:03am
|
Chris, That noise you think is from the trans I feel is something going on with the damper. It sounds like the trans is locked up and the splines on the trans input shaft and or the damper splined hub are striped. You won't know until the trans is pulled. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 10:05am
| CC didn't do platforms until 78 |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 10:10am
|
Pylon looks original. Usually white in color or just polished. The doghouse will be a challenge, but wet sanding will be the only way to try and bring back the orange. No, they wouldn't have had the swim platform on the back of that boat. Would have been stairs or nothing on the transom Great project.. Look forward to seeing the progress. That garage have heat ??? I'd work on that first !!! haha. ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 10:29am
|
Very cool project, congrats! Until you know what that noise is, you probably shouldn't turn over the engine with the starter. You could pull the transmission now, set the engine back down on the motor mounts (alignment won't matter), and turn it with the breaker bar again to see if the noise is gone (likely). If it's gone, I'd suggest an oil change, then leave the spark plugs out and spin the engine quite a few times by hand or with the starter to get some oil flow. It will make a bit of a mess with the mystery oil spitting out the plug holes. If all sounds good then you can replace plugs and do a compression test, or even see if you can start it up. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 10:37am
|
I like the videos a lot… with photo bucket almost always inoperable getting pictures on this site has become just about impossible for me to handle. What are you using for a camera? I would start with 220 dry on that motor box... once you see a bit of color return you can move to wetsanding. You might not have enough gel to work with but yellow aint going to cut it anyway… you would need to regel or cover in vinyl if you can’t find some orange under there. That transmission has a square head on a threaded plug on the top, back, port side. You unscrew it and there is a dip stick attached. That transmission is the least of your worries… readily available and rebuildable if needed. The engine looks so far so good. I don’t know that I would turn it over with the starter until you determine the source of the noise or it goes away though. Continue as you have been but now that you have the plugs removed I would consider priming oil through the engine by whatever black magic chyrsler guys do that ( pull the distributor and use a long screwdriver bit on a drill perhaps?) and then continue to roll it over by hand until it gets smooth, relatively easy, and you see all valves moving up and down. If it still makes noise at that point remove the transmission, including starter, and bell housing/damper and see if it goes away. Pete might be on the right track in that you have the output shaft of the transmission stuck to the damper.. in which case use the hole in the bellhousing where the starter mounts to remove the bolts holding the damper to the flywheel so you can separate the engine and the transmission. Bottom paint sucks… and yours does look to be covering up some cracks in the gelcote… however those cracks might not be that big and noticeable once wetsanded and buffed. Be ready to throw anything that works at that stuff.. I have used chemical strippers available at lowes.. and they do bubble up and make a certain amount removable… have plenty of plastic scrapers available to get it off when its wet as it hardens back up if you leave it too long. Once I have gotten it down to a certain patchy thinness sometimes its best to just remove the rest with acetone and Teflon pan scrubbys… still a chemical mess. And even then some will just have to be sanded likely … wear your PPE. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 12:56pm
|
Chris, Pull the starter out and turn it over with the breaker bar and see if the noise goes away. could be stuck partially extended jumping along the flywheel gear teeth. Pete's idea sounds ok but to strip the splines would take some serious force. I would imagine if it is the damper the hub/springs are broken away and spinning which would be more likely than splines on the trans or the damper being stripped. Like Joe said prime the pump. This is a little tougher on a Chrysler of any sort because you will need to remove the distributor drive gear/oil pump shaft. Chrysler distributors do not have a gear on the distributor shaft itself. The oil pump drive is female and requires a male hex insert (easiest probably to get a junk dizzy drive gear and make your own tool or buy a tool online). To remove the Dizzy drive gear use a big screwdriver. I think you need to rotate it Counter Clockwise if memory serves me and it will come up out of the cam gear. It is sort of a PITA to get out without the intake off so pick up a 90 degree pick tool that is long enough to get under the gear to help you lift it out. Also, you'll know when the pump is primed enough when you see oil start to come out under the rocker arm shaft onto the rockers. Chrysler motors put a good amount of oil up there so it should be easy to see. Getting the gear/shaft back in place is frustrating. You will need to move the pump drive in small increments with your priming tool. until you get it lined up properly that the gear will drop in and properly seat into the cam gear. Hope this is helpful. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 1:03pm
|
Spending a little more money and buying one will serve you because a straight hex shaft could mess up the distributor shaft bushing in the block. Also, don't go full throttle on your drill if you want it to live and use a cord in wall rather than battery, oil pump priming really destroys drills quickly. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-23015" rel="nofollow - Oil pump tool |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 1:31pm
|
I just re-read some of the thread, missed the part about it sitting for decades without running. Yes, definitely need to prime it first. Good info Zach, I didn't realize it was that involved with the Chrysler. I've used a half inch Milwaukee corded drill and surprises me how much torque it takes to turn an oil pump! Really have to brace the drill to keep it from twisting. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 5:48pm
| Nice project. I also like the videos. Great work |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 6:26pm
I figured that was the case with the platforms. However, I don't see any deck holes where a latter would have previously been mounted. So I guess the answer is that originally it had nothing. I think I am going to do one un-original thing which is to copy the other promos and source a teak platform ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 6:32pm
|
After reading the posts about priming the engine oil it started getting me thinking about the future of the engine. I'm totally willing to do it and prime the oil. however, given the general condition of the engine and the fact that it's missing two freeze plugs, is it worth doing this before I pull the engine apart for inspection? I'm not opposed to doing the work, but do you think A compression test is worth it even if the engine has to get torn apart for inspection? I'm not being a smart a$$ here, I'm just asking lol. Zach, I ordered the part that you suggested just because it seems like a good idea to have regardless. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 6:38pm
|
Chris, If you are planning on rebuilding the engine, your time may be better spent on tearing it down rather than trying to get it running? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 6:50pm
|
Why rebuild it if it'll run with some TLC? Get it spinning and do a compression test. Every promo (including ours) that I've seen in person has a platform that someone added after the fact. Never seen one with evidence of having had a ladder. I hate it. Removing the platform is a PITA but I'd consider it nonetheless. I would never add one. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 6:51pm
| So you have one to sell? |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 6:57pm
|
I agree with Tim 100%. Ditch the platform! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 7:01pm
I checked again... I wrote it right the first time.
|
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 7:04pm
I'll totally buy it  ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-18-2016 at 7:11pm
negative ghostrider ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-19-2016 at 9:48am
|
I'll get to the boat in Friday and try to accomplish the following: 1. Remove starter and see if noise persists. 2. Varify the trans is in neutral! 3. Disconnect the alternator and water pump. 4. Oil change............I'm assuming this is a flat tappet engine and VR1 is recommended? 5. If the priming tool arrives, prime oil system and spin engine. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-19-2016 at 10:10am
| Flat tappet for sure. Chrysler didn't put roller cams in LA engines until about 1988 ish. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-19-2016 at 10:18am
Chris, If you are verifying the trans is in neutral to find that noise, the shift lever position doesn't matter. Without the engine running, there isn't any hydraulic pressure developed by the trans pump to engage ether the forward or reverse clutch packs. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-19-2016 at 1:56pm
I kinda figured that, but I noticed the shift cable was frozen into the forward position. I see what your saying though. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: FamilyManCCF
Date Posted: October-19-2016 at 3:58pm
| Cool Project and cool thread! I really like the videos. Boat looks pretty complete. The platform does look like it is off a MasterCraft. Like the others suggested, I would remove it. If you want to restore it to period correct I wouldn't put one back on but if you are going to use the boat as a ski tug, I would look for teak platform. Very excited to see updates! Good luck! |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 10:50am
Just hang a rope ladder off the back. It will look all tree houseish and no holes in the boat! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 11:43am
Zach, +1!!! I'm with you keeping it original!  Swim platform?   ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 11:49am
|
I think the swim platform should match the tower. Black anodized tower, go with black fiberglass platform. Chrome tower, go with teak platform. Also keep in mind teak is less likely to scuff up the tube. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 12:09pm
Bwahahaha  ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 12:17pm
| Which platform makes a better tree bumper, fiberglass or teak? |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 12:21pm
|
I heard fiberglass works pretty well.... ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 12:31pm
|
Pretty sure the fiberglass platform will minimize damage to the hull from said tree impact, but will pretty much be destroyed. With the teak, I believe you would suffer significant hull damage but might be left with a platform that could be repaired. Either way you are going to have hull damage so maybe the teak is the way to go! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 12:37pm
Reading between the lines, looks like we need to find a set of extended towing mirrors for a Cadillac to put in Hollywood's stocking this year. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 12:46pm
Actually it is related to another member (who happens to also be from the Northern IL area) allowing his trailer and Nautique to take an unattended "stroll" through the forest... ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 1:07pm
I was thinking that I would try to find either an orange tower or one that I could Piant orange. The platform will go based on what size orange underwater transom lights come in. Maybe I could just fiberglass over an old teak platform. I just need to make sure I save money in the budget for the subwoofers and surround sound. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 1:38pm
------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-20-2016 at 1:39pm
|
One word: Wet Lyfe |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-22-2016 at 6:57pm
|
Well I got some time with the boat again. Got some parts pulled off the engine. I found the source of the odd noise......It's a cliff hanger, but Zach was right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiPxuqDVaw" rel="nofollow - Vid 5 Water pumps, transmissions, and pylons Oh my........... 1. How do you get the pylon out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZRRrh9PbNA" rel="nofollow - Vid 6 A look into the doghouse gel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnOwDdYvAp4" rel="nofollow - Vid 7 Bonus.......losing the valve cover bolt down the exhaust tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3TWw4PuDus" rel="nofollow - Vid 8 ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Chevy350
Date Posted: October-22-2016 at 10:11pm
|
Might want to check the videos. Might be just me though. ------------- 1972 Mustang |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-22-2016 at 11:54pm
|
Fixed the last 2. YouTube has gotten very user unfriendly. I put hyperlinks at the bottom of the videos for those that can't see them. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-23-2016 at 9:24am
|
That carter afb is original and appropriate. I'd soak it a bit to see if it comes back. Otherwise note the model number and start searching for another. Modern edelbrocks still use the AFB castings, a 600cfm would likely drop right in place if the budget allows. Alt looks like a newer replacement. Pushrods, not lifters (those ride right on the cam. A little corrosion on these doesn't mean much. You'll need to spin the engine over twice to see all of the valves move once (it's a 4-stroke engine after all). The lifters are hydraulic and may have bled down from sitting. Priming the oil system would allow you to better assess. I still don't see any imminent signs of needing an engine rebuild. I've seen several engines from that era with the corrugated radiator hose on the front. Not sure if original but wouldn't surprise me. It probably handled tight bends better than the hardwall stuff from 40+ years ago. Trans likely has oil in it (as opposed to dirty ATF). Normal, and you can convert over to ATF when you're ready. Tap that bolt holding the pylon in the cup glassed to the hull (the hole in the pylon pin is not threaded). Doesn't look like the flange at the floor will hold you up, lol. Then the only thing holding the pylon in the boat is corrosion between the pin and cup. Soak with penetrating oil then use a large breaker through the ring/finger to twist free if necessary. I see several pieces of '73 hardware, ring/finger style and rear rope clearance bar are 2 obvious ones. |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-23-2016 at 1:26pm
|
Ha. I don't know much about these things, and Tim knocked out 5 or 6 things that I actually do know in one post. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: October-23-2016 at 1:51pm
I had the same reaction. I think there's sometimes a tendency to assume an engine is bad, needs rebuild, just because it hasn't run in a long time. Short of being left out in the rain for years or frozen solid an engine is a closed machine bathed in oil. Yes, the oil runs off with time, and a bit of rust comes along with condensation from hot/cold weather cycles, but I've seen some pretty rusty looking heaps get cleaned up and run smooth and well with no internal work done. The key is these steps you are taking to find out what is good and what isn't, prime it to get the internals well oiled before putting stress on them. Then a compression test will tell more of the story, but won't surprise me if you run this engine as is. I know many here rebuild their own carbs, I've chosen not to, have had great luck using a carb rebuilder. It's expensive, but much less than buying a new carb. Just a thought. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-23-2016 at 1:56pm
1. Ok I put the carb on a tray and blasted it with Kroil on Friday. I'll get back to it sometime next week at try to get it moving. 2.i knew I was going to get called out on the pushrod/lifter jumble. Lol. I realized that I said it in the video and forgot to make an amendment. I see what you're saying Tim, my concern is that I don't think I have the components to get it running right now. The sides of the heads where the manifolds bolt on are very rusty and pitted. So is the area around the valve cover. I'm pretty sure the heads need to go to a machine shop regardless. So are you saying just prime the oil and check compression or try to get it started? 3. The hose makes sense and I guess I'll hang onto it for now. 4. I did give the bolt several good sacks with the hammer with no luck. I soaked it in oil before I left on Friday so I'll get at it again this week and try the breaker bar method if I can get it out. 5. Yea I noticed the pylon and the clearance bar as well. Interesting. A 73 promo? ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: October-23-2016 at 2:51pm
I don't know what's wrong with you guys, tryin to save me money? Ha ha. OK I'll try to get the oil primed this week ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |