'97 SN Oil Pan Drain Plug Welded
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Topic: '97 SN Oil Pan Drain Plug Welded
Posted By: 86ER
Subject: '97 SN Oil Pan Drain Plug Welded
Date Posted: December-03-2016 at 2:29am
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I bought a remote oil drain kit for my '97 Ski Nautique with a GT-40 engine and the description of the kit lead me to believe that there were clearance issues with the '97 SN. When I got ready to install it, I realized that the drain plug (port side of pan) was welded up. Was this a common feature on '97 Ski Nautiques from the factory? There is no way that this could have been done with the engine installed in the boat, and I have no knowledge that the engine has ever been removed since it left the factory. |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-03-2016 at 3:24am
| I thought remote oil drain kits were standard on Pcm/cc since ~1980. |
Posted By: MechGaT
Date Posted: December-03-2016 at 8:52am
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Are you saying that the only way to get oil out of the engine is to suck it up the dipstick? That definitely doesn't sound factory. ------------- '92 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-03-2016 at 10:06am
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Pat, Reading Skidim's description for the kit I get the impression that the engine needs to be raised to swivel the fitting onto the pan and then the engine is lowered back down? There is no way that the engine could be raised and stay in that position without goofing up the alignment. If the drain plug has been welded on, then a PO did some back yard hack work on the engine!!! Can you get a good picture of the drain? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-03-2016 at 12:45pm
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MechGatT, yes, currently the only way to drain the oil is through the dipstick. 8122pbrainard, I understand that the engine is raised for the installation and then lowered back down. Skidim's kit has a large swivel, whereas Nautiqueparts has a much smaller swivel, which is why I went with their kit. It looked as though Nautiqueparts kit could be installed without raising the engine. I'll try to get a picture of the drain the next time I'm working on it. |
Posted By: harriss28
Date Posted: December-03-2016 at 1:39pm
| i used a banjo bolt on my 97 |
Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: December-03-2016 at 8:53pm
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I owned a 97 SN. It came from the factory with NO oil drain hose. I was told by CC that there wasn't enough room in the bilge for the 90 degree adaptor with the limited room under the oil pan. I had a marine mechanic (PCM certified) install a drain hose. This required lifting the engine and realignment check. I was then able to completely drain the oil using the hose. Not a fan of the suck up method as I feel that it doesn't allow the most contaminated oil from the pan. Gravity. |
Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-04-2016 at 7:04pm
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It turns out that the drain plug wasn't welded on. Someone must have been removing/installing it with vice grips, so it was so chewed up that it appeared as though it had been welded on. There wasn't enough of it left to get vice grips on it, so I tacked the head of a bolt to it to get it out. What a waste of a day! Even the drain kit from Nautiqueparts won't install without lifting the engine. Looks like I need another 1/2" of clearance at the drain plug to install it. That'll be the next project. Appreciate all the help guys. P.S. Great idea on the banjo bolt. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-04-2016 at 8:12pm
| Unbolt the transmission mounts and roll the whole thing forward. Should have clearance. |
Posted By: 86ER
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 8:34am
| That's the plan. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 8:45am
David, My opinion is the opposite I have experienced where sludge will not drain out due to it plugging up the hole blocking the flow. Gravity IS the problem whereas with the suck up, you have a negative pressure assist. I suck out so much sludge using the vac method that I need to periodically scrape it out of the bottom of the reservoir. This opinion is from the hundreds of oil changes I've done through all the years. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
DVskier wrote:Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 11:07am
Suck up from the dipstick first and then the drain hose (once installed), This opinion is from the Billions of oil changes I have done through the years, lol  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 1:35pm
I think you guys are misunderstanding him. I'll venture to guess when he says suck up method,he is referring to putting a hose down the dipstick and removing the oil. I myself connect the mity vac to the oil pan drain hose and vacuum out all the oil. Just how long are you guys leaving the oil in to have sludge problems anyway  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: relake
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 1:41pm
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For what it is worth, my '97 does not have a drain hose either.....I use the dipstick method, oil was changed every 25 hours by po and I will continue at 25 hour intervals.....my theory is oil is very cheap insurance. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8310" rel="nofollow - '97 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 2:01pm
| If it's so cheap you could do every 15 hours. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 2:21pm
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I put in 10 quarts instead of 5 so it lasts twice as long ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: relake
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 3:31pm
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Wisenheimers..,, ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=8310" rel="nofollow - '97 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 10:32pm
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Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: December-05-2016 at 10:41pm
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We can agree to disagree. I've always been of the opinion that sucking oil through the dip stick is a "backyard hack" as you are fond of saying. I can drain the oil through the drain hose painlessly by positioning my oil reservoir under the boat (resting on the pontoons of my HydroHoist boat lift). First I make sure that the engine is warm, then drain overnight. No worries, everyone has different ways of achieving the same thing. BTW, I started changing oil in 1961. Never had an issue. I do use the pump out method for transmission fluid. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-06-2016 at 12:28am
| I drained Johnny's 454 last week. Warmed it up to 155 in the yard. Weather was 30s-40s and I was pleasantly surprised with how much came out the drain hose overnight outside. |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: December-06-2016 at 5:19am
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If draining, warming it up is the key. Cold oil just won't flow. With my boat I let it drain for days when I can. Usually drain it after bringing it home from the lake while it is still hot. Hot oil flows really well. My 1987 Malibu with the Chevy 350 Engine was mounted so you could never pull the drain plug. Not welded but no room to remove it. Very poor design in my opinion. Good reason to come back to Nautique! I still own a pump if needed so that is good I guess but I like to drain my oil. If I want a flush I will pour a quart of ATF down the top with the drain open. It will wash out the pan quickly. Let it drain another day and you know the pan is clean. If a minor amount remains inside it wont break down 5 quarts of good new oil.. I would bet all comes out but a spoonful. It does remove a lot of dirty oil sludge from the pan. Microwave a quart of Oil till it is hot and pour it down if you are concerned about the tranny fluid method. Hot oil will flow and wash out the pan. ------------- |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: December-08-2016 at 8:47am
Learn something new everyday. I have heated up a cup of water in the microwave and put a hose end in it to get the hose over a fitting. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-08-2016 at 3:23pm
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& get wifey a new microwave soon after! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: December-09-2016 at 6:20am
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Don't tell the wife!!!! That would be suicide for sure. It does work though. ------------- |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: December-11-2016 at 2:14pm
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I have these on both my '85, '95 Nautique and my wife's Jeep. I prefer the one with the adjustable elbo. They work great just stick a hose on and open the valve, when done close the valve and remove hose. http://www.fumotousa.com/results.php?make=19&year=1995&model=13775&makeid=FORD&modelid=F-250+5.8L+V8" rel="nofollow - http://www.fumotousa.com/results.php?make=19&year=1995&model=13775&makeid=FORD&modelid=F-250+5.8L+V8 |
Posted By: malibud
Date Posted: March-07-2017 at 10:21am
| I have the skidim hose for a 97' brand new for $40 shipped if someone wants it. came with my 97' sport (cracked blocked replaced with a 2000) |