Motor Needed/Advice
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Topic: Motor Needed/Advice
Posted By: Lotusxl
Subject: Motor Needed/Advice
Date Posted: August-23-2017 at 4:17pm
Hello all,
I am brand new here, and driven to the forum via a search for a motor. I have a 1986 Fish Nautique, and it is in need of a new motor. I would love to hear from someone selling, or advice on where to get some new power. Looks like a great group here. Thanks in advance!!
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: August-23-2017 at 4:41pm
Fill us in- saltwater use? how much you doing yourself? what shape is the boat in? keeping it awhile? etc...
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95 Nautique Super Sport
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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-23-2017 at 4:51pm
Everything Gary said plus make and marinizer of current motor.
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1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort
1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM
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Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: August-23-2017 at 5:46pm
I bought a long block from S&J engines in Spokane last year. I only have 12 hours on it so far, but am happy with what they gave me. they "custom built" the block to my request for 89 octane or less, GT-40P heads and a roller cam setup, and a standard oil pump, vs the high flow/pressure one. I couldn't find that elsewhere. Summit Racing also has a nice short block from ATP I think, No customization available, but a good price. there are a couple of guys running this motor as well.
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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: August-23-2017 at 6:21pm
I'm running the ATP from summit. I'm happy with about 137 hours on it. I've used ATP twice now and Ive been happier with them than with Jasper but zero customization may be a buzz kill for some.
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1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort
1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: August-23-2017 at 7:44pm
Well my thoughts were that if the boat is in decent shape and planning to keep it awhile just drop in a new fresh water cooled Chevy bobtail and new trans. If it's been in salt all the Ford peripherals might not be worth fooling with especially if your paying someone to do the work. Not to mention Ford parts such as those will be hard to find.
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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS
95 Nautique Super Sport
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Posted By: Lotusxl
Date Posted: August-24-2017 at 2:05am
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Thanks for the responses. We run the boat only in salt water, always trailered. It has a Ford 351 Windsor pcm. Planning on keeping the boat for quite some time. I am not in a position to do a bunch of the work myself. The boat is in good shape overall, I have had it for 3 years and it fishes our local water very nicely. I would really like to get a solid serviceable power plant in that has economy and power for 30 mi one way trips.offshore. . .
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Posted By: DayTony
Date Posted: August-24-2017 at 4:05am
Your best bet if it is in repairable shape is to just rebuild what is there in my opinion. The windsor is a good fuel efficiant motor for that boat and you will be able to cruise confortably at around 25mph. With a wot well in the higher 30s with an acme prop. I was running a 13x9 acme if i remember correctly and it was a great combo. I could cruise it about 25mph while still running on the primary circuit and get great distance and economy. The biggest improvement on those boats is the trim tabs though. When there is a good sea on you will find you want to run it bow high or you will get a lot of spray over the bow. If yoy can get a frwsh water cooling system you are far better off. And if you are having the motor built make sure you let the engine machine shop know if you are raw water cooled or frwsh water cooled because the piston to wall clearances will be different when finish honing the cyls.
Post up some pictures, there arent a lot of fish nautiques on here we love seeing all the differnt fit outs people do with them. And welcome.
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1988 Barefoot nautique-454
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Posted By: DayTony
Date Posted: August-24-2017 at 4:12am
Also would like to add that if its not repairable and its in the budget i would go std rotationg roller chevy power for many reasons. Can go 350 or 454, i wouldnt be afraid of going big block. a properly tuned big block would be close to if not just as fuel efficiant than the 351 dependong on how it is propped. Parts are a little harder to come by for the rev rotation mills nowadays.
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1988 Barefoot nautique-454
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Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: August-24-2017 at 11:30am
Good morning, I am Restoring a 86 Fish right now for a customer.
Reality best bang for your buck is to go ahead and repower with a new fresh water cooled 5.7 carb package. long term solution to the old Ford platform that for your type of application can and will become hard to support as parts become unavailable or worse utilizing cheezy knock off cheap parts. Playing around out on the big salty pond is not the place to be one of those keep it original ideologists.
Might have to dig kinda deep in the wallet up front but the long term it will pay for it's self.
Also be reminded that the last Fish nautique came out of the mold in the late 80's, 40 year ago. These boats were rather crudely built by even 20 year ago standards. Check your hull around the strakes for cracking and under the engine frame and make sure the hull is worth the effort as it is hard to spend a lot of money only to find out the hull needs far more then it is worth to repair.
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0
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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: August-25-2017 at 4:23pm
The recommendation to modernize with a gm 5.7 marine engine is good advice. Recently installed new power and drive in an 86/87 Fish. Went with the 351w/GT-40 heads/PCM 80 1:23:1/ARE shaft combination. No regrets, but found the PCM marine parts to be difficult to find, especially in good condition. The thermostat housing and marine intakes are the real problem areas. As mentioned earlier, these items are wear items and essentially disposable. I bought a spare of each, but this is my last 351 build. I'm finding I like the Marine Power GM platforms for the best value relative to quality.
Steve
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Posted By: bwinn
Date Posted: August-25-2017 at 5:06pm
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I see OP is in CA but here's a gm 350 for sale near me cheap with closed cooling. https://hartford.craigslist.org/boa/d/closed-cooling-system-motor/6278768688.html" rel="nofollow - 5.7l gm closed cooling
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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: August-25-2017 at 5:33pm
The GM engine is a good start. The Fish needs some other mod's too in order to be enjoyably functional off shore. The factory style top was cheap and cheesy looking, Find a good Tee top and get it off the console and mounted to the deck. The Morse throttle/shifter was mounted on the left hand side of the helm, fine if you are a southpaw. I've moved mine to the right hand side. Upgrade the steering and get away from the cable system and move to a hydraulic system.... long day out and you will be a happy camper with that decision! It also allows you to easily add an auto pilot if you choose.
Happy Friday!
Steve
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Posted By: Lotusxl
Date Posted: August-28-2017 at 9:10pm
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You guys are awesome! Thank you very much for the replies and thoughtful feedback. I will look down the road of the GM solution and see how it looks! Thanks again!
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