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Topic: Stringers
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Subject: Stringers
Date Posted: November-05-2018 at 9:47am
What is the purpose of wrapping the stringers with fiberglass? It seams it keeps the water in and adds to rot. Can the stringers be epoxied down and left exposed to the air to dry out?



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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-05-2018 at 6:06pm
I think the fiberglass adds quite a bit of structure to the wood, kinda like putting it in a pipe.

If you just glued the wood down, once it started to decay, it could separate along the bottom just above the glue.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-05-2018 at 6:40pm
That's my point just like in wood boats I wonder if the wood will last longer if it allowed to dry out being exposed to the air.


Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: November-05-2018 at 6:42pm
You get have the fibers to bond it with rest of the hull and give it more surface area and strength.

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-05-2018 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

That's my point just like in wood boats I wonder if the wood will last longer if it allowed to dry out being exposed to the air.

Wood boats do rot especially where water isn't allowed to dry typically low in the bilge and aft at the transom. If you bond the bottom of a stringer, the wood that isn't saturated next to the resin will stay wet.

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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-05-2018 at 11:07pm
Just not having foam would be all that's needed. I had a 64 AM Skier in the late 80's with it's original floor and stringers and no foam, no rot.

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-06-2018 at 7:39am
Michael,
Are you planning a stringer job?

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-08-2018 at 9:38am
I am having trouble finding Douglass Fur in my area . Somebody mentioned Southern Yellow Pine as a good alternative ? What do you guy's think?


Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: November-08-2018 at 11:54am
What type of mammal has "Douglas Fur"?


Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-08-2018 at 3:53pm
Mike when Greg did the Pumpkin Patch he got the lumber at http://www.sweetwaterlumber.com/" rel="nofollow - Sweetwater lumber

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-08-2018 at 5:49pm
That is 1.5 hours one way I hope there is something closer.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-08-2018 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

That is 1.5 hours one way I hope there is something closer.

Or you could go with the http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9503&KW=lvl+stringer&PN=1&title=85-2001-lvl-stringer-project" rel="nofollow - LVL like Kris did.

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Posted By: samudj01
Date Posted: November-08-2018 at 6:42pm
Would think a local lumber yard could get it for you. We drove an hour for it.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-10-2018 at 9:40am
I checked with Sweetwater Lumber they do have Douglass Fur . They Quoted me 152.00 for a 2x10x14 and 75.00 for a 1x6x10. 450.00 for the stringer material is too much even the Southern Yellow Pine was very expensive. I will check into a LVL next.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-10-2018 at 9:45am
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I will check into a LVL next.

Give the Pro Desk a call at your closest HD. Cumming???

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 8:56am
Well here it begins . I acquired a 68 Mustang . There is more wrong than right. As fate would have it a 86 Supra comp became available needs a lot but good engine and trans plus other parts at a cheap price. The Supra is in better condition but I already have a 92 comp. The idea is to marry the two together and end up with a running reliable boat that will be easy to pull to CC gatherings.




Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 9:16am
Michael,
Careful with that fiberglass floor pan. Great find!

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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 9:27am
One of those little voices in my head is saying that you'll be getting some comments from some people about putting a lefty engine in the little boat


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 9:39am
I am sure I will make some unhappy with this build . I am in uncharted waters here . This conversion is dictated by available materials and cost. I am not trying to restore a classic more of a resto mod. I am open to any and all thoughts and ideas concerning this conversion . You guys know more about these boats than I will ever know.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 9:52am
Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

One of those little voices in my head is saying that you'll be getting some comments from some people about putting a lefty engine in the little boat

My thought is Michael better consider adding plenty of floatation foam after the stringer job.

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Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 10:04am
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Michael,
Careful with that fiberglass floor pan. Great find!


I will take that floor pan off your hands.....

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Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 10:22am
Congrats, Mike! That's going to make a great Reunion Rig. You and Gayle will do an excellent job blending original with the "updated" comforts of a daily driver.

When do the tower and ballast system arrive?


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 10:29am
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I am sure I will make some unhappy with this build .


And you'll probably make more people happy doing it your way


Posted By: Duane in Indy
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 11:18am
Go for it!!!   You are a long ways from choosing rotation issues. Rebuild the hull and then make final decisions for drive train direction. Build it to please yourself. Bring it to some meets if you so desire. Don;t worry about the ones with negative comments as they won't show up anyway. Their boats are stuck to the trailers and wont be able to launch anyway

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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 11:37am
Please post a pic of the transom Mike, like to see which hull you have. Someone at one time did a lot of work in removing the foam.

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Posted By: Duane in Indy
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 11:51am
See the motor box, did you get any interior with it??
Looks like a fun project. Lots of work and $$ ahead.

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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-19-2018 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

See the motor box, did you get any interior with it??
Looks like a fun project. Lots of work and $$ ahead.


Interior, Mike don't need no stinkin interior - he married well and his better half can spit out Vinyl for that little boat in no time flat.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-20-2018 at 8:40am
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

One of those little voices in my head is saying that you'll be getting some comments from some people about putting a lefty engine in the little boat

My thought is Michael better consider adding plenty of floatation foam after the stringer job.


I did a Supra Comp a few years ago . When it came to foam I decided to cut closed cell 2'' thick foam and loosely fit it under the floor between the stringers and bulkheads. That way it didn't block off the scupper holes I added to the stringers so the water could drain to the bilge.    


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-20-2018 at 8:46am
Floor two front seats and upper rear seat and seat pan came with it. Fiberglass engine cover too , Someone said I wont be able to use the original engine cover with the 351 I am planning to install . So it might end up with a Supra engine cover???


Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-20-2018 at 9:16am
Great looking project. Nice year and style to restore!


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-20-2018 at 9:18am
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I did a Supra Comp a few years ago . When it came to foam I decided to cut closed cell 2'' thick foam and loosely fit it under the floor between the stringers and bulkheads. That way it didn't block off the scupper holes I added to the stringers so the water could drain to the bilge.    

Sounds like a plan. Better than the pool noodles some have used! Have you considered just going without foam? Any luck finding LVL for the stringers? Did you check with the Cumming HD?

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-20-2018 at 9:10pm
HD was no help in Flowery Branch I will check in Cumming. I will do the loose foam I don't want to build an anchor.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-20-2018 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

HD was no help in Flowery Branch I will check in Cumming. I will do the loose foam I don't want to build an anchor.

What do you mean they weren't any help? What specifically did you ask for? Did you talk to the pro at the pro desk like I suggested?

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-20-2018 at 11:29pm
Mike,
When you call again, do make sure you talk to a Pro at the pro desk but also it may help using the proper nomenclature for LVL's. Tell them you want ether a 1.55E or a 1.9E x 9&1/4". and then the 14' length.

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Posted By: juniorwoody
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 7:36am
I like that Pete is supportive of his place of employment but check Lowes. Much better store and since HD took the veterans discount away from many of us and Lowes gives it unequivocally to all I really respect that. If your a vet it will save you money. Seems HD wants the military person to be either maimed or on active duty so as a Vietnam vet with an honorable discharge, I don't qualify after I once did. To give and then take back is rather insulting. Sorry Pete but the truth. Lowes is very thankful to vets and offers discount to all who serve or have served.

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 7:42am
Originally posted by juniorwoody juniorwoody wrote:

I like that Pete is supportive of his place of employment but check Lowes. Much better store and since HD took the veterans discount away from many of us and Lowes gives it unequivocally to all I really respect that. If your a vet it will save you money. Seems HD wants the military person to be either maimed or on active duty so as a Vietnam vet with an honorable discharge, I don't qualify after I once did. To give and then take back is rather insulting. Sorry Pete but the truth. Lowes is very thankful to vets and offers discount to all who serve or have served.

Jack,
Sorry to hear you have a problem with the HD BUT, you are very wrong with the vet discount at the HD. You may what to investigate why you personally had the issue. What ID did you use?


BTW, I too prefer shopping at Lowes but the closest one to me is 90 miles.

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Posted By: juniorwoody
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 7:48am
Pete, I am not wrong about the vet discount. You should check for yourself. Use the same ID with Lowes as well. It is my VA card with photo ID. HD discriminates. against those who are not maimed or active duty. Believe me I have been around the issue with them to no avail. Only ended up frustrated and pissed off LOL. I do take every opportunity to inform other vets that there are other options less offensive. Just spreading the love around as is my way.

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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 8:21am
Pete, read the link below

There's one pretty big difference in the 2 discounts

Let's say you served 4 years in the Navy with an honorable discharge as an example. Which place gives you a discount?

https://themilitarywallet.com/home-depot-lowes-10-military-discount/" rel="nofollow - link

Thanks Jack for pointing this out


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 8:27am
I think its the Flowery Branch location . They have never been very helpful . They are more concerned with closing aisles and stocking the shelves than customer service. They once told me to leave a closed aisle and wait for them to stock the shelve . I went to lowes.


Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 12:49pm
I have been denied the veterans discount before at Home Depot, then again a few months later it was allowed. All of this happened at the same store. I've never had an issue getting the veterans discount at Lowes, even on sale items. Here in SC you can have your drivers license display your veterans status, HD didn't accept that when it first came out so I had to show my DD-214 form. All in all I'd recommend Lowes if you want the veterans discount. Blowers is also easier to navigate with better lighting.


Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 12:57pm
how should this affect non-veterans?


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 2:20pm
Just a guess here but if we both went to Lowe's and bought the same thing for 500 bucks, we'd have the same thing except I'd have an extra 50 bucks in my pocket still that you the non vet wouldn't.

I'm kinda simple minded though and I can barely spell 'rithmetic



Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 2:55pm
please repeat experiment with Home Depot. I'm still lost.


Posted By: Nautique Newby
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 4:06pm
I also used LVL for my main stringers because I could not find Doug Fir around my area. I got my LVL at a local lumberyard. I think I got a 2" x 16" piece and cut it in half. That along with the clear pine for the secondaries was around $100.

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by juniorwoody juniorwoody wrote:

I like that Pete is supportive of his place of employment but check Lowes. Much better store and since HD took the veterans discount away from many of us and Lowes gives it unequivocally to all I really respect that. If your a vet it will save you money. Seems HD wants the military person to be either maimed or on active duty so as a Vietnam vet with an honorable discharge, I don't qualify after I once did. To give and then take back is rather insulting. Sorry Pete but the truth. Lowes is very thankful to vets and offers discount to all who serve or have served.

Jack,
Sorry to hear you have a problem with the HD BUT, you are very wrong with the vet discount at the HD. You may what to investigate why you personally had the issue. What ID did you use?

Jack,
I just got home from the morning shift. I got in this morning and after the morning readiness check for my department, I went and saw my store manager and then also talked with the head cashier. Being very concerned with your problem, I wanted to check the policy just as you recommended. The bottom line is all stores and all areas do not follow the corporate policy completely. My store doesn't follow the policy fully. It seems that the HD's asset management IT has detected fraudulent military ID's in certain areas of the country and those areas scrutinize the proper ID's. You mentioned you were honorably discharged so it sounds like you didn't serve full term. Per my store manager (also a vet) she questioned what your ID is. Is it the DD214? That's the one that can cause problems at some stores in certain areas. Was your discharge based on medical? The VA should issue you a different ID.

Sorry this happened,
Pete

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Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 5:20pm
Pete, the DD-214 is the official document that you receive when being discharged and it serves as proof of service. The honorable discharge is noted (or not) on the form. It's also possible to receive a General or Bad Conduct discharge. Depending on the service man (or woman's ) conduct they will receive one of these types of discharge. BTW to DD-214 doesn't have a photo on it.

My state and many others will issue a Veterans drivers license upon being presented with the DD-214.

Hope this helps.


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

please repeat experiment with Home Depot. I'm still lost.


Just for you

Go back to my other post about somebody who spent 4 years in the Navy and got an honorable discharge. We go into Home Depot and each get the same 500 dollar item. We both walk out having paid the same 500 as compared to Lowe's where I only paid 450.

Lowes gives the discount to any veteran who was honorably discharged, you don't need to have been a career military guy who retired after 20 or so years. The guy who served 4 years gets no discount at Home Depot unless he meets some other conditions like a medical discharge as one example

It's in the link I posted earlier,
   
In 2017 Lowes started giving the discount to any honorably discharged veteran.


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 6:59pm
Here''s another link with some info about Lowes program

https://www.militarytimes.com/2017/05/04/lowe-s-expands-changes-its-military-discount-program/" rel="nofollow - link


Posted By: Duane in Indy
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

You mentioned you were honorably discharged so it sounds like you didn't serve full term.


HUH??

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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 7:07pm
so there are no financial implications for non-veterans at either store


Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 7:21pm
Hey Hollywood, Great Lakes US Navy base is right down the road from you. MAGA and serve your country. Bonus Lowes has no limit of $500 like HD.


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-21-2018 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

so there are no financial implications for non-veterans at either store


Depends how you want to look at it


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 8:35am
I have a commercial pro HD credit card they used to give a 5% discount for contractors. They ended the program years ago so I don't use their card anymore . I am a very small business but still manage to spend 30 to 50 thousand a year in materials .[ That is 1500 to 2500 discount Hollywood.] I still deal with HD only because they are convenient to get to in areas I work. I wish they would lay out all their stores the same. Its really frustrating to find things in different stores .


Posted By: juniorwoody
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 9:26am
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by juniorwoody juniorwoody wrote:

I like that Pete is supportive of his place of employment but check Lowes. Much better store and since HD took the veterans discount away from many of us and Lowes gives it unequivocally to all I really respect that. If your a vet it will save you money. Seems HD wants the military person to be either maimed or on active duty so as a Vietnam vet with an honorable discharge, I don't qualify after I once did. To give and then take back is rather insulting. Sorry Pete but the truth. Lowes is very thankful to vets and offers discount to all who serve or have served.

Jack,
Sorry to hear you have a problem with the HD BUT, you are very wrong with the vet discount at the HD. You may what to investigate why you personally had the issue. What ID did you use?

Jack,
I just got home from the morning shift. I got in this morning and after the morning readiness check for my department, I went and saw my store manager and then also talked with the head cashier. Being very concerned with your problem, I wanted to check the policy just as you recommended. The bottom line is all stores and all areas do not follow the corporate policy completely. My store doesn't follow the policy fully. It seems that the HD's asset management IT has detected fraudulent military ID's in certain areas of the country and those areas scrutinize the proper ID's. You mentioned you were honorably discharged so it sounds like you didn't serve full term. Per my store manager (also a vet) she questioned what your ID is. Is it the DD214? That's the one that can cause problems at some stores in certain areas. Was your discharge based on medical? The VA should issue you a different ID.

Sorry this happened,
Pete


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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 9:37am
Funny that you brought up the layout Mike. I stopped by one of my "local" HD's (it's 50 miles away) for a toilet shut off valve. Wandered the plumbing section finally had to find someone and ask. They were not in plumbing, but rather over where the toilet display was. Was informed that there is actually 3 places in the store where they could be. Could not find the actual one I needed,didn't feel like trying to find the help again so I left. Did buy a case of Mexican Coke though so it was not a wasted stop . Not being a vet I like Menards best then HD and Lowes in that order. HD for checkouts has them all beat though with Lowes being the worse.

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Posted By: juniorwoody
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 9:40am
Sorry for the unintended thread jack. Thanks Pete for your honest concern. HD deserves the bad review I give them when I can. Will try and answer your questions.
First off, honorable discharge means you served your duty to completion honorably. After 14 months in Vietnam and with my training time included I was released from active duty with the honorable discharge.
All those released from the military get a dd214. I have that but I presented my veterans administration card that shows I am enrolled in the program that supposed to help us vets with medical issues. That's another story LOL.
Glad you brought up how your store and others don't necessarily follow corporate policy. After the CT HD discontinued my discount and was was still getting it in FL I used to take my slips from Ct and get the discount reimbursed in Fl. That's a gas.
My VA card is current and with photo ID so no replacement needed and so you can see how the HD has tarnished their image over what prolly was a well intentioned policy to begin with. It has become downright offensive.
Really sorry for the jack here LOl.

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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 10:45am
Just being a handful of years younger than you Jack I understand where your coming from. Kinda like to think ole El BJ is in a special place......

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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 11:02am
I look up the aisle/shelf location/inventory status before going to HD. Saves a lot of time.

BTW, I was there once (hadn't done the presearch) & I asked the customer rep to look up an item location & they couldn't figure out how to do this!

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 11:27am
Jack,
Thanks for the reply and explanation.

For those of you that have those fancy phones, and use all those fancy features, there is http://www6.homedepot.com/Mobile/AppDownload/index2.htm" rel="nofollow - a Home Depot app that may help you find items. I see customers using it frequently. BTW, my cell phone only makes phone calls!!


Chris,
Even though I know my store very well, I too will go to the HD web site and look up the item I'm looking for. Not so much to get a location but more so to check inventory and to see if my store even caries it. All HD's do not carry the same inventory and some may be seasonal. Like the Rhinelander store doesn't carry window air conditioners all year like Gary's down there were it's 600 degrees all year long!

I also use the buy on line and pick up in store very often especially if the item is large or not in stock. When it's available and or picked it's waiting for you up front. Small it will be at the Special Service end of if large it will be at the Pro end.

Mike, getting back on track with the thread, if you do go LVL, understand the actual thickness is 1&3/4" unlike a 2x which is 1&1/2" Also be aware that LVL's come with a water resistant coating so they can be exposed to the weather typical with construction. There are two types of coatings used. One is a wax and that needs to be aggressively belt sanded off. . The other is a clear coating similar to a poly clear wood finish. That needs just a light sanding. If you have access to a surface planer, then taking a 1/8" off each side is best plus it brings the thickness back down to the 1&1/2 like a 2x.

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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 12:22pm
Pete, is there a down side to leaving it 1-3/4?

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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-22-2018 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

Pete, is there a down side to leaving it 1-3/4?

No, there isn't as long as the extra thickness is to towards the hull sides leaving the same distance between the mains for the engine.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: November-23-2018 at 9:15am
Thanks Pete you have been very helpful.


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-23-2018 at 10:15am
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I think its the Flowery Branch location . They have never been very helpful . They are more concerned with closing aisles and stocking the shelves than customer service. They once told me to leave a closed aisle and wait for them to stock the shelve . I went to lowes.

Mike,
Again sorry to hear about your experiences you mentioned.

The SOP for blocking isles during store open hours is only to retrieve or down stock items that a customer is waiting for. There are times when say a contractor calls in an order say for drywall or lumber and he's on his way to pick it up that we will close down isles. Safety is a major concern at the HD and strictly enforced especially after Menards killed a customer. He was in a isle behind where a fork lift was operating and the fork lift pushed a pallet of tile down the opposite isle. It's the reason we have to block the two isles. The one where stocking is done with lift equipment and the isle behind.

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Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: November-25-2018 at 2:02pm
read the whole thread hoping for some great stringer pictures.............


Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-25-2018 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by emccallum emccallum wrote:

read the whole thread hoping for some great stringer pictures.............


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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-25-2018 at 3:39pm
Originally posted by emccallum emccallum wrote:

read the whole thread hoping for some great stringer pictures.............


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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 10:33am
Well I finally tracked down a lumber yard that can order Doug fur they stock southern yellow pine . They couldn't give prices on the DF until Monday but they warned it wont be cheap. I am going to go there Monday and look at the pine . They said it is grade A so if it doesn't have any large knots I may go with it. Realistically if the boat only lasts 20 years and not 50 I think that will be fine. I am working on getting pics from my phone to the forum I intend to fully document the build for all to see and advise on procedure.


Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 10:43am
Sounds like you've been a busy boy Mikey.... When time allows Heather and I will have to make a trip up there and see whatcha got. I know a guy so I might even be able to bring a stringer rebuild care package with me.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 12:08pm
Not much to look at now just cleaned and dry. I have to set the 351 in it and see if any mods have to be done to the existing stringer set up to accept the 351 . Should be fine small block ford to small block ford. From there it will move into the basement where its climate controlled . That work thing keeps getting in the way I worked my A$$ off in November so I am hoping to take some serious time off now till next year.


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 12:10pm
I heard the Atlanta boat show is going to be much smaller and in building A because of the Superbowl . Sounds like a good year to take off.


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 9:15pm
Made some headway today . Set new 351 in the boat to check alignment so I can see if the original stringer design will work with the new engine and mounts without modification. . The good news is the distance between the stringers is the same on both boats and as far as I can see it should line up with the prop shaft. Only question is there a set distance between the strut and the prop I used the rub marks on the shaft to get me close. I don't have a pattern to copy since the engines are different and there are multiple holes in the stringers from the old engine. Not important now but will be needed after new stringers are installed and engine is installed. More good news I think I solved the picture posting problem.







Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

is there a set distance between the strut and the prop I used the rub marks on the shaft to get me close.

Mike,
The "rule of thumb" has been one shaft diameter but some like less. The less distance means less overhung load and that means less load on the shaft One thing to watch out for is prop clearance to the hull. As the prop is moved forward, the clearance is reduced.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 9:38pm
Got It I will check tomorrow.


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 9:49pm
Another question The original engine came with exhaust manifolds with a 2.5'' exhaust opening . The 351 has 3'' . I don't know if I should go with the original and chance restricted exhaust or go with the 3'' and boar out the hull openings.





Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-09-2018 at 9:53pm
Mike,
Since you're dropping the 351 in the hull, I'd go with the 3". Enlarging the holes in the transom and finding new 3" tips should be pretty easy.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 6:10pm
Well my Doug fur source fell through they said even if they could get it it would be very costly. So I went with Southern Yellow Pine . I picked the boards with hardly any knots and straight grain. Probably wont last forever but neither will I.



Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 6:25pm
I decided to put the floor, rear seat and engine cover back on while I had the engine somewhat set in place. Everything went well until I put the engine cover back on . It hits the vent on the valve cover and both exhaust manifold risers. So do I stick with the 86 manifolds with 3'' exhaust ? That will require big modifications to both the hull and engine cover. Or put the 68 exhaust manifolds on with 2.5'' exhaust no modifications needed to engine cover or hull. has anybody ran a 351 with 289 manifolds?









Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 6:29pm
I am missing the section of floor behind the engine cover . Does anyone have any pics of what is supposed to be there and maybe some measurements.



Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 7:06pm
Mike,
The SYP should be fine. Just make sure you do a good CPES job on it and maybe an extra layer of glass on the sides. That will compensate for the strength of the SYP VS: the DF.

Do you have a moisture meter? I suggest seeing what the moisture content of the SYP is.

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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 8:34pm
Measurements? You don't need no stinking measurements. Just make it fit the hole you now have If you really need them I can get them,here are the pictures-





This is an underside picture of that panel with the old plywood removed. It is used to provide support since that panel is removable and has no foam under it. I replaced it with two 1/4" 5ply underlayment    CPES'd and bonded to the bottom of the panel. If you look close you can see the lip around the front edge and part way down the side. This makes it looked more finished when its installed. The part of the panel that does not have the lip is under the seat so it's not seen.



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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 10:06pm
Thanks Gary I just needed to know how long it is. So the foam is supposed to hold up fiberglass floor. I think I will add some cross bracing . The stringer material is inside the heated basement shop it will be quite some time until they are ready to be coated with CPES.


Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-12-2018 at 12:52am
What they originally did Mike was to foam the boat then they laid a layer of glass over the top of everything which sealed it all up. Then that fiberglass pan goes in on top of all that. Here is a picture of my floor you can see where I took out all the foam when I got it in '89. I cut out that top layer of fiberglass but did not cut it flush to the stringers and cross members. There is only one place up in the seating area where there is anywhere close to a foot of unsupported floor. So to protect the fiberglass pan from damage I used that 5 ply underlayment soaked in cpes then epoxy and cloth covered. Supports the floor very well. In the area where the seat tracks screw down, I cut extra pieces of the 5 ply and buttered them underneath to really give the screws something to really hold to.





One area that causes trouble though is where this arrow is pointing. When Correct Craft laid the glass over the foam they gelled it in this area so it blended in with the floor pan. You pull out the foam like I did or replace the stringers like you, this spot will be open. The support floor I put in you can see where I colored the spot that is exposed in that picture above. You will have to figure out how you'll work around this.



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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-12-2018 at 9:30am
Thanks Gary and I thought The Supra Stringer job was a PITA. I will work something out . Its good to know what they had in mine . The previous owner did all the demolition so I never saw it before. There is no way this boat will ever be as clean as yours.


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: December-14-2018 at 11:01am
The real start is near. I pulled the engine and floor back out. Now that I know how things will fit. I think I will go with the original exhaust manifolds with the 2.5 exhaust I hope it wont restrict the flow too much . But a whole lot of modification wont be necessary and I can use the original engine cover. I pulled the boat out of the barn and into the basement or should I call it dry dock. This is where it will stay until its ready for the engine to be installed again.







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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: January-01-2019 at 7:34pm
I promised myself I would not start the 68 until the 08 was cleaned,polished and waxed . After a pinched nerved set me back for a week I felt good enough to work again. 08 is done and put away in the barn To start the new year off right I started the 68. First I spent a couple hours measuring motor mount holes, bulk heads , rudder mount and anything else I found . I marked the specks on a piece of plywood so it doesn't get lost.I then started removing the starboard secondary stringer. It came out surprising easy and intact.Next the primary. She gave me a fight but I also got it out in one piece. Now I have patterns for the new stringers. When I did the 84 Supra there was not much left of the old stringers so everything had to be scribed and planed to fit.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: January-06-2019 at 1:55pm
More progress all four stringers are out most of the work is done on the new stringers. Not much to work with on the starboard side good thing the port side is a mirrored image of the starboard side. I put two scupper holes in the mains and cut a 45 at the back for water drainage. Waiting for CPES and epoxy to coat and bed them in. I will work on bulkheads next I am thinking about every 16'' with scuppers at the bottom to let water through. Atlanta Boat show Thursday.













Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: January-07-2019 at 10:24am
Mike - progress looks great!

I have one of these floor panels if you need it. There's a chance I could get it on one of our trucks and arrange a drop off on his way through Atlanta. He won't be able to stop long but if someone could meet him close to the interstate we could make it happen.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: January-07-2019 at 6:28pm
Thats the part I am missing. I was going to put in a wood floor and carpet because I never thought I could get that part. Let me know what I need to do to meet. Mike Hunter 678-227-8833


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: January-12-2019 at 8:45pm
I got all 4 stringers cut and 2 coats of CPES . I noticed the rudder just didn't look right so I took it apart instead of a wood backer board glassed to the hull somebody used plastic attached only with rusty steel carriage bolts . I used MDO plywood coated with CPES and glassed over the top then epoxied to the hull. As long as it was out I went ahead and polished all the brass parts. I got 1 main stringer bedded in with epoxy. I think I can get the rest in tomorrow.








Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-12-2019 at 9:26pm
Great choice using the MDO for the backing.

Now after polishing the brass, anything you eat or drink will taste like brass for awhile!

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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-13-2019 at 10:35am
Bilge gel hasn’t been removed where you will be glassing stringers down?


Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: January-13-2019 at 11:10am
Gave Mike a Composite Care Package last Thursday when he came to the hanger to drop off the OEM Pylon I said I would fix for him and to pick up the floorboard and patterns that GaryS dropped off for him on his way through that included some used 80 grit sandpaper. Hopefully Mike will put it to good use and sand off the bilge coat. I did get the pylon blasted and painted with white epoxy for the project. Not exactly chrome original but told Mike that it would be sacrilegious to but that supra pylon in a 60's Mustang and I wasn't gonna let him do it.

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Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: January-13-2019 at 1:06pm
Great looking work Mike. Know what you have been doing lately.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: January-15-2019 at 9:11pm
I almost made an error with the bilge gel . I was considering just cleaning it up and coating it with CPES before I cap off the stringers with glass. You cant get away with anything here. Its a tremendous help to have so many eyes and years of knowledge to help guide through this project . I don't know how it will turn out but its already 10 times better than I planed .

Main stringers are bedded in with epoxy , bilge gel sanded off and resin mixed with cabosil to form fillets done.





Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: January-27-2019 at 10:09am
Its been a couple weeks and some progress has been made . I started capping off the stringers first with first fiberglass mat then cloth over top. There is no doubt its far stronger that when it was new. I will start bulk heads today. I plan to epoxy them to the face of the stringers rather than cut into the top of the stringer like it was gone originally





Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-27-2019 at 10:25am
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

. I will start bulk heads today. I plan to epoxy them to the face of the stringers rather than cut into the top of the stringer like it was gone originally


Mike,
Bulkheads? Are you talking about the horizontal 1x4 floor supports that were originally notched into the stringers? If so, you may want to consider adding some blocking under them adding surface area for a good bond.

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Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: February-02-2019 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

. I will start bulk heads today. I plan to epoxy them to the face of the stringers rather than cut into the top of the stringer like it was gone originally


Mike,
Bulkheads? Are you talking about the horizontal 1x4 floor supports that were originally notched into the stringers? If so, you may want to consider adding some blocking under them adding surface area for a good bond.


Yes I don't want to cut notches in the stringers so I will add blocks to the supports and glass them in to both stringers and hull.


Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: February-02-2019 at 4:01pm
When measuring the steering cable should that measurement be the outer casing or the inner cable?


Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-02-2019 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

When measuring the steering cable should that measurement be the outer casing or the inner cable?

Mike,
From ebasicpower.com:
"To calculate your Steering Cable Length, measure the plastic jacket only, add 10" and round up to the next foot. (better longer than shorter)"

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