New owner here - 1984 Ski Nautique 454
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Topic: New owner here - 1984 Ski Nautique 454
Posted By: Crmaverick
Subject: New owner here - 1984 Ski Nautique 454
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 4:43pm
| Hey everyone just picked up my first correct craft, 84 ski Nautique 2001. The rear has the lettering super beast and appears original, doesn’t say competition ski craft like others. It has an original 454 with what appears to be the H.O. The first three letters of the model on the block is PLN. Is this some kind of rare super beast model? |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:04pm
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Whereabouts in MA? Gottaski? |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:08pm
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I'm just outside of Worcester, have a knee board haven't gotten into skiing just yet though I have some work to do on the boat before its water ready. Fixing the neutral safety thats rusted and locked (stuck in gear now), replacing the water pump impeller to be safe, and doing an oil change plus all filters. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:31pm
| Where did the boat come from? |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:32pm
| Actually western Connecticut |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:44pm
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Oh yes! Super Beast. Ivory and three stripe rust/brown. Tall pylon. No mufflers last we knew. Hopefully its not too badly molested. I spent lots of mornings in and behind super beast thanks to a great set of men gracious enough to teach me barefoot for years, and long after they moved onto other boats. good times. Unless its been replaced, that's not your father's 454. Not as stout at Tim's BNF but it was a 55+/- mph machine i recall, Its probably been passed around like a pool toy since being meticulously maintained for a good spell. Who knows how many owners by now but hopefully its under good new stewardship That engine should still be the LH Rotation rectangle port 425+HP. Don't shoot your eye out! The boat should be respected and can spank you if your try going 40+ in mixed up water and wakes, or many aboard. That boat's original build was not for the general public to purchase but for select people in the club of responsible enthusiasts And recall it didn't like champion plugs, best give it AC. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:45pm
huh... ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Crmaverick wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:49pm
Pictures sure are required!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:51pm
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I think i recall It had 1 prior owner before it was run in Webster, and already said super beast i think as they found it. Super Beast was less of a sleeper than its sisters that kept a lower profile both sight and sound. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 5:54pm
That's an awesome history thanks for the info. I actually bought this off the second owner who told me the boat came from CT, I'm not sure on the exact area but I'm guessing West/Central CT. The motor is original apparently, his family bought it in the 80's from the original owner, the motor was just maintained from then and has 850 hours. Did you know the original owner? |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 6:05pm
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Yes, i know a prior owner that had it in the later 80's , maybe very early nineties But i'd have to say your the fourth owner, at minimum! ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 6:25pm
No kidding, is the super beast lettering factory? Here’s some photos, you sure this is the same boat or was their only one super beast? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UeRiHyBL4FySdSiiUzfosxtjbUOFJFhq/view?usp=drivesdk" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UeRiHyBL4FySdSiiUzfosxtjbUOFJFhq/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I5qUjEhDxEFuQKYuYARVRmqQKaF1K5e-/view?usp=drivesdk" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I5qUjEhDxEFuQKYuYARVRmqQKaF1K5e-/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T8KPvnDhvVwdJUm6Gd1PtbOXcCSJIKV7/view?usp=drivesdk" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T8KPvnDhvVwdJUm6Gd1PtbOXcCSJIKV7/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dPAUx5KNJ564YpljmG1NL1RqAVIGZ_XZ/view?usp=drivesdk" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dPAUx5KNJ564YpljmG1NL1RqAVIGZ_XZ/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nXjDwQe_24RcVxJGoGHqW0Edf623sXBB/view?usp=drivesdk" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nXjDwQe_24RcVxJGoGHqW0Edf623sXBB/view?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 8:35pm
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Well different boat it seems!! Forget what I said about specifics The s/b I was in was an 83 with typical tri color stripes You have a gem there There must be a story about multiple super beasts The one I was in was matching stripe colors. not vinyl. That boat seems colored like an 85, not an 84... ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 8:38pm
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That's definitely a LH engine ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 8:48pm
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It was listed as an 83 but I agree it’s an 84. Dash (woodgrain) and interior match the early boats (82-84), but no wing windows which stuck around through 83. Interior has been replaced but likely matched the tawny/brown before the hull stripe was repainted to look like an 86 (85 would have gone to the rubrail in the rear). Whoever repainted likely kept the name? Can’t possibly be 2 tall pylon lefty big block 2001’s in the northeast with the same name? |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 9:11pm
| Sounds awesome. What a find |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 9:20pm
When I bought this yesterday it was listed as an 83 but reg. And hull ID indicate 84. To me this paint does look to original, it’s doesn’t look like a vynal job. The owner did seem pretty confident that when his family got this in late 80s that they got it from the original owner. Now I’m confused if there were multiple superbeast or if this was the same one lol |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 9:22pm
| The red stripe on the outside is definitely not original. Neither is the interior vinyl or carpet. |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 10:20pm
No kidding, I wonder what it used to look like. So super beast isn’t a factory lettering? |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 10:36pm
| Let’s hope not |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 11:05pm
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I like it and it sounds healthy! Gottaski sent you a warning about your new boat. Pay attention. That hull is normally perfect but in some conditions, rough water or high speed it can suddenly spin a 180 on you and throw people right out of the boat. I have two friends that had this happen. one of them says his wife is still convinced he was screwing around and it was his fault. He swears he was sober and trying to drive straight back to the dock when it happened on Lake Powell in rough water. Do some reading and know what to avoid in that hull. The two guys I know both have the 351W bone stock in their boats so they were not going over 46 MPH when it happened and scared the dog doo out of them. One was in 1982 when these first came out and the other just happened 2 years ago and he bought his new in 1986 and had never had an issue up till then. Nice boat and it will be a ton of fun just learn to respect it and know what it does best before playing in it at high speed. ------------- |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 11:08pm
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Well there are enough distinctive pieces to Id if its same boat. I'll make some emails this week. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-08-2019 at 11:10pm
Sounds good let me know I can send extra pics if it’ll help to |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 9:39am
Indeed If one thinks their superior driving skill can save oneself from this condition, one is mistaken. The only superior skill is awe and respect of the forces involved and precious life. No doubt you will be egged to demonstrate the boats speed at the worst times possible. i encourage you to tell them meet you at the dock at 6am, else forget it! The swapped ends is abrupt and brutal. In a sister boat, after morning sessions a, watched a fellow barefooter riding the engine cover and holding the tall pylon go azz over teakettle (still in barefoot suit), he said he hit the water then dove as soon as he could. I in the middle got stuffed under the bow/driver footwell so thoroughly, had to be pulled out. Luckily the boat stayed shiny side up, mostly. Throttle down below 40 well before hitting irregular waves and wakes obliquely ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 10:12am
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Why is it that the usual suspects haven't come up with any warnings about how the boat is gonna list terribly to the drivers side and handle terribly because it's a normal rotation engine in a hull designed? for a reverse rotation engine? I figure it's survived all these years, it's just fine especially with a passenger and/or some counterweight 
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 10:42am
Driving skills don't come into play once you roll the rudder up out of the water.
Cause rare factory HO engines are worth a little gangsta lean... and lean it will when driven by driver alone. Don't go out alone would be my advise, and if you are driving frisky put the passengers in the back seat port side. Just generally carrying extra ballast on the passenger side would not be recommended unless all the way aft otherwise it is not likely to help the tendency to put a chine in the water. Speeds 30+ the lean is pretty much gone. Isn't someone gonna post this lucky guy a picture with the tri color brown graphics this had originally? I don't have the picture or skills. Based on the remaining 3 color paint patches on the rope deflector feature of the back deck alone and the same name being used I would be shocked if this was not the same boat that Gottaski had spent some time on. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 10:49am
| Thanks for the info guys that’s all good stuff to know, I’ve seen the videos of people easily power sliding these boats which made me think that in the right conditions it might get away from ya |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 11:35am
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Click on the link and you'll find 84 tan and brown colors and stripe scheme. that Joe mentioned I'm not sure why somebody takes a picture of their boat in front of a cemetery though http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29658&title=touch-up-paint" rel="nofollow - link |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 12:35pm
It seems you understand well, Just to remove possible remaining ambiguity, the event we are speaking of is going straight, fast with no wheel inputs, vs the power slide which is horsing around and looking for trouble and downright controlled in comparison. Also not recommended because one looks like a yahoo and doesn't represent the brand nor sport well. heh with big power come big responsibility. Big dogs don't need to bark. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 1:13pm
Right seems like the issue only happens in rough water, calm water seems to be the only time to go 50+ |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 1:38pm
| What it comes down to is that the hull was designed for going up to 36mph in a straight line over generally calm water. |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 2:23pm
55 mph, motor spinning the wrong way, over powered hull, rough water........... Yep "Super Beast" sounds about right....   ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 2:43pm
| How calm of water are we talking, does it have to be glass? lol |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 2:50pm
| The danger is when the front of the boat gets low in the water and the sharp chine grabs steering control away from the rudder. Boat wakes are going to be a much bigger danger than wind chop. Especially wakes traveling away from you, at anything other than a perpendicular angle. Slowing down as you enter them will exacerbate the issue. This can happen at relatively sane speeds on a flat bottom ski boat, especially one with strong leaning tendencies (such as a LH Prop 2001). |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 3:08pm
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I've always said "when in doubt, throttle out" Might really be the best thing to do in this boat to keep the nose higher though if you need to act fast |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 3:24pm
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I have heard as mentioned from trusted friends that this happens in the 2001 hull design. I never experienced anything like this in the 1978 I owned or the 1995 NWZ hull. Am I wrong, can this happen in other Correct Craft hulls? ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 3:46pm
| Can happen to any of them. 2gen SN’s and earlier run pretty bow high to begin with so you have a little more margin before you get into trouble but same rules apply. Can’t say I’ve seen or heard of a NWZ or newer getting into trouble but I’m sure it’s possible. The chine angles may be slightly shallower which would help, but they are also larger boats that will take quite a bit more power to push into the mid 50’s... and I don’t recall anyone having done that yet. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 3:56pm
I see the "usual suspects" have shown up after all
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Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 6:34pm
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So I was looking at the PCM chart, was the PLN a 390 HP motor or 425 HP? The PCM book is showing 390. My motor is a PLN, which actually also indicates salt water setup according to this. See link attached for PCM decoding charts. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rlm2DwfFtzUZ_RO2MaksQ3WIDrRFplyv/view?usp=drivesdk" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rlm2DwfFtzUZ_RO2MaksQ3WIDrRFplyv/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/19zhbo_i_2WaeRmNUTV2VYYwIE_Fj1Pej/view?usp=drivesdk" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/19zhbo_i_2WaeRmNUTV2VYYwIE_Fj1Pej/view?usp=drivesdk ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 7:38pm
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The manuals with the charts are also in the reference section here. PXLN would indicate closed cooling and since you have a PLN and lack the normal stuff that comes with a closed system, at least that part seems original-ish. I’ve never seen 425hp referenced anywhere but on this site, 390 is what all the manuals state. Since the auto/crate version (LS6) that used the same 990/088 rectangle heads was rated at 425hp and had a bit more compression (10-10.5:1 vs 8.6:1), I suspect the 390hp might be closer to reality. The roller cam, depending on the specs, might offset the CR difference though. Wish we had some info on that piece. |
Posted By: Crmaverick
Date Posted: July-09-2019 at 8:16pm
Cool makes sense, do you see any other things that don’t look original to the boat, you noticed something with the cooling system? ------------- |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-12-2019 at 5:09pm
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Ok, confirmed we are speaking of the same boat, no doubts. PM sent to Chis with contact info to owner prior to the its stint in CT, I wasn't aware my friend is also responsible for its current scheme as well, I must have missed those seasons. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: July-16-2019 at 3:04pm
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Would love to time travel back to the early 80’s to hear who suggested the 454 HO in the Ski and reason behind it. Marketing? Celebrating coming out of bankruptcy? To test the limits of the Ski? I can understand having more power in the Footer. If I’m an insurance company I’m saying you’ve got almost 400 HP in a 18.9 vessel....denied! Nevertheless, super cool craft. Now a days 450 in a Ski is nothing. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 2001
Date Posted: July-23-2019 at 1:21am
Wow! 55?!! Cool! I'm jealous  ------------- 1988 2001 Ski Nautique |