Nautique Releases New "Paragon"
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Topic: Nautique Releases New "Paragon"
Posted By: stepper459
Subject: Nautique Releases New "Paragon"
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 12:39am
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I know a lot of people here care very little about the G23 and such, but this IS a Correct Craft forum after all. They released a new model called the G23 Paragon and it's listed on the website at an eye-watering $265k. Rumors are it's a very limited production model. I know, I know, you could have like, all the beater 2001's on Earth for $265k. Hell, you could buy most of the original Paragons, if they came up for sale! The walkthrough video is pretty amazing. I was hoping it would have mahogany top decks and teak floors, but you know, that wasn't going to happen. I kind of have the same opinion of this one as I do of EVERY big new wake boat, but I can't say that it wouldn't be a nice place to spend a day. I still wouldn't buy one even if I had the money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4IqEDo6fE" rel="nofollow - G23 Paragon Walkthrough |
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 1:33am
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At 2:02 it's the most hideous thing I've ever seen on the water. Ever since GM killed Pontiac I had wondered where the Aztek design team ended up...... Of course those on the other site love it, Here we go surfing with a few friends-  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 5:03am
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Well, I reviewed the Video, I suspect this new boat is in the $175,000+ range so I can't afford it. Just looking at the features it is set up really well. The wake it kicks out would probably swamp my Nautique and certainly destroy any thought of finding ski water. You have to respect the engineering and effort to cater to those Surf and wakeboard riders. I did pick up they also included a rope tie so they could pull the occational tube or skier. We are now an afterthought! It woud be a fun boat to take the whole family and about 10 friends along for a play day. I bet the gas burn is around 15 gallons per hour tops. ------------- |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 6:52am
I suspect that you didn't read all of the first post 
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MrMcD wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 8:25am
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I wonder for 265K if you still get the break away prop shaft! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 8:59am
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I thought the all new Ski Nautique was the ugliest boat ever, I was wrong. I hope Mastercraft doesn’t follow the same designs. ------------- Please support The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort 1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 9:35am
Defiantly ugly! I also thought MC started the ugly boat era?  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 10:28am
| More like Ralphagon |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 10:36am
| Nautique doesn't make any model that I can afford anymore . I own 5 boats now all paid for . Only 1 even has a computer . I question the direction they are taking with a 130k ski boat and now a 265k surf ship. It will interesting to see what they will be worth in 10 years when half of the electronics don't work and are not supported by the company anymore? |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 10:43am
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Looks aside, it seems like a really well thought out boat that performs at a very high level, considering it’s intended purpose. It’s just not something that I have any use for or desire to own... even aspirationally. |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 10:47am
 ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 10:54am
I only consider 3 event boats. Which 5 years ago I thought the pitch fork MC was the ugliest boat ever..... today all the new boats are so ugly the pitchfork looks kinda sexy. Plus it’s price tag is way more appealing. ------------- Please support The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort 1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM |
Posted By: RealDeez
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 10:59am
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Have you seen that Back to the Future where doc had to rebuild the time machine computer out of vacuum tubes on a piece of plywood bolted to the hood of the Delorean? That's what those boats will look like in 15 years. And like we show folks how to retrofit a Protec throttle body EFI with a mechanical distributor and a Holly carb, well have a set of dash switches and dials or something to make one of those things run. And I'll probably still be running my 93 with 2000 hours on it. ------------- Lake James, IN 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 11:05am
I agree....heck if it had a grill and a crapper I wouldn’t need a house. I bet next year I’ll see a couple on the lake where we go, being driven by a couple of teenage kids. Last month I waited for about 10 minutes to get gas as the kid couldn’t get daddy’s barge into the fuel slip, maybe the auto thruster will help 
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Posted By: RealDeez
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 11:10am
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Yeah, they'll be out there on Lake James,.. surfing through our little bay, washing the docks off the posts (this has happened). Sigh. Just means I need to retire so I can be on the lake when they're not there... and annoy the poor bastards who still try to fish there. ------------- Lake James, IN 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 11:19am
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Local marina is sitting on 3-4 bigass wakesurf boats in stock all summer and likely all winter, Thats a lot of capital tied up for a small operation . They will end up somewhere eventually, but hopefully the trend has peaked here and soured their distribution to waters that are not intended to see those waves without collateral damage to equipment and natural shoreline, thus water quality ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 11:30am
Paul, I'm sure there enough room on that barge!   ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: stepper459
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 11:41am
I do have to respect the apparent attention to detail on this. So many good ideas put into this boat. Some will last, some will trickle down to the other boats in their lineup, some will not I'm sure. As far as long term reliability of all the little one-off features, "yikes" is probably an understatement. But then if you can afford a $265k wake boat, you can afford to pay someone else to deal with any issues it has, or just use your other boat(s) when it's in for service. On price, I already have a hard time swallowing the price of a "regular" G-series boat or similar. $265K is very near the median home price in New Hampshire, depending on your source ($275-300K). Even the highest-paid people in my local market would struggle to afford one of these, or even a $150k boat for that matter. I think in another lifetime, on a different body of water (Tahoe, maybe) I could see having a G23, or even one of these. WAIT! Don't ban me, I'm not selling my 210 any time soon, or maybe ever. And I still really, REALLY want an original Paragon. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 11:56am
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As far as the ideas about good engineering, design, ergonomics, I tend to agree. I remember the first walkthroughs of the new $120,000 Ski Nautique. Even though a $120,00o boat is in a completely different universe than I am, I appreciated all the performance and ergonomics of it. As far as surf boats in general, of course, I dont get it. And we all see lots of threads on different websites about the disruption and destruction by these boats and more and more laws against them. I am fine with the eventual elimination of them but my little bit of reasonable side used to say, if you are out in the middle of a huge lake, go for it. I changed my mind this weekend. I was cruising up the middle of Badin Lake, in my mind, a pretty big lake. I had to cross the wakes of one of these wake barges on my way back to gregs. It nearly sunk me. I had to drop down to an idle to safely make it through them. I have no more tolerance of these stupid things. Not even on huge lakes. Its a ridiculous imposition on everyone else, never mind the fact that they insist on going into ski coves to wreck shorelines, docks, boats and other skiers' water. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 12:11pm
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heh, this comes to mind... "Do you know why? Because WE HAVE THE BOMBS" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 12:34pm
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I want to see the trailer of this 7400 pound beast. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 12:39pm
We've got a few of the barges up here. Watercraft has been busy selling them. The saddest thing I've seen are the kids out in daddy's barge pulling TUBES!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: desertskier
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 1:04pm
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The removable ice chest is pretty cool. I wonder if you can buy it separately? $10k? Our lake was full of these monsters this last weekend for an annual air chair competition. During the middle of the day we couldn't even drive down the lake. Probably 20 boats with full ballast and lots of people in each. Four foot rollers everywhere. Also, lot's of arrogant/ignorant driving. Very depressing trend! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 1:18pm
| You don’t even need a wake to air chair |
Posted By: stepper459
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 1:46pm
New Hampshire has a study committee right now sparked by the legislature, to "study the possible effects of wake boats" - and I'm sure we're not alone in that. https://www4.des.state.nh.us/blogs/lmac/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/20190423-HB137-Effects-of-Wake-Boats-S-Trans.pdf" rel="nofollow - wake boat study committee letter |
Posted By: zwoobah
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 2:12pm
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The space, design, power, and tech on this thing are pretty incredible. Looks like a nice way to spend a full day on the water with a whole bunch of friends. Ballast presets by sport and rider are really slick. Our lake is too narrow for wake boat use without smashing boats against docks, and also not wealthy enough to see a lot of them. I think they're wonderful in a large open lake or out in the bay. I'm also watching that NH study - I keep my boat in NH. Will be interesting to see what laws they pass. Currently 150' is safe passage, but that's not far enough from shore for a 3' wake to dissipate. ------------- 1968 Mustang 16 - 351W powered |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 2:51pm
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I'm sure you've seen it, On an inside corner, the wake energy concentrates as it propagates, so a 2' wake turns into 3-3.5 or more for someone, something unlucky enough to be in its way ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 2:53pm
Ban them to Oceans only, the surfers on shore would benefit from the huge waves coming in.  ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 3:23pm
Chris, Sound like you're in favor of shoreline erosion and AIS!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 4:02pm
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This new 'boat' looks like some something from the movie series "Transformers." Too bad it can't 'transform' into something better looking... ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 5:03pm
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Kinda cool that the Paragon name is resurrected. That wake is terrifying and the price is even more scary. Wow. ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 5:54pm
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Wow, how things have changes in 27 years, Thirf Fairies are taking over, lol Price point is in line with 93', a SN was about 25k and the Paragon was slightly more than double that. Lines are somewhat "Stealth Bomberish" & the technology is way up there, That being said, If I got one for free I would sell it, lol ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 6:09pm
Not sure what 'in line with 93' is referring to, but it would take around 9.5% annual inflation for the last 26 years to get to the new Paragon $$$. Yikes! ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 6:24pm
| I’d hope you put it up for sale somewhere far away from Deep Lake |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 6:31pm
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Not in that line, lmao, In the line of being double what the base model cost. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 6:43pm
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Not to mention that your Subaru couldn't pull it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 1993R
Date Posted: October-07-2019 at 6:59pm
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"Super Visually Stimulating" |
Posted By: Nautiquehunter
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 11:12am
| I saw on Facebook a Paragon at the Chicago boat show list 307,000.00 show price 279,000.00 . What happened to the best little ski boat company ? |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 12:30pm
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On the video, it says.... "Steeper hull angles for smooth rides on choppy days". "Taller free boards". Hmmm! Sounds a lot like a Martinique, which I got for about $303K less! But, I will admit I don't have the LED light "array" up front for that unmistakable signature appearance. 
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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 12:38pm
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My editorial on a facebook link to a youtube vid of Shaun Murray showing off a Paragon on why I dont think they should have put the Paragon badge on a surf barge. (including a retelling of my Badin/Surf barge story already present above) Dont think they should have put the paragon badge on a surf barge The paragon badge was originally on a ski nautique. A classy, wood trimmed, subtly colored, classic, luxury ski boat. Ski Nautiques are classics, been around for 59 years and will probably be around a lot longer. Surf barges will never live to be classics. Its a passing phase for people who want something easy. I wont say the boat is too expensive. There is a market for it, so good for the people who can afford it. But I will say, its dumb to spend 200-300,000 or more to go 10 miles an hour and do something Ive seen pictures of dogs doing behind boats. Not saying there arent very talented surfers (tho I would never bother) but the vast majority are just out there, riding behind their boats, destroying the lake and shorelines, and doing the world famous hold a beer can while surfing trick (yawn). If it was me, I would just skip the surfing part (boring) and buy a pontoon boat, for me and my 20 closest friends, and cruise around on that listening to tunes on my blue tooth speaker (vs the $25,000 stereo). Obviously, I dont get surfing, but that doesnt mean its wrong, or at least I didnt think so until recently. So lots of complaints about surfers tearing up lakes and shorelines. OK, those are the knuckleheads. There are respectful surfers too, right? I dont know. Maybe. I boat on a small lake where surf barges are already banned. Have been for years. But hold on. That is coming to a lake near you soon. So I dont have to put up with them. But recently, I trailered to a big lake for the day. The kind of lake big enough where I thought respectable surfers can practice their, uh, "skill" without disrupting everything. I was wrong. As I was heading back to the dock up the main channel, I passed a surf barge. The wakes in the middle of the lake were so huge that they almost swamped my nautique. I had to slow to an idle just to survive it. I and other boaters shouldnt have to put up with that. So, where is that rant going. Surfing is a phase and fad and a bad one. Soon will be banned pretty much everywhere. Surf barges will be a thing of the past, and hence, my original comment, they should not have put the "classic" paragon badge on a soon to be extinct surf barge. Just my 2 cents. Sort of disrespectful to the name, kind of like Ford putting the mustang name on a mustang II or on their latest electric crossover. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: RealDeez
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 12:45pm
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You gave them both barrels. I hope they ban wakes over a certain size in Steuben county soon. Sorry. Those things don't belong here. Now if we can get on with banning idiots, I'll sign off on that, too, no matter the personal risk. ------------- Lake James, IN 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 2:02pm
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C'mon Dad, pleeze, pleeeeze buy me a new Paragon? Setting aside the looks, I struggle with the ability of those young enough to want to pursue wake surfing seriously enough to be able to afford one of these. @ 25% down/8 years@6.5%=$3,300/month pmt. Ouch!! Married 2 years wife and I able to buy new '83 Nautique, ski all the time. Was around $14k. $50k today. Just no longer relative. "Son, your body's writing checks your wallet can't cash" ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 2:15pm
Wow Larry, tell us how you really feel.
That’s certainly one way of putting it. Stimulating =/ Satisfying. |