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Topic: Announcing www.Fifteenoff.com
Posted By: M3Fan
Subject: Announcing www.Fifteenoff.com
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 8:45pm
Hey gang, I finally created a skiing-related website (Keith, I sent you an email about this so I hope you don't mind me announcing my site on yours  ). Special thanks to Hollywood and TRBenj for some early previewing of the site. I thought I'd release it to you guys first since everyone here pretty much knows me and will be easy on me with the criticism! Let me know what you think.
Here's my press release: 3/19/07 Chicago, IL: Announcing http://www.fifteenoff.com - www.Fifteenoff.com ! Fifteenoff.com is a slalom skiing blog and resource by and for skiers who are just starting to ski the course or are just starting to "cut the line". The site's creator and author , Joel Hughes, will document his skiing revelations and progress from 15 off to (hopefully) shorter line lengths and higher speeds. What makes Fifteenoff.com different from other slalom sites is that reviews, tips, advice, and skiing revelations in the site will be taken from the perspective of a slalom skier who is just starting to learn the course. "In the 4 or so seasons I've been skiing slalom, I've had a hard time finding tips, equipment reviews, and direction on the web geared towards those who are just starting to get into the slalom course. Long line lengths and slower speeds are a whole different ball game than what the pros run. In some cases just getting a course or good water is tough for many skiers out there. By documenting my own progression through the course, I hope to provide a resource for skiers who are working on longer line lengths and slower speeds. Of course, all skill levels are welcome- especially when it comes to giving the advice." said site creator and author Joel Hughes. |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 9:14pm
never tried to slalom..went straight from 2 skis to barefootn and boardin..im gonna get at it this year i think....ill keep the site in mind and passs the word
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Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 9:31pm
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Looks great Joel, can't wait for some ski reviews. You know where I'm at and I need to be thinking of a new ski here very shortly.
------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-19-2007 at 10:23pm
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nice job Joel!
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 7:20am
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Thanks for the new site Joel,
It looks great, and I'm a subscriber! Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 8:19am
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Nice job Joel!
added to my bookmarks ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:00pm
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nice site joel one typo tho. The GL pictures page you have Allen's and my boat facing each other, the first picture where it's says 77 and 81 it should be 79 and 81,
saw your early shot of your 77 maybe you photo-shoped it in can't see the interior to well to tell the diference if it is or isn't ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:05pm
"Hello Pot, Kettle speaking." ------------- |
79nautique wrote:Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:09pm
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It's not like he's calling Joel a dump ass for the typo, he knows he can't type either.
When clicking the actual url links on the "links" page it would be nice if they opened in their own window. I'm not sure if that's anything you can control though. ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:13pm
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Joel,
Great idea on the site, looking forward to more!! While on the subject of typo's, check "Triumph" on your latest entry. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:17pm
| I can easily modify those links to open in their own window, no prob. Will do. |
Posted By: Darrel
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:18pm
| I added too. Most ski sites are tuned to guys that are running 35,38..off, Great idea! |
Posted By: todicus
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:30pm
Right up my alley........ thanks for the cool site.  ------------- Living outside the wake http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1525 - 95GT-40SNOB |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 1:41pm
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Nice site Joel. I must be a charter member as I am one of those who has been stuck at 31 mph/15 off for about 25 years now. Like you, I never have had too much opportunity to go on or exposure to courses. Unlike you, I have never been to a school. In a good summer I might get a dozen passes, and that hasn't happened in a few years now. Ken pulled me through one on his lake a couple times last year, but that was it. A new work colleague recently told me about a local lake that I don't use that has a course out all the time. I checked it out but the public ramp is pretty much just for fishermen, is unpaved and way too gradual/shallow for me to use, unless I bought a hummer with a snorkle. So no go there.
I like to do it because no matter how good or bad you are, you can always challenge yourself and watch your own improvement. Setting goals always adds to the satisfaction of an endeavor. Good luck with the site...I'll be checking in for pointers. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 7:55pm
| whats 15 off mean in simple terms... |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-20-2007 at 9:38pm
Normal ski rope is 75 feet long. In competition, they shorten the rope every time the skier makes a successful 6 bouy pass. It gets harder as the rope gets shorter so competitors start getting eliminated. It goes in set intervals of 15 feet off (hence a 60 foot rope) 22 28 32 35 38 39.5 and 41 feet off. Keep in mind its 37.5 feet from the pylon to the bouy so when the big boys are going 38 off, the rope (now at 37 feet long)is shorter than the distance from the pylon to the bouy. You may have noticed the color coded take off loops and sections on ropes...I believe the standard is the colors of the rainbow; red is 15 off, orange 28, yellow 32, and so on. Joel has aptly named his site, because most folks start working on the course at 15 off, in that a full 75 foot line is a bit sluggish on a course. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 6:01am
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IMO no slalom skier should ever be on a 75' line; too many bad habits to break later. When I get a new line that section comes off and put in a box.
good luck with your endeavor ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 6:43am
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Joel,
Knee bend is good but your hips are about 14" behind where they should be. Your all bent up. Let those arms out and leave them out; aside from a slight bend to absorb the shock loading after the apex, then let them out. When the arms bend, the butt droops, the shoulder roll. Then you can only pull as hard as your lower back and biceps are strong. You must rethink about using skelatal strength vs muscular strength. When the upper body is linear to the line, your really going to zing. Stay off the course for a few sessions to fully rework the body position; don't compromise form for that 1/2 bouy - that equates to plateaus. Once your committed to a run, its virtualy impossible to correct form, especially if you havn't experienced it yet. Start each cut with purest form; if you crush and drop the butt, stop cutting; reset and then rinse-repeat. Stop thinking 'pull'; its the wrong mindset; the body will crush and loose leverage. Think 'push'. You are pushing against the boat with the legs. Say 'push' to yourself every cut. The primary muscles used should be the traps, quads and glutes, anything else, the form needs correction. Get Rathburn's 12 slalom drill video, its really great for an enthusiast like yourself. Great to see someone excited about slalom. Your going to have a great year. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:27am
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GottaSki, you pretty much described my slalom skiing as well, I will work on the things you mentioned thanks! ------------- |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:43am
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Gottaski, thanks for the advice. I think my issue with my hips originates right in my pre-turn when I don't open myself up at all towards the shore. Instead, as you mentioned, I muscle my way through the turn with my upper body, and my hips fall behind. I tried opening up the upper body through the pre-turn on my last run last season with Hollywood and the difference on 1 ball was night and day. Of course, I didn't know what to do with myself after 1 ball and blew it afterwards, but I definately felt something click.
Keep the advice coming- but send it to joel@fifteenoff.com and I'll post it for others. Thanks! |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:48am
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Anytime.
Many are so bent up after the deepwater start, then go right into their cuts, and never recover. Follow every DW start with a 'reset' procedure for the body and mind. push the hips up over the forward heel, straighten the back, roll the shoulders back where they should be, and open up the arms. Then ease into the rythem. cripes, can you tell I'm caucasion? I can't even spell rythem. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:49am
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Tom,
Sounds like you know what you are doing. We should move this conversation over to Joels new site to get it rolling, but since we're here...I'll ask. All my still photos of me skiing look like this. Front of ski way to high up. Simple answer is less weight on rear foot, but it doesn't seem as easy as that. Any ideas. I have some video of me doing (attempting) the course. Maybe I'll post that this weekend and get your thoughts.  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: hspore
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:54am
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Wow! A lot of good information on this thread. Thanks guys. Hey Ryan, keep on footin' as long as you can, the falls hurt worse as you get older...and think of the money you are saving on buying a slalom ski.
------------- Heath |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:56am
| Hmm, 75, that could be a ski setup issue as well. I'm in no position to give advice, but maybe move the front boot forward a hole or two? |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 11:03am
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What are you refering to when you say "open up the arms or I don't open myself up towards the shore"? Can you elaborate on that a bit. thanks ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 11:32am
Alan, Im guessing he's referring to a position like these:
The http://www.schnitzskis.com/skitips.html - Schnitz site says, "The most efficient skiers utilize upper and lower body separation. Like snow skiing where the chest always faces down the hill, great water-skiers utilize the same body position. Upper body rotation causes the skier to get out of position while accelerating which in turn causes a delay in the edge change which in turn causes slack or down course problems after the buoy." He also says "Reaching down and forward puts more weight on the front of the ski putting more ski in the water, which equals more deceleration and turning." Lots of good tips on his site. Joel, if youre referring to something else, please correct me. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 11:38am
I'm pretty good at that, but it usually equates to my face following right behind. I really need to focus on that lower-upper body separation and quit relying on my arms and back. Pretty excited to get out in the course regularly this year with Mr. Fifteenoff.com himself. ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 11:52am
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Larry,
Gotta love the shades while skiing! Not an expert here but your hands are too high, always pull to your waist, I have read RFF should be RH Knuckle up. To get back under control, or off your heels, I was told to hold body stance and turn the ski a bit as apposed to turning only with your body lean. Last year this time I skied with Seth Stisher and one drill he had me run was keep me eye on the top of the pylon at all times to help position as well. This topic/Joel's site will be even better when we are all back in the water and actually working on our skiing, cannot wait! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 12:09pm
| Quinner, you better join HW and I on the course this year too! You should be a regular there. |
Posted By: Darrel
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 12:10pm
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The end of my red line always is the first to wear out. This just isnt good because, a few years ago i was running 28 off 8 out of 10 attempts. I need to find someone who goes "off the dock" at 22 and purchase their unused red lines. Or maybe i should get back to practicing.
Does anyone have any experience with "river" temp. courses? I have about a 4 mph current. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 12:23pm
Figured they would rate a comment. Actually they are swimming goggles. I am blind as a bat and wear contacts. After having several wash away, I started wearing the goggles. Looks dopey but saves on eyewear costs. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 1:01pm
regarding the arms, I mean, let the elbows go..don't compromise the shoulders, but let the arms be an extension of the line, with the mildest of bends. 75, I can't see that pic till later, but I have a good idea what it looks like. I'll check tonight. I' don't recommend changing the binding position till technique is further remedied, else I've seen some hard falls. it's going to be hard to weight that front foot when the hips are 'broke', and your cg falls back. With one leg extended and one contacted, one has little fore-aft flexibility below the waist; so the flexibility comes from where it shouldn't, the back. Try it just standing..ski stance..one leg locked high. sux. Alternatively, skootch down, rotate the hips forward, no, really forward. bend both knees about 25 degrees. Your fore-aft balance changes from upper body to lower body. You should be able to lift either foot of the ground 1/2" with virtually no body adjustment. You shouldn't see much motion, all this rowing and shifting and breaking...the knees should compress and flex, but the rest is remarkably static. I'm a proponent of strong-foot forward. Unfortunately most beginners are encouraged to put the strong in the back and its just one more thing to overcome. I also suggest looking where you want to go...the body will follow. that is about 30' ahead of the next bouy so you can make the apex before the bouy, not at it or beyond. You have a couple things to overcome regarding speed. Try 2-3-4 more free skiing. Focus more on correcting body position on the cuts rather than the turns. right now your bleeding off too much speed on the pre-turn, combined with lower boat speed, the mind want's to shorten itself to lower cg, hense break at the wiast, like taking a turn on a bicycle at too low a speed, you get all twisted tilting the bike while trying to stay more upright.. add a little speed and the bike-body are more in sync. That broken, low-speed turn now compromises your following cut because your azz is skiing behind you and you now have to reel it in...too late, one's already hitting the wake and falling apart again. Carrying more speed into the turn, bleeding it off with pre-turn, keep you hips forward though the arc, if you want to get lower, do it with the knees, not the back; setup is better for the next cut, tilt back, hips pushed up high. It feels like you hips are above your ears, but they're really not (yet). ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 3:46pm
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One more thing, consider not observing a 39.5 off skier skiing at 39.5 off for technique.. they're at the top of they're game: breaking, dunking, hooking to get that next bouy. Unless you want to be breaking, dunking, hooking to get 30mph 15 off. Then there's nowhere to go, you'll be at top of your game.
Now, watch a 39.5 off skier at 32 mph, 15 off, that is your bullseye. Seamingly Effortless. Like watching someone saltwater flyfish, or telemark ski, looks so placid but inside the intensity is $@%%^$@line!@%@##?cast^&%#^&%WIND%^^&%A$KNEESINMYFOREHEAD&*^&*^%ARGHHH&*^$#^$ ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: March-21-2007 at 10:20pm
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Joel, great site and good thread here!
Tom, your advice is exceptional. Thanks! ------------- Mullet Free since 93 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=717&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995 - 95 Sport |
Posted By: roadkingpuck
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 12:10am
| G-Ski, In your experience what is the best routine for making the next shorter line length? It seems that once you get 15 off consistently, 22 off is not a huge hurdle. But 28 off is definitely a new ball game. Is it better to shadow the early part of the course and make the 4,5,6 balls; or the reverse, make the early balls and shadow the last part of the course (assuming one is still on the water, not in the water)? It is amazing how added speed and less rope can instantly humble a skier. But it is addicting. |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 5:51am
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Hmm. Well there's nothing like a great entrance and an early ball 1. But one must keep the amplitude wide so you can maintain keeping that apex pulled back and not loose that advantage.
well if one's trying 28 in the course, one best be free skiing at 32 off, 34 or 36 mph prefereably. Also no advantage going to shorter lines if your boat speeds are still under 34 mph. Read- Transition to 15 off 34 mph before samping 22off at 32. Compromised form at slower speeds won't automatically develop to shortline skills at reduced speed, making the transition to shorter lines, harder, more abrupt, read dramatic spills. Short line length will produce speeds by itself, one best be preparred as one can. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 6:18am
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75,
you have some good intensity going, I can tell by the water you are putting up in the preturn. We just have to harness it. I hope that speed you are burning off is from your main cut, and not from a double-pull ( a second pull after the wakes), If you are indeed double pulling, one must stop, and rely on the momentum achived from the pull both prior and through the wakes; Post-second wake, rotate to flat and into the pre-turn. Don't fret if your amplitude isn't there yet, it will come. Notice how your back leg is locked up, the front is just floating. The ski is to the side of you, but the rope is about to tighten again; you havn't rotated through the turn far enough to align your body to the rope and use body leverage for the next cut, You'll have to muscle out of that turn. Your legs should be comming around to be pointed back at the boat. At the moment the picture is taken, momentum is still being burned by putting water in the air vs carrying you out of the turn. [too much deceleration] The water should be breaking just in front of the front toes. Reversing your weight distribution will slam more of that ski in the water. Look at your ski, it has a natural rocker to it; you get that down in the water and that arc will be making the turn for you vs that rear foot tailstand. The more surface area will also preserve more momentum out of the turn, to help rotate through and be aligned for the next pull, er, push. That is where your amplitude will come from, a cut that begins early and is maintained through both wakes. You'll now be at max acceleration where one used to be 'recovering' from their turn. I may be in err but the speed looks a little low for your intensity and mass. If you want to run course at 32 mph, best free ski at 34. 34, freeski at 36. don't exceed 36. For years I would start the year at 15 off, go to 22 mid season, dabble in 28 last few outings; well that cement-capped progess. Nothing accelerated progress like some corrected form, and pushing oneself to dabble in the next speed and line length before one thinks the prior is mastered, because lingering makes undoing the compromised form even harder. Guys try to also get some pix of the cut right before the first wake, in the trough; that is very telling and worthy of discussion. Get out there soon and rip it up. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: todicus
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 11:05am
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After reading all this great information, I have come to realize that I have been skiing with absolutely horrible form for 30 years. No wonder my lower back always hurts. Total tail dragger with strong leg back, bent arms etc.... I need a total ski makeover.
Thanks for all the help !! ------------- Living outside the wake http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1525 - 95GT-40SNOB |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 11:19am
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GottaSki words where I completely understand what he's talking about. I've watched some videos and had a few years of quality instruction from great skiers at Purdue but this thread seems to really speak to me, maybe it's because I'm itching to get back out on the water??? ------------- |
Posted By: todicus
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 11:32am
I have as well, but then my wife found them, threw them away and made me go to marriage counseling........  Oh, different kind of video, my bad.------------- Living outside the wake http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1525 - 95GT-40SNOB |
Posted By: Darrel
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 11:58am
| GottaSki, you are a great coach. It takes a lot of talent to cull that much info out of a still frame. I never heard the advice about free skiing at the next shorter line length. Something new to try this spring. Our season kicked off last weekend, couldnt be soon enough. |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 12:19pm
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Thanks for the kind words,
teaching is almost as much fun as skiing, more especially the kids. Yes, pushing your envelope free skiing, can make the course seem slow, if you can imagine. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 12:29pm
| You know, free skiing seems to be where I have the hardest OTF falls over the wake. It's almost like I need the course to look in the right places and know when to turn. When I free ski, I'm typically all over the place, not getting angle, and getting in all kinds of trouble. I'll try it more this year but for the past couple years I've always skied my best in the course. I suppose that's probably pretty odd. |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 12:31pm
| Let me also say this- when going to a shorter length free skiing, I'll subconciously wimp out on the cuts across the wake. It's like my mind is putting the brakes on because, at say 28 off, the "whip" cracks so much harder. Because of this, the wake feels huge and kills me. |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 12:33pm
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M3, that is odd. This may be where the progressive instruction of Gordon Rathburn's 12-drill video may be advantageous, each elemental skill builds on the previous skill, and may get you out of that dilema and moving onward.
I think it may be best to stay away from 28 off till you've progressed well to 34 mph, at least. Get a fresh start and you'll be able to handle the speeds, either from boat or line, keep that ski on edge, maximizing pull in the wake and ski will slice through vs bounce up, that wake will shrink in time and become just a another bump. If the legs are not put in line with the rope, the wake will cause a for/aft moment when the rope goes taught, combined with the sudden decel of going flat on the wake and spooning the tip of the ski, that throws you out the front, When you're all lined up, hitting the wake just accelerates you more because the shock just follows the skelaton and can get absorbed with a little knee and transferred back to the rope and ski. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 4:29pm
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Joel,
Congratulations on your site. I'll certainly need some tips. I'm still trying to accomplish the slalom course at zero off. That's been a goal of mine to complete the course. My weak side is very weak!! Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 4:49pm
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Ken, we'll get you there, no problem.
Would anyone who gave advice on this post mind if I post it on my site under a new blog entry? |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 6:50pm
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Joel,
Our lake opened up today, when are we getting that course out? I am planning on putting the boat back together and cleaning it up this weekend. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 7:04pm
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What's a slalom ski?course?Seriously,I don't ski,just wakeboard,but this is an excellent thread.Makes me want to try it.GottaSki you've obviously been doing this a while.Congrats on the new site Joel,I'll check it out.You guys will have me up on one in no time .
Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 7:44pm
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M3Fan, thats fine with me. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-22-2007 at 11:15pm
Quinn, I'm out of town next week but after that, let's drop the course in your place and give it a rip. Next weekend OK? 3/31 or 4/1? |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-23-2007 at 8:13am
Brrrrrrr!!!!!!!! (I guess I must be getting old...20 years ago I would have been right there with you...today...not so much) Anyway, good luck and have fun. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |