Slalom Ski
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Topic: Slalom Ski
Posted By: jon4pres
Subject: Slalom Ski
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 1:32pm
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I want to learn how to slalom and I need some tips. I tried to get up for the first time on a slalom a coupld of weeks ago and all I managed to do was drink a lot of the lake.
I will take any good pointers. Thanks Jon ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1801&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 - 82 2001 jon4pres@gmail.com Fort Scott Kansas |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 1:36pm
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Jon, Have you tried dropping one ski yet? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jon4pres
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 1:43pm
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No, I skied on 2 when I was 10 years old and then moved on to kneeboard and now wakeboard.
I did get up on 2 a couple of weeks ago just to make sure that I could even do that. I was going to drop one but there was other boat trafic around. It is going to be tough to find a good place on the lake where I go to drop a ski. I would really like to just learn how to get up on 1. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1801&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 - 82 2001 jon4pres@gmail.com Fort Scott Kansas |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 2:08pm
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Ya gotta walk before you run. Drop one first so you get the idea what it feels like to balance on one ski. I've never seen anybody do a slalom deepwater start before learning how to slalom first. If you want to continue to drink half the lake just keep doing what you're doing.
------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 2:08pm
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Jon,
Keep skiing on 2, while riding lift the ski that would not be your forward foot slalom (same foot as boarding), from there if you can then drop the ski and work on skiing slalom. IMHO it is easier to teach someone to ski on 1 then work on your starts. Some of the basics on slalom start are keep your arms extended in front of you, rope should be on the same side of your ski as your rear leg/foot, do not pull in on the rope, forward foot knee in your chest, slowly rise out of tuck through the pull with your shoulders over your foot, butt out and knee forwards just a bit. Rear foot in or out is debatable, try both, if out once up don't be in a hurry to get foot in the rear toe right away, set it on the ski and when stable slip foot in toe plate. Be sure your driver does not over throttle, slow easy throttle is fine, if the rope is coming out of your hands or you are going over the top start a bit slower. You can do it!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 2:10pm
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Your ski have a boot or a stap for the rear binding? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jon4pres
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 2:28pm
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quinner, I will try to drop one next time I go out but I think part of my problem is that I am having the driver take off to fast.
62, Just a strap. I know it is sad but I have owned a boat that says SKI on the side of it for a couple of years and not ever even had a ski in it. We went on vacation with the whole family a couple of weeks ago and my mother bought a pair of cheap skis at walmart. I am sure they are far from the best. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1801&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 - 82 2001 jon4pres@gmail.com Fort Scott Kansas |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 2:34pm
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If you find yourself going out the front on the start you are standing up to quick.
If you find the ski wobbly when you are up and a lot of spray out the front, put some more weight on your front foot. Tim |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 3:02pm
no problem on the ski... the only reason I asked is you also have the option of dragging the "back" leg in the water.. can help with balance. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
jon4pres wrote:Posted By: Herdski
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 3:05pm
| We have always had luck teaching slalom skiers with a two handled rope. If you stick you ski right between the two handles it keeps your ski steady. Lean back and let the boat do the work. If you get two much weight on your front foot the ski wants to go all over the place. Good luck!! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 3:14pm
You will need a lot of luck to be successful with these tips ^^^ ------------- |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 3:19pm
My mom. Up on first try ever, and not very athlethic at that. The trick is she did what she was instructed to do. Knees bent, arms straight, let the boat pull you on top of the water. Never changes. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 3:40pm
| You got to be competent on 2 skis first, then drop one until you can get your foot in the rear boot, and once you have balance on one ski and can cross the wake and generally ski on one, start working on your deep water start. |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 3:44pm
For what you're doing, those skis will work fine. Do like Quinner says and just lift the ski a few inches off the water. Try both ski's. One will feel more comfortable than the other one. The ski(foot) that is on the water when you feel most comfortable will be the forward foot when you try to drop one. Once that is determined, you can try to drop the other one. Take the boat boat speed up a couple more MPH. When you drop the ski, don't be in a hurry to put your rear foot back on the ski. Just leave it drag around the whole lake if you need to. You'll find that as soon as you try to put your rear foot behind the front foot, you'll probably go down. That's where most people have the most issues. Finding your balance on that single ski is the trick. After you ride around for a while just dragging that rear foot, you'll become more balanced and comfortable on the ski. SLOWLY move your trailing foot behind your front foot and just set it on the ski. Don't try to put it in the stirup yet. Get used to the feeling of having both feet in line. That will take a little getting used to also. As you get more comfortable, you can ease that rear foot into the stirup. Once you get comfortable on the ski and dropping one, then feel free to start learning deepwater starts. If you have a boom, that is a great aid for learning the drop, getting your balance and finally the deepwater start. Good luck and let us know how you're doing. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 3:53pm
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I got a pair of Red Obrian combos in my garage if anybody wants them, make a donation and I'll send them to you
eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 4:09pm
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eric, check your email ------------- |
Posted By: Barracuda
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 4:09pm
Haven't seen one of those in ages. I think my dad still has one. When you get tired, you can lock the handles together behind your back and take a rest, right  ------------- Former: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=759" rel="nofollow - '86 Nautique http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=507" rel="nofollow - '65 Barracuda |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 4:13pm
Ski Team is always looking for old skis for drop skis. Bring your kids over some time and I will take you guys out. Tim |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 7:09pm
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Hey John,
Maybe I missed it, but you obviously have your boat back together. Did your project work out OK? Good luck on the skiing. If you keep the ski between you and the boat you're up! Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: August-23-2007 at 9:59pm
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Try to go outside the wake on 2 skis towards the side you are going to drop . This will help you with your balance because it wont allow the ski to wobble back and forth when you do finally drop { probably about 15 to 20 feet out side the wake }. Then drag your foot, on the top of your foot and slitely behind your other foot that is in the ski . This is the way I learned to go on one ski . Give it a try . I hope it works for you . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: 69 Mustang
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 12:40am
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When I teach women to ski I tell them that they should set themselves up in the water as if they are holding onto a branch for dear life while peeing over a cliff. They all seem to get up on the first or second try. Go figure.
I have been getting up on one for years now, but I had to start with 2 and lift the drop ski foot to get used to the balance. When first getting up on 1, I had a spot on my ski that I focused on so that I was not distracted by anything, just keeping a straight line. I still drag my rear leg - use it as a rudder for getting up. Then I get my toes on the rear of the ski and slowly "crab walk" my toes into the rear strap. When making my turns on 1, I focus my sight on where I want to be, not what I need to go through to get there. Seems to make crossing the wake insignificant, I never feel any bumps. As far as other boat traffic, we used to have the driver stay about 150 feet off shore and have the skier swing out toward shore and "aim" the drop ski toward the dock. Most boats won't go that close to a shoreline with docks and you have a landmark on which to base your search for the drop ski. They almost always come to rest fin up. When I get a little tired or in an extended boat turn, I will put the handle in the crook of my elbow and grab the opposite shoulder of my vest to rest and regroup until I can start making cuts again. Mike ------------- For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. "Where the **** are we?" Amelia Earhart. July 2, 1937 |
Posted By: Bob's2001
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 3:15am
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Well I ustacould, seems like I always let the back foot kinda drag while getting up and then put it in the rear step. I got a Connolly "Big Daddy" for my birthday from the kids. I'll see how that works. It looks big as a carrier deck! ------------- Bob Ed 83 2001 |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 10:22am
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Hollywood check your e-mails and let me know if you recieved it, i replied from my shop on my brothers computer and im not sure if it went through eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 11:34am
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Another good point on a slalom start/skiing is using the correct size ski as well as proper boat speed, http://waterski.about.com/od/tipsslalombegin/a/slalom_sizing.htm - this chart shows some basic guideline's. The higher performance the ski generally speaking the harder it will be to get up on and in some cases it may actually be harder to ride if it is beyond your skill level. A wide ski of correct length will make the deep water starts much easier.
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 11:46am
So you about ready to ditch that 4'x8' sheet of plywood and get on something that resembles a slalom ski? ------------- |
Posted By: jon4pres
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 1:25pm
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I am hoping to give it a run this weekend but am not too sure if the forcast is going to cooperate.
Thanks for all of the tips. The Lake, Yea the boat is all back together and running great. It was a tough process but it was all worth it. I think that I am going to definetly try and drop a ski. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1801&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 - 82 2001 jon4pres@gmail.com Fort Scott Kansas |
Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 1:49pm
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I have to testify to nice and easy to get out of the water.
I skied a lot when young. Started skiing again this year. Second time skiing in 15 years and I got up deep water slalom behind my Classic on the 2nd try. Then I skiied behind Quinners boat with same ski. It took at least 6 tries. I swore I was being pulled by a friggin jet! He had to put it in "clapped out, sodden, Bayliner mode" before I could get out of the water. After that, it was awesome. First time behind a real ski boat. Wah-Hoo! Too bad my forearms were too trashed to take a second run. Learned the lesson again last weekend when using a new wakeboard. Easy does it did it again. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1868&sort=&pagenum=1 - 62 Classic http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5242&sort=&pagenum=1 - 2002 Super Air |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 5:39pm
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Jeez Doggy you are making me feel bad, IIRC it was putting on the gloves that did the trick on try #6. In reality I did start Steve out with what would be a medium pull and continued to use less and less throttle each try thereafter. He got it and then ran 6 balls at 32off, unbelievable!!
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Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: August-24-2007 at 6:30pm
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Quinner, good driver and great boat exposed poor form and atrophied muscles of the skiier. The gloves did help keep the handle in my 'Montgomery Burns' like hands.
Once up - felt awesome. Except I missed the 6th ball. 5 for 6 on that run
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 10:45am
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Jon, make sure you drop the right ski ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: joed
Date Posted: August-25-2007 at 10:29pm
That might be better stated... make sure you drop the correct ski... depending on your forward foot choice!
Joe ------------- Joe D. http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb202/joedelbecq/BoatAngle.jpg - 1986 Ski Eliminator |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 4:16pm
| Wow We always teach people to ski by deep water slalom starts. We never drop them. The hardest part is getting up soo once ur up its not bad as long as you lean back. Just gotta keep that ski strait keep those knees bent as much as possible and I wrap my arms around my legs to keep myself stedy in the water untill they hit it. I just taught my fat little buddy how to slalom in 3 tries a few weeks ago. And you cant take off to fast when pulling up a slalom skier Just hammer it. I hat at tournements when they dont hammer it to get skiers up out of the water. Thats my input hopefully you will be skiing like a pro soon. |
Posted By: jon4pres
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 5:49pm
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You guys are making me feel great by saying that you mom, fat friend, paralyzed brother in law, mentally hanicapped uncle and favorite pet got up on their 2nd try.
I am still waiting to give it a second chance. We went out this weekend but there were just to many peope around to drop a ski. I think wed. night might be the next try. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1801&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980 - 82 2001 jon4pres@gmail.com Fort Scott Kansas |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 6:46pm
total crap, adjust the launch to suit the skier's preference. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 7:15pm
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Joe, i couldnt think of the correct word,
Eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 7:31pm
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I'd hate to be holding the rope behind my boat if someone hammered it?!!? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 8:24pm
That one really had me puzzled as well. I'm over 230 lbs and don't have to throw the hammer to come up on a slalom ski. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: todicus
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 8:35pm
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I would have to say that the many times I have pulled slalom skiers, including myself being behind my boat, if you put the thottle full on "hammer style", you will rip the ski handle right out of their/my hands.
I always get the rope tight, put it in gear at idle to slightly drag the skier and then hit it with about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. This, of course, was not the case when we were skiing behind my 1973 avenger with a 85 hp Evinrude......... definitely hammer the throttle in that case. ------------- Living outside the wake http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1525 - 95GT-40SNOB |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: August-28-2007 at 8:50pm
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We had to "hammer" down with the 35 horse Evinrude.
Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 12:08pm
| It must take you forever to get out of the water BKH unless your using a big ski or something. My dad is about 190 and on a connley concept his 285 horse mastercraft has a hard time pulling him up. I retract somewhat of my prior statement but anyone that weighs a deecent ammount benifits from hammer. Smaller people dont need alot but I like to be pulled up with full throttle. I only weigh 125 right now. My boat kind of sucks right now because it has a 4 blade with to much pitch so anyone behind it requires full hammer. We have always just used the hammer down approach for any decent sized person. But I guess you have 70 more horses than me BKH soo your 3/4 throttle is probably like my full throttle. |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 12:27pm
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Zach,
It is a matter of technique, not horsepower. Like many of the others, when I grew up it was common to ski behind outboards as small as 35 or 50 horses. If you can get up behind one of those, you can get up behind anything. As Gottaski suggested, just have to adjust to the preference of the skier. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 12:44pm
| True I just like to get out of the watter as fast as possible thats my preference haha. |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 12:46pm
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My daughter weighs 115 and I don't even go quarter throttle for her slalom deep waters and she starts with both feet in on a 63" ski. I'm 200 and also start with both feet in on a 67" ski and 3/4 throttle is more than sufficent.
------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: scottb
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 5:19pm
| My wife goes full throttle when I am skiing and she is po'd because of something I said. You would think I would have learned my lesson the first couple of times. |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 5:22pm
Get a Perfect Pass - saves lots of marital arguments. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 5:41pm
There's your problem right there |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 5:48pm
I wasn't gonna go there but I'm glad somebody else did. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: August-29-2007 at 11:56pm
| Hahahahah thats right. Notice I have the "correct craft". I always kid him and call it a mastercrap.. Ill admit the slalom wake is very nice compaired to my old 2001. |
Posted By: Bryan89
Date Posted: August-30-2007 at 12:25am
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Get a cheater rope, it has a wide bridle to help keep your ski straight as you are getting up. I feel that this is much easier and safer than dropping a ski. My wife learned to slalom on her first try. She had only double skied one time before she tried the slalom. I always use a gradual start (so I don't jerk the handle out of the skiers hands) but apply plenty of power once the skier is moving so they don't drink to much water.
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Posted By: 63CCSN
Date Posted: September-04-2007 at 10:57pm
| If you go with the drop a ski option,as you are learning to slalom ski, you can have another boat just off shoreline, come out and pick up the dropped ski shortly after you drop it. No need to search, no hazard to other boaters or skiers. Just my 2 cents. |