Never again, Again !

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On another note or two,
the last 3 days have been busy and i didn't find out until today how bad the hurricane was and how hard some states were hit and that there was loss of life.

Second, i wanna hear the constructive criticism or regular criticism concerning both rebuilds before either goes too far utilitarian and no puff. When i read slalom tractor i think 70's/80's range rovers before they went all poofy and started getting stuck on wet pavement.

7 households lost power at 1600 hrs yesterday because a certain neighbor behind me can't maintain their property. I have offered to use my truck tools time and money along with the access i have thru the yard to cut back clean up and remove the waste, all I ever hear is how rhe plants will get stressed.
So starting on monday i will begin forging a new relationship with code enforcement by stopping by the office 3 or 4 times a week to complain about it and several other mouthy nosey neighbors who have trees and sheds inside the pud&e and without permits.

No thanks by the way for 30 feet of gate on the north and 12 feet of gate on the south property to access the utilities by the power company, they were upset i wouldn't let them drive 26 thousand pound truck over the watermain concrete and lawn.

The boss did say thanks for runnin to dunkin at 0700 tho.

As i understand it the hurricane caused some serious damage over on the gulf side for which i am sorry to hear and the bs here in the 32905 in no way even comes close to what other people are dealing with this morning.

Also after a sleepless night worried about froggy, i am happy to say that while outside watching the power company and doing some clean up this morning froggy was found alive and well hanging out on the side of the house.

Fabricating and planting evidence is more of an fbi thing.

Far as(1992) marissa goes she could prep me for testimony over a long weekend at some casino in vegas in that dress with those shoes nails and big hair.

I checked with my cousin Vinny and his sidekick Mona Lisa Vito and it was Mona Lisa who said........That Dan guy ain't too smart, trying to blow that note by as something original from back then.

Some foam chipping in between rain as hurricane somebody or other is approaching.
This is low on the list but i wanted to clear up on the stringers with some pictures.
The wide part of the outboard stringer that flexes has a sawzall blade resting on it
The narrow part of the outboard stringer is pretty tough.
The inner to outer srringer tie-ins have some flex as well.
The front floor will have to be cut out but for now you can see how it was constructed from 1 inch foam sheet cut in strips (why ? Who the F knows) the hole in the drivers floor with the sawzall blade sticking up was the hole drilled in the video. How water got there and the void was dry as far as i can see into it is any body's guess but 100 percent the foam under it will be soaked.
Also there is a sawzall blade and an awl pointing at a gap in the floor that they filled with a tube of silicone, setting industry standards i'll tell ya. And how does foam not touch the bottom in the rear under the gas tank, frickin aqua fir down there.

(I'll edit and number the pictures to align with the text)

Here's a sentence from your PN update thread that didn't make it to CCF yet 

I'll eat my words and clear this up best i can.
The wide portion of the outbaord stringer are only a few layers thick and it flexes in the video.
When i cut the rest of the floor out and remove the foam it should be easier to see that.
The inner stringers are for sure going to be pretty strong.

The front part of the floor is or looks like 1 inch core cell wirh some fiberglass on it.
I'll add a picture.
They drilled and filled the front floor, hence all the voids and gallons of standing water.

The rear floor is foam filled sanded( nowhere near flat) and covered with fiberglass

The foam is really for NVH but it is totally relied on structurally for the floor, not the whole boat.

It's a safe bet the hull and deck are laid up real good and are strong on there own.
The hull would probably work without stringers and floors but not that great.

My bet and who cares would be theres a void by a bad foam pour in the stringers before assembly which allowed the flex or the water froze, expanded and popped the glass off the foam allowing flex and more room for more water.

Again, i'll eat my words but not about assembly, it's where it all goes down hill.

Which wraps this up;
When i bought this boat it was without the upper sections of the interior parts and upholstery and I had somewhat of a plan as to the finish. It was luck of the draw i called jeff and he again advised me to call sandra about those pieces.
Theres no way this boat could come back to original nick without a very large sum of money.

Second, theres no way i could install the complete set of new skins sandra so generously offered me at the level they should be fitted. The fiberglass and roto molded bottom parts of the interior that were covered in carpet and came with the boat are rough to say the least, gel and sea dek would be an easier fix than carpet and upholstery which i suck at and would screw it all up.

Is the whole thing a bust i don't know but it's disappointing to find it so full of water.
Every screw and bolt hole into the stringers floor and transom must've ran like niagra falls.

There is no story or reason to justify it being waterlooged period.
It was sunk, nope the brochure brags about superior construction
It was a hot tub, nope the brochure brags about superior design and construction methods that are above industry standards.
It was abandoned and uncovered in a field for 20 years, nope these boats were made from ame 5000 resin WOW !!!! and the brochure goes on about the genious and legacy from which these boats have spawn.

Look at that, you're softening up a little already, next thing you know you'll be popping the top cap off to show how good or badly they installed that at the factory.

Alright Dano...................you need an intervention already or what?

Plans are evolving right now and theres not much of a rush. For example the 1984 nautique is staying put and the 96 is getting de-foamed. Yep 2 ski boats 2 rebuilds. Keep an out for a donor engine and trans boat.

Today the 84 got powerwashed in the bilge and the cushions have been disassembled and inside the house all week, they are for sure dry and ready to get bagged up and stored in the boat with the boat covered.

my powerwasher died and i picked up the tiny one from lowes, it's compact light and it made fast work de greasing the bilge. For 89 bucks and a 30 day return it's worth a try if you need one and don't have the room for or want to spend big bucks. Hope it lasts 8 years like the sunjo did

Thanks keno,
No doubt someone has been inside of these things.
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Out there drippin, 3 days now. I like this hull so i'm moving forward and starting to work up a plan.

start by cleanly cutting out the battery box / cooler assembly so it can be reused.
probobly have to cut a rectangle hatch out of the floor under the observer seat and forward a bit, if needed for foam removal.
(it's some kind of cored panel but i don't know how far forward it goes) and re use it.

i layed out the floor under the gas tank and rear seat, those areas plus a few inches either side will stay intact. Everywhere else between the back seat and tank
and from the tank to transom will come out for foam removal and access to the thru hull nut and bolts that always leak.
those removed sections will not go back in.

the floor from the back seat to the front floor cored/panel will come out for foam removal, i'm hoping it will give me enough room to de foam.
this area is approx 22 inches by 58 inches so 1 sheet of airex core cell 3/4 will cover the rebuild.

I would prefer to not cut it open but the boat is disassembled now.
If anybody has been inside of a 96 nautique and can shed some light on an approach to cutting i'd appreciate the info.
I can see the outboard stringer by looking down into the air box hopefully that will help with layout and cutting which will go slow so the
composite stringers don't get wacked

The engine mount width is essentially the same between the 2 stringer/cradle configurations, which was on purpose. (Ford) powertrains interchange without a problem. Rear mount height should be matched to the transmission being used but cradle will accomodate either set up.

Edit in ; yes i see the height difference on the mounts thank you. Pedestal looks the same, problem is pedestal overhang/ overall width. Unless i glossed over and missed 2 different pedestals, nothing that cant be remedied. Unless cost for new is way over the rainbow.
Thanks keno

Width bolt holes pedestal into cradle on 84 and 96; 21 1/2 inches
Elevation bottom to pedestal mount surface (cradle); 84, 6 front, 5 1/2 rear
                                                                                               96, 5 front, 4 1/2 rear.
Width of cradle; 84, 24 inches but engine is on top of cradle and pedestals hang over 5/8 each side.
Width of cradle; 96, 30 inches but engine is inside cradle on angle who's width is 24 1/2 at best.
Stringer width on 84 is 21 1/2 which is centerline the vertical mounting bolts (lags on the 84 into the stringers.
It's close and most likely being overthought again again.