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    Posted: July-07-2012 at 1:07am
General question here concerning standard pylon as mounted in 73 Martinique.

We have owned this boat for about 3 years, and it serves us well and runs very well. Recently while cleaning the boat after a weekend skiing, we noticed the trim ring around the pylon where it goes through the floor/carpet was loose. The screws securing the trim ring to the floor through the carpet had the heads bent. I was impressed that the stainless screws were solidly enough in the floor that the heads bent while the rest of the screw was still straight, but also surprised as this seems to indicate movement beyond anything we've noticed before, and I was not thinking of this trim ring as a load bearing component.

We removed the screws on that trim ring, opened the engine cover and moved the battery cover to inspect the pylon mounting. Under the floor, the pylon is mounted to a metal bar spanning the space between the stringers, and the pylon shaft appears to be fitted over a brass foot in the bottom of the hull. With one person pulling the pylon toward the rear of the boat, the metal bar can be seen to flex, though no movement can be felt at any of the bolted attachments..seems to be primarily flexing of the cross bar between the stringers rather than movement in any of the bolted attachments(apparently little to no movement from loose bolts either metal to metal or metal brackets to stringers.
Movement can be felt between the bottom of the pylon shaft and the brass fitting glassed into the bottom of the boat, though I am unsure whether that movement is between the pylon and the brass foot, or between the brass foot and the glass bottom of the hull.

Does this sound like what you would expect?

How much movement is expected or acceptable?

Is the floor a structural component of the mount?

What inspection, disassembly or reinforcement is recommended?

Does anyone have any photos or a diagram of how this should all be fitted together?

Thanks for any guidance.

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I don't know enough to know enough, but in my 1st generation nautique, the pylon is supported by a 2x sitting in the top of the stringers, the pylon sits on a plate fiberglassed to the hull--which I reglassed a few years ago. The pylon has always had some play where it sits on the base.

Someone a long time ago on the site (david f?) suggested waxing the peg and them epoxing the base, then setting it on the base to tighten it up. That I have not done.

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Something is definitely wrong, the pylon should be rock solid. Maybe the cradle has a crack in it. Mine took a big impact from a boat collision & never yielded.

For this summer, I would epoxy in some temporary support to the floor (band-aid) & then tear into it in the off season.
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It could be as simple as wear in the pin between the clevis mounted to the hull and the pylon. I just replaced the 1/2" brass pin in our 68 Skylark, it was worn over .080. Not bad for 44 years! I also changed the trim ring from the 3/32 plate to a 1/4" plate with an o-ring mounted in it to absorb any play that may be in the pylon. The trim ring mounted to the floor and into 2xs below.

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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

Something is definitely wrong, the pylon should be rock solid. Maybe the cradle has a crack in it. Mine took a big impact from a boat collision & never yielded.

There is no cradle in a '73 Martinique. CC didnt start using cradles until 1980 in the Ski Nautique. Most models had them by the mid 80's.

I have not found any other metal pylon supports on the boats Ive torn into. The only thing holding them in is the bolt at the cup in the hull. The floor provides some support, but that metal trim ring used in the 60's and early 70's is not structural. A little bit of slop in the pylon seems pretty normal to me- it will only be as tight as the hole in the floor where it passes through. It wasnt until ~1976 that CC started putting flanges for the pylon to bolt/sandwich the floor for extra reinforcement.
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Originally posted by Curtis.Stanley Curtis.Stanley wrote:

General question here concerning standard pylon as mounted in 73 Martinique.

We have owned this boat for about 3 years, and it serves us well and runs very well. Recently while cleaning the boat after a weekend skiing, we noticed the trim ring around the pylon where it goes through the floor/carpet was loose. The screws securing the trim ring to the floor through the carpet had the heads bent. I was impressed that the stainless screws were solidly enough in the floor that the heads bent while the rest of the screw was still straight, but also surprised as this seems to indicate movement beyond anything we've noticed before, and I was not thinking of this trim ring as a load bearing component.

We removed the screws on that trim ring, opened the engine cover and moved the battery cover to inspect the pylon mounting. Under the floor, the pylon is mounted to a metal bar spanning the space between the stringers, and the pylon shaft appears to be fitted over a brass foot in the bottom of the hull. With one person pulling the pylon toward the rear of the boat, the metal bar can be seen to flex, though no movement can be felt at any of the bolted attachments..seems to be primarily flexing of the cross bar between the stringers rather than movement in any of the bolted attachments(apparently little to no movement from loose bolts either metal to metal or metal brackets to stringers.
Movement can be felt between the bottom of the pylon shaft and the brass fitting glassed into the bottom of the boat, though I am unsure whether that movement is between the pylon and the brass foot, or between the brass foot and the glass bottom of the hull.

Does this sound like what you would expect?

How much movement is expected or acceptable?

Is the floor a structural component of the mount?

What inspection, disassembly or reinforcement is recommended?

Does anyone have any photos or a diagram of how this should all be fitted together?

Thanks for any guidance.

Curtis


I've got a 75 Southwind and the battery is under the back seat.
The battery in a 73 Martinique is near the pylon? Interesting....

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