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Not very familiar with Correct Crafts but here is my question . Read somewhere that the 2001 model throws a good wake for wakeboarding . Then the discussion went on to say that for a 3 to 4 year span , it was exceptional . Does anyone know what model years these were ??
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82-89. All 2001 models have good wakeboard wakes.
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Jeff welcome to the site. from my understanding the 2001 hulls were all the same, but the decks changed. I don't know the years but at some point they moved the windshield/dash forward creating a little more room but which would have made subtle changes to the wake characteristics with the weight further forward. In 89 they went to single exhaust (quieter, but lost that great rumble) and the 1.23:1 tranny instead of the 1:1
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2001's have a great wake shape for boarding that only gets better with weight. in 87 they moved the dash forward for interior space which makes for a little more forward weight of the hull. Best setup for a 2001 is tubes on either side of the engine box. If you have weight to far back in the boat the wake gets very steep and peaky(you kind of just blow through it instead of ramping up it). I do not board but I pull some friends who enjoy it but they have the stigma in their head that is isn't a "wake boat". They are both very good wake boarders and I haven't seen them not be able to complete a trick behind my boat. They can throw the tricks higher and wider on bigger boats but you wont be disappointed with a 2001 with some weight.

The 2001 hull shape is very similar to the older and newer model 210's which are very highly regarded wake boats.
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Trying to do some investigating but majorly computer challenged over here . Snobsessed - Was the 2001 model only made between 1982 - 1989 ?? Or were those the years for REALLY good wakes ??
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Originally posted by Faceplant Faceplant wrote:

Trying to do some investigating but majorly computer challenged over here . Snobsessed - Was the 2001 model only made between 1982 - 1989 ?? Or were those the years for REALLY good wakes ??


Correct that model ran from 82-89.
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Originally posted by Faceplant Faceplant wrote:

Not very familiar with Correct Crafts but here is my question . Read somewhere that the 2001 model throws a good wake for wakeboarding . Then the discussion went on to say that for a 3 to 4 year span , it was exceptional . Does anyone know what model years these were ??
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Well, the first generation Air Nautique (Correct Craft's first dedicated wakeboard boat I believe) had a hull that is almost identical to the 2001 hull.

I think that pretty much says it all.

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I bought my 1985 SN 2001 because I heard it has a "world class" wake for wakeboarding. We are pretty satified plus we own a head turning classic and what amounts to a low cost, kick a@# wakeboard boat. I bought a Flight Pipe extended pylon (found one on craigslist). It clamps on to the stock pylon so I did not have to remove or disturb the iconic ski ring on the factory pylon. We may get a tower for the boat some day but for now, the Flight Pipe fits the bill. Will be adding some ballast next season.....my kids are improving quickly and we load up the back with their buds who are eager for a boat ride and to see some big air tricks! Adding some weight makes HUGE difference. Have fun, good luck and go BIG!
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I have 1979 Ski Supreme . It has a 351 PCM engine . Added a Fly High pole . I have about 400 lbs of ballast with an ok wake in my opinion . If I add 400 more lbs for an even better wake , speed will fluctuate a lot . Obviously if speed is fluctuating between 18 - 24 mph , it is very hard to get consistant air because you never know how to time it . I LOVE the boat - but NOT inconsistency of it . Looking for a 2001 because I hear that they just have a naturally better wake for wakeboarding even before adding ballast .
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Originally posted by P71_CrownVic P71_CrownVic wrote:

Originally posted by Faceplant Faceplant wrote:

Not very familiar with Correct Crafts but here is my question . Read somewhere that the 2001 model throws a good wake for wakeboarding . Then the discussion went on to say that for a 3 to 4 year span , it was exceptional . Does anyone know what model years these were ??
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Well, the first generation Air Nautique (Correct Craft's first dedicated wakeboard boat I believe) had a hull that is almost identical to the 2001 hull.

As evidenced in the picture, there are some familial FEATURES on the Super Sport /Super Air that are similar to those on the 2001. But to say the hulls are identical is a real stretch. The hull was largely based on the DD Sport, which in turn was a stretched version of the NWZ, which was one hull generation removed from the 2001. I'd say they are distant cousins.

Faceplant, while completely unrelated to the better wake you're seeking, that speed holding problem you're having is almost certainly a prop issue- you'd benefit from a modern prop with less pitch.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by P71_CrownVic P71_CrownVic wrote:


Well, the first generation Air Nautique (Correct Craft's first dedicated wakeboard boat I believe) had a hull that is almost identical to the 2001 hull.

But to say the hulls are identical is a real stretch. I'd say they are distant cousins.

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to correct this erroneous statement.
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Is there a preferred prop pitch that will be good for wakeboarding and slaloming ? I am kind of clueless to this . Also , if you had a 2001 and a regular Ski Supreme both weighed down with about 800 lbs of ballast , approximately how much of a difference would there be in wake size ? Would like a better wake but just weighing the pros and cons of selling my boat and buying a 2001 . Like I said in an earlier post , love my boat but might have to be " OFF WITH THE HEAD ". LOL .
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Prop pitch is both science & art - to quote JallyJames "Far too little data to give any concept of what the problem could be......"   We would need to know HP & transmission ratio, what prop you have now, RPM & speed at wide open throttle to make a recommendation.

As far as whether it is worth selling your Ski Supreme to get a better wake,that is a judgement call.   I recommend you find someone in your area with a 2001 & buy them some gas to take you boarding. Possibly someone on this site is nearby.
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It isn't about the size of the wake it's about the shape of the wake. The 2001 hull produces a very nicely shaped wake with a perfect lip.

I had to make my buddy believe that who has a lx response with a wake wedge. My boat shoots him sky hi with no weight VS his Malibu loaded up with weight and people with the wedge down.

The Supreme is much more a flat bottom ski boat therefore probably will not produce the same pop off the wake when you want to get some air. The 2001 is notorious for not having the best slalom wake though. The bump will get you.
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phatsat67 - you all but summed it up for me . THANK YOU .
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I have an 81 ski nautique and having a lot of trouble getting a wider wake. The wake has a lot of pop and is steep but its hard to clear wake to wake. What is the difference between the 81 and an 82-89 wake? Would I notice a big difference if I sold my 81 and bought a 2001 model?
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Originally posted by komandante komandante wrote:

I have an 81 ski nautique and having a lot of trouble getting a wider wake. The wake has a lot of pop and is steep but its hard to clear wake to wake.


Ummmmm, your statement is contradiciting itself ...

You want a wider wake but it's hard to clear wake to wake with the 81?
If you are having a hard time clearing the wake then you need to shorten the length, step up the speed on the boat, or cut harder into the wake. Edging thru and up the ramp gets you the pop/height you need without losing speed.

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my wake is really steep and rampy. launches you straight up. Need to be running about 25-30 miles per hour to clear wake to wake with a hard cut into the wake. I just got 4 fat sacs but have never used them before. Planning on trying them out tomorrow morning. 2 side sacks at 260 lbs and 2 fat bricks at 155 lbs each. Will 820 lbs be too much weight we will have 3 200 lb guys in there too.   Also, how far up should I put the side sacs for the best wake.
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Do you have a tower ? In my 79 Ski Supreme with about 400 lbs ballast and only my girlfriend as a driver ( bad bad me - but I live in the boonies so no one around here to observe ) home made pole and 22 mph , I can clear the wake with about 5 - 10 feet to spare . I like it but very seldom do I get that POP feeling that is associated with the 2001 model . I kind of wonder if I got the POP feeling , would I still get the same distance or just more height . I'm 49 so I'm never going to be doing any flips or anything like that - just want more air and preferably more distance . LOVE that air time    !!!!!! LOL .
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There is a wider wake a few feet behind you. Try lengthening the rope. I think most wakeboarders use a full '75 line.
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I installed a big air h2o tower earlier this year. I am using a 75 ft line. I will see what impact the two 260 lbs fat sacks have on the wake. what is the difference between the 2001 hull wake and an 81 ski nautique wake.
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Originally posted by komandante komandante wrote:

I installed a big air h2o tower earlier this year. I am using a 75 ft line. I will see what impact the two 260 lbs fat sacks have on the wake. what is the difference between the 2001 hull wake and an 81 Ski Nautique wake.


The 81 would be the generation prior to the 2001 hull. I may be reaching a bit but I think that wakeboarders generally prefer the 2001 hulls more than the older Ski Nautique models. However, I don't know if the difference would be noticeable by most. The older models have a very flat hull, where wakeboarders need a more v-shaped hull for really big, firm wakes.

Thanks for confirming you are using a full '75 line. I'm surprised you think the wake is too narrow back there, but it has been a long time since I skied behind a 2001 model. I think you are doing the right things with the fat sacks. If those don't create the desired results, you may need to move forward a few years in the 90's when wake board-specific hulls started to be made.

Let us know how the extra weight helps. Note that I believe the right config for the sacks is beside the engine. Don't just put it all in the back.
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Originally posted by KRoundy KRoundy wrote:

   The older models have a very flat hull, where wakeboarders need a more v-shaped hull for really big, firm wakes.


This isn't necessarily true either. The BFN has a deep vee but it isn't near as good for boarding than a 2001 hull. Even the Super Air and Sport/Air hulls are much less of a vee and flat at the stern.

The Pre-2001 hulls have a narrower wake because the overall beam is narrower, especially at the stern. You can still get a pretty good wake with a pre '82 2001 hull but it will definitely be steeper. You have to have good edge control coming in and stiff knees to "control" the pop. Even 2001 hulls weighted with a lot of ballast the wake gets very steep and likes to boot you straight up. It's still one of my favorite boarding wakes. Playing with line-length will also get different results in wake shape. The further back you go it will be more manageable. 75' is really nice with about 1500 lbs of ballast on a 2001 hull.
   Even the NWZ hulls '90-96 have a pretty nice wake with 1200-1500 lbs. I'm anxious to see how the wakeboarding wake will be on my '02 but I'm guessing it will be marginal at best. Haven't boarded behind it yet, and I've been having too much fun on the slalom to even care!
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I Tried my 81 nautique out yesterday with 520 lbs of ballas and 3 200 lb guys so about 1150 lbs with 4th guy wakeboarding. Took longer to plain out Wake was a lot bigger. Pretty steep and booted you straight up. It was easy to clear wake to wake now with lots of pop. Also ton of fun on a wake skate.   Can't wait to get out again! Next weekend I will add the two 120 lb fat bricks.
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Originally posted by granitesn granitesn wrote:

...a Flight Pipe extended pylon ...we load up the back with their buds...


OK, I am *not* trying to be a party pooper here... just commenting/asking.

Is it a good idea to have passengers aft of an extended pylon? My sister has a client in Minnesota who's daughter was killed when the strap and pylon failed. I don't know what boat or what model pylon, but the physics is pretty much the same (although maybe not the engineering and maintenance).

I eventually plan to add a wake tower to our SN, and once I am comfortable with its strength, I plan to allow passengers on the aft seat. We see ski and boarding teams doing this all the time. The mounting of a tower seems much stronger than the strap to the front on an extended pylon (the factory pylon itself is incredibly strong).

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I was in a boat accident in which the other guy came up & over the bow & hit the extended pylon. The impact bent the extended pylon about 20 degrees. The strap & cable held (in fact saved my life as I was underneath it all). The factory pylon was undamaged & is still solid as a rock.

As long as you use the proper strap & have a 2 cable pylon properly adjusted, I think you are safe to have passengers in rear seat.

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The further forward you put your weight the more rampy and less peaky the wake will be, the further back you put it the more peaky, steep and brick wall like the wake becomes. I've been messing with this all summer long in my 87 sn2001, what works for us is two 400 pound fatsacs directly beside the motor box and 200 pounds under the bow with 2 passengers + driver sitting in the front. This is the closest to an unweighted super air wake we could get, albeit a lot narrower and let me tell you it's KILLER. $40K wake for under 10 grand, you can't beat that. As for pop, pop has more to do with your riding than the wake. I know people I think could backroll off an open bow bayliner wake. haha It's all in the technique!
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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

As long as you use the proper strap & have a 2 cable pylon properly adjusted, I think you are safe to have passengers in rear seat.


2 vs. 1 is irrelevant without knowing the cable thickness(es). In fact most 2 cable booms and extended pylons I see are so improperly adjusted that they are relying on 1 skinny cable all the time. Once that fails the second isn't far behind. One could argue a 1 cable setup is better. Either way, proper adjustmet is key and strong enough is strong enough.

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