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JPASS
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Greenhulk is an awesome site for the bigger "couch" jetskis. Hit up x-h20 for anything standup, blaster, or X2. Both great sites and very helpful when we used to have our skis. |
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SNobsessed
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Not sure yet, wife is just startintg to plan my summer
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“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
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Frankenotter
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Are you going to be at Green Lake this year Chris?
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SNobsessed
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Greenhulk is PWC's version of CCF - lots of handy information. It is like a parallel universe with similar characters, for sure. Don't worry, Team Red is a CCF exclusive! The SN is getting used less & less, as i have figured out that wakeboarding is the cause of my summer backaches. My wife still likes to board. My son has dibs on it, if he wants it, down the road - so no plans to list it as of now. |
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JPASS
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That's pretty rich coming from the jetski forum. It's usually these schmucks who are right on your a$$ trying to jump your wake. Thanks God liquid popo is pretty relentless on the jetskiers on the lake we frequent.
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Morfoot
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Hanging out on the Jetski forums these days Chris ? That's where it starts....first the forums.....then a project Jon boat, then the 89 goes up for sale! |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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skutsch
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HILARIOUS! Probably a mutual dislike of tubers too...
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td_in_nc
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I can only image what one would find about us "A holes with ski boats" on the fishing forums.
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phatsat67
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Lol
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SNobsessed
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I ran across this post on a JetSki forum & got a big kick out of it, so I though you guys would too.
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AAM196
Gold Member Joined: October-23-2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 846 |
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Paul, you had it baccards! Boat in the rain, sick on dock and drink during the sun when at DCL. Those guys can really bring out the worst in us! Reading over my post I sure do sound like a complainer but that lake REALLY got out of control when they completed 68 to DC. The people there are of a different breed they feel they are better than everyone and feel the guy with the most expensive boat pulling the most tubes gets right of way always. By the way... the Ohio River was flat as a sheet of glass all day yesterday! |
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gun-driver
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I'm down at Andy's lake now got here Wednesday night rained all day Thursday. Friday the sun comes out around noon we splash the boat head out for a cruise.
Find a nice cove shielded from the light wind, maybe saw 10 boats out on the way. Get set to put the 3 year old on the trainer in comes a MC pulling 2 tubes comes all the way to the end does the hard 90* turn and zig zags all the way back out!!!! WTF the rest of the lake was empty, some fricken a$$holes just need shot!!! PS; I think Andy hit the quote key instead of the apostrophe for feet the rule at DCL is, Vessels may not be operated at a speed in excess of (3 knots) (minimum wake) within 100 ft. of the shoreline anywhere on the lake, except that a person may tow a skier from a dock or shore and then immediately exit the restricted area. But that doesn't get followed buy the tourons very often |
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mtguy
Senior Member Joined: August-04-2008 Location: Priest Lake, ID Status: Offline Points: 165 |
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Here in good ol Ideeho it is 200' form docks and shorelines...100' from boats if going more than 15 mph (50' if less than 15mph), so definitely a good idea to check local boating laws.
Guess we're fortunate as our favorite line is about 50 turns, then a 90 degree turn down end of bay and another 20 or so turns, before my back and arms blow up! Can't always get it due to wind or knuckleheads, but nice when we do. Hand signals are a great idea to coordinate with your boat. When driver wants to turn or there's something that needs attention of skier, we hold arm straight in air. My wife and I ski alone a lot (not necessarily legal here) so besides mirror we have voice signals... One last point made above somewhere, is what is with the power turns when a skier drops off? Shut throttle down and slowly putt back to skier and you'll preserve your water much longer. We all know our boats can turn on a dime... Damn, supposed to be 25 degrees tonight...time to throw on the shorty wet suit tomorrow! |
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Dreaming
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Thanks Skutch, I'll definitely look into the driving course for both my wife and I. A day on the water is fun, but with no practical experience, I know that there are areas of learning that I still need. USAWS seems like a great place to get an education, I am glad that they hook you up with a practical test with a qualified driver.
AAM - thanks for the "line" info I'll be seeking out some training before I get steeped in bad driving habits. yes, 100' makes sense, tubes/skiers/wakeboarders and docks don't mix well |
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AAM196
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yeah... I guess I got a little worked up there too!
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Hollywood
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Check your math. 20' is farther away than 100".
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AAM196
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Good etiquette is more related to being courteous vs being safe. You can have one without the other.
Kris makes good point... I'm sure if you ask the 16 yr old driving beside you texting on their phone if that is safe she would say hell no and keep on texting. So no... that little card her daddy bought doesn't make her a good or safe driver. Kris also makes good point that learning from an advanced skier/driver is always the best way and the links Steve posted are great. Ernest, I like your style... when everyone in the boat is one the same page EVERYONE wins... Kris, As far as "line" goes for me... I'd find a nice area say for slalom runs where I can get 6 turns in maybe a few sets of 6 turns etc and have driver make turns at end and get back inside wake on the return pass and follow the prop trail. Runs will be straight, predictable for all parties... driver, skier, observer, other boats etc. Simple hand signals everyone agrees or knows, done, faster, slower, skier ok hand in air after a fall are all I use. My 4 yr old knows them so it is supper easy. So some thing are common sense, some are best picked up from others. There is a law keep 100" off dock... why does this even need to be written. Why do people still pull their kids on tubes 20' away from other docks and boats? |
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skutsch
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Might want to look into signing up for one of these then: Trained Boat Driver Course or NSSA Tested Driver |
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Dreaming
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WA requires it, but I didn't feel it was effective in the least... I have taken the "safety course", but already knew that lifejackets were a requirement, and that carbon monoxide will kill you. What I wanted to know was more the what's a good line, how do I get a skier out of the water effectively as a driver, hand signals etc. Our course was much more of an open water navigation type course that showed which side of the buoy to stay on, and that you shouldn't drink and boat. I feel that I can boat safely enough, but I really do think that boating with others that are more experienced will teach me more than the online testing. |
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emccallum
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Our lake is 71,000 acres and over 1,200 miles of shoreline.....sometimes I have to ride over ten minutes to find flat water!
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74Wind
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75 Tique: wow, a 250 acre lake??
The lake I grew up on (Keuka Lake NY) is 12,000 acres. Our current lake (Lake Oconee,GA) is 19,000 acres. In 40 years of boating and skiing I can't recall any real issues worth mentioning on either lake. But, of course, I don't own either one, and it is a free country. I guess I'm just lucky to have spent most of my life on lakes with little or no traffic or competitive activity angst. Yikes. Such hostility. Repeat after me...Goosfraba..... |
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rosconole
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SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF YOU GUYS NEED TO PUT YOUR BIG BOY PANTS ON AND FIND ANOTHER LAKE.
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AAM196
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Drivers licenses are not given to ensure we have safe law abiding drivers. They are for generating revenue. I'd hate to see more of this especially in the boating world.
I also have no idea how more tubers and ignorant boaters can help waterskiing! A fisherman is not going to bitch about water skiers that are not there. Our lake has a law of no PWC on weekends and holidays between 11am and 4pm because it was down right dangerous. There were to many of them... people got hurt. Not because there weren't enough people buzzing docks and boats at 60mph whipping 180s infront of oncoming boats. And no... the flat water isn't just for the slalom skiers.. it is also fir barefooters. |
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boardersdad
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I would've preferred it was required of everyone. But I also want to see ongoing (automobile) driver's tests, something like every 5 or 10 years until you're 60, then every 4 years until 72, then every two years, and every year after 80. Also every year for kids until they are about 24 or so. That would save a lot of lives. The cost? Too bad, it's a privilege, not a right. |
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Hollywood
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Yea you and everyone else over 24 years old. |
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boardersdad
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The course is required in Wisconsin, and we have the option of the state DNR class or the federal USCG class. I was grandfathered in, but back when my daughter was about 11 years old, I attended the USCG class with her. What a great class! We boat some federal waters (Mississippi River, Lake Michigan), so the federal class made more sense for us. It covered everything the state class does, plus a lot of federal regs. I think everyone should take a boating safety class. Funny, though, I must've napped through the part where they said the flat water belongs to the slalomers.
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td_in_nc
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I am amazed that some states, including mine -NC, do not require a safety course to drive a boat. But even more amazing is that as a new boat owner you would not take a boaters safety course even if your state does not require it. In the one I took it did explain some basic boating rules in terms who has right of way.
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emccallum
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A bit off the topic...One of my favorite things to teach new skiers is about what to do in the boat. Driver and riders.
When my kids were little and started skiing, my goal was to be able get in the driver seat and pull numerous kids and never have to get out of the seat! With a bimini top, and a couple of waters I can pull kids all day, and have a great time. I will on occasion shorten a line or get up to teach something, but most of my time I am just driving and watching. They can get there own ski, handle, etc. We do a lot of pull outs when a skier is tired or needs a rope shorter. Boat turns a little left, skier pulls hard to right and holds the handle, boat slows and turns towards skier. We ski the same on the lake as we do the course. Actually a bit easier with a MC (b/c it backs starboard) but not enough to buy one! We use hand signals and we know what to expect of each other. It takes time for kids to learn, but it is so much more efficient, safe and pleasant than the typical cluster *** I see. My kids are 18,16,and 10. They act safely on the boat b/c that is the only way they know. I think people would have a lot more fun on the water, if they had learned some basics about skiing/driving. Maybe someone could write a book/video and it could be included with every boat purchase! |
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Dreaming
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I guess I'll out my own self here.... Lots of "rules" that have come up that I hadn't really considered before. I didn't grow up around boats, but took every opportunity offered to jump in behind one, so now that I am an owner, and going out with my own family to ski and wakeboard, I realize that there is a ton of stuff that I need to learn, on the ramp and in the water. I like the approach that some of you have taken to get kids/learners out behind your boats, and to educate the others on what is the proper/expected behavior. Not only does this approach keep the sport alive, but accomplishes the intended goal of a better boating experience for all involved. I am sure that not all people are willing to learn, or hear that they messed up somehow, but I think it's worth the shot to try kindly to educate those who do want to learn.
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Hansel
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Steve and HW, as far as I can tell there is relatively little published research on the effects of boating and lake biology. What little there is focuses on prop strikes, invasive species transport, and to a lesser extent wave action/stirring up the water & lake bottom. I will ask some of my lake friends next time I see them about your idea, it really isn't half bad though it would probably have to be expanded in scope a bit. The real question is do you really want to know the answer (e.g. what if you found out that boats were really bad for lakes...).
I almost forgot another recent gripe of mine! A couple weeks ago I was footing and since I still don't have a BF suit I use a kneeboard from longline to get up. After crossing most of the lake we returned to where I had started and for the first time ever the thing was missing. I had noticed a couple other fishing style boats with what looked like teenagers riding around in that area, so I got back in the boat as fast as I could and had my brother chase down the one I thought had likely taken it. We reached him just before he got to his dock and asked him if he had our board. I give him credit for giving it back, but I am 95% sure that if he had made it to shore I never would have seen that thing again. In all the dozens, if not hundreds, of times over the last 15 years that I or somebody else have dropped skis, etc. (carefully on the edge I might add) on the lake that was the first time I've ever seen anybody try to make off with it. Boy was I glad to get that thing back! |
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