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EJ OJPROP who works for OJ said "We supplied Brendella with 14 X 16's as original equipment with that ratio. I would offer a 13.7 X 15.5 XMP for that set up"

Do you think the 4 blade 13.5x14.25 is a poor choice? I should have it Friday. I ordered a prop pulling kit and the 1793 Monday. I ordered it new from acme so I can return and exchange till I get the one I like. Can you explain the logic between the 3-4 blade prop choice. I understand how size and pitch affect I don't understand how the extra blade affects everything?
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The oddball combination I was referring to was the mix of the RH rotation engine and the 1.23 trans in a direct drive. Correct Craft started using the transmission (which obviously reverses the direction of engine rotation) so that they could start using LH engines and still turn the desired RH prop. LH (standard rotation) engines are cheaper to build and have more parts readily available for them- its more of a PITA to build a righty, but CC did that just about exclusively prior to 1989, just so they could keep their RH prop. What Im saying is that either that engine and tranny is a non-original combination, or Brendella went through all the trouble of sourcing a RH engine and failed to reap the benefits by matching it to a LH prop. Backwards logic... follow me?

The 13x12 and 13x11.5 Acmes (540/541, 542/543) are great ski boat props... for 1:1 boats. They are way too small for a gear reduction powertrain like your 1.23. All of the Ski Nautiques that are of similar size and weight as your Brendella (1989-2009) used 13x16 props with that transmission (replaced by 12.5x15.5 Acmes in 2001). Its no wonder it has a ridiculous holeshot and overturns (speed vs. RPM) by 1k RPM- it has 4" less pitch than it should for good all around performance. Thats a lot.

4200-4600 is a very conservative RPM being supplied by the builder. The stock engine is generally spec'd at 4400, and Ive found it runs best if propped to turn 4400-4600. By raising compression and flow to the tune of 60 extra hp, the RPM at which peak hp occurs surely moved up, probably to the 5k RPM range. Tough to be sure without info on the heads, cam or intake, but thats probably a pretty safe target to shoot for. The bottom end of any old 351w is plenty strong for 5500rpm, so the extra revs wouldnt bother me a bit. I would try the Acme 1443 (13.25x15) as a starting point if youre buying new.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

[QUOTE=svxwilson]The correctcraft forum doesn't have nearly the amount of helpful people either. I have tried both.

Well thats certainly not going to make you many friends here.



I was frustrated i apologize. I will repost on that mastercraft forum my apology Was not trying to piss anyone off I posted here and people basically told me to find another forum. Got no help. I know I have a low production boat. I have had a hard time finding info on it. But thank YOU for your reply. Yes I have a reverse motor with a 1.23/1pcm and a left hand prop. I do not know enough about Ski Brendella to tell you if that was the original config or not. But it's what I am working with.

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I reused the holly carb and intake from old engine. The engine builders had to search for the reverse parts because they are harder to find.

I talked with Greg at ACME and he recommended a 4 blade 13.5x14.25 model 1793. So I ordered that, he was convincing about their customer service that they would exchange until I found the prop that works best with my boat.

I know 50mph is something I won't get to. But close is what I am aiming for. I do mostly slalom skiing and cruising up and down a very large lake. So lower rpm at higher speed is the desired result.

I have never been pulled out of the water as fast as it can do right now with the current prop ACME 543. But 4000rpm was 31-32 mph. I never took it to wot with that prop and current engine only had it out once after install so I was breaking it in and I wasn't sure if wot would be a good idea first break in trip out. The engine builders said the desired rpm was 4200 and not to exceed 4600.

Once again thank you for your help. I will happily listen to anything you have to say or recommend. If there is a better forum for my peticular brand boat then let me know.
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Originally posted by svxwilson svxwilson wrote:

The correctcraft forum doesn't have nearly the amount of helpful people either. I have tried both.

Well thats certainly not going to make you many friends here.

You seem to have a very oddball combination if I understand you correctly- a reverse rotation (RH) engine combined with a 1.23 tranny and a LH prop. Is that correct? I am not sure why anyone would have gone to all the trouble of building a reverse rotation motor if they were going to go with the less desireable LH prop in the end. The whole reason CC went to the 1.23 was so that they could use a standard rotation (LH) engine and still keep the RH prop.

Regardless, you need a prop in the 13x16 range. If you needed a RH prop, the Acme model numbers I would suggest would be 422, 1442 or 470. You might try the LH version of one of those to start, and then come back with your testing results to see if you need to go larger or smaller. A 13x12 is just way too far off to get an accurate baseline.

If you describe your engine configuration (modifications?) in more detail, we could perhaps figure out what WOT RPM you should be targeting with your prop choice. The 50mph mark can be a tough one to take down.
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Billings area. Wish I was in the flathead area.
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Ski Nautique boats have had the 1.23/1 transmission since the late '80s.

Where about in Montana are you located? I have a ton of relatives that live in the Flathead Lake area.
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What ratio is the tranny on the Ski Nautiques?
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What ratio is the tranny on the Ski Nautiques?
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I don't imagine a lot of guys have info on hull performance numbers on this site for that boat. Just as a reference most 240 HP 351W engines in 1982-1988 Ski Nautique 2001's (2400 dry weight) run between 4400 and 4600 RPM with an Acme 540. With an Acme 542 (equivalent opposite rotation to the 543) these boats would run between 4600 and 4800 rpms.

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I am looking for some prop recommendations. I have a freshly rebuilt 351 with 300hp and a 1.23/1 ratio. I currently have a ACME 543 but at 4000rpm I am just barely over 30mph. I want to get a prop that will get me close to 50 for a top end. I mostly slalom ski with it. Boat is a 1991 20ft Ski Brendella super comp.
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