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Orlando76
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They're not his decals. He has customers supply them so I'm willing to bet the decals would be coming from any of the known sites we use. I figured he's worried about ghosting too as am I but he only said it was a concern with the transom decals. Idk, figured I'd ask Joel as he's a few weeks ahead of me on the same project. I seen the detail guys work which looked good and came recommended to me by other ccf members.
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8122pbrainard
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Todd, I'd be curious about why his decals don't match 95% of the time. With a mismatch, I feel he's worried about ghosting that won't come out even with a wet sand. This is a perfect case for a tracing, scanning and cutting the decals. |
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RJ
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Hey Joel! Nice find.
You should stop in sometime as you're headed north. You have to drive right past my place (hwy g just before 7 mile) |
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M3Fan
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The side decals lined up exactly 100% I have heard of the spacing being off on the earlier replacement decals (89-90) but these were dead nuts. I'm super impressed with those decals, whoever was in charge of creating those reproductions is dialed in. They certainly looked newer than NOS. I actually did not replace the black transom decals, they looked fine so I left them.
I love our Thule. It's extremely quiet and holds what seems like an infinite amount of ski gear. We run it all summer on that car, basically. Certainly does take off a few MPG, though! And yes, you do have to get up there. |
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phatsat67
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Orlando76
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Joel, how did your decals match up with the old ones? Mainly the side Ski Nautique decal and the transom "Nautiques, World Championship Towboat". My decal guy ( (subcontranctor for local CC dealer) who's gonna buff the boat out recommends keeping my transom decals since they're 95% good and he claims he hasn't seen a transom decal match up well so far.
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81nautique
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Looks Great Joel, I guess the SN is heavier and sits taller than the MC but worse than that is that car topper! I hate towing with them, even a low profile one like yours can just kill your mileage.
Hope you guys have a great summer, We need to get up there eventually to check your place out and run around those lakes. Some day! |
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M3Fan
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Com'on, brother! You bet. By the time the canopy was on and the boat was tucked under it you couldn't see anything so I decided to go for the skeletal shot. |
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jbear
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awesome...but I gotta ask..there is a cover on the lift...right?
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M3Fan
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Well, this was a big weekend for the '93. Trailered her 300 miles up to the cabin successfully. Never got a chance to change the springs or the tires, so those were a roll of the dice. No problem, though. Trailered like a dream. The super-tall trailer had a huge effect on gas mileage, though. I've never seen my MPG gauge read lower than it did with this rig- ~10MPG with that trailer and the Thule car topper! Yikes! Here she is in her new native habitat (below). And yes- the repaired speedometer works! The boat certainly wasn't quick to warm up with 28F temps the night before and 47F water (I think Beth killed it about 6 times before it would hold idle), but after a few minutes of warmup we were buzzing around the lake happily. Typically we get launched at a resort a few doors down by a tractor that drives into the lake a hundred feet or so, but the tractor battery was dead so the resort owner just took his HD Chevy pickup and drove THAT into door-high water without a care in the world, to launch it. That was pretty impressive/crazy. Wish I had taken a picture. Water was bumper/doorsill high. Real "git 'er done" moment for sure. Then I turned around and hauled the imposter back home for what should be a quick, no negotiation sale. This thing looks like a canoe in my garage compared to the SN, and tows like a feather. Such a tiny rig! Pretty, though, for sure. Great "trailer anywhere" rig. |
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jbear
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just lookin' awesome Joel & fun to follow your pictures
john |
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M3Fan
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Got the other entire side done today. Flew through it vs. the starboard side but that's experience for you.
Thanks to Marty I also got the little details like the ethanol sticker and the the-boat-will-murder-you-the-first-chance-it-gets red warning sticker I also spent an hour scraping the hell out of the underside of the swim platform, again mercilessly drenched in extremely strong wood sealer/varnish/whatever. This took several rounds of full-strength stripper to get through, literally using the whole quart of it plus an orbital for the most stubborn parts. I would be willing to bet that both Pete and Tim felt a disturbance in the force a few years ago when this platform was sealed. "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened." |
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M3Fan
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So, this is interesting. Don't count the eraser wheel out! I started on the decal removal on the other side and though the Singapore decal came right off, the AWSA and PCM foil stickers were again only coming off in dust-sized pieces. Just for the heck of it I threw the eraser wheel into a cordless drill and HOLY cow. No fuss, no muss, it ERADICATED both decals without even the slightest chance of damage to the gel. We're talking 5 minutes to basically make both decals completely disappear, cutting through them like butter. I wouldn't count this tool out, ever, or discount it's effectiveness in any way. Had I thought to break it out on the other side it would have saved me a half hour at least on the tougher decals. Highly recommended timesaver and in my actual hands-on experience it would be really difficult to damage the hull with it.
Highly recommended for stubborn decal removal! |
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8122pbrainard
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Joel,
I certainly understand the need for a rest. It sure is tough on the arms. It looks great. |
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M3Fan
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I did a full refresh on one side of the boat so far. This is a lot of work and includes a 4-stage compounding/polish (wetsand on just the rear foot or so of the red stripe, then 3 stages of cutting/polishing compound on the whole side). Then I replaced the big side decals, the small rear side decals, and then finally the pinstripe. I have the other entire side to go but I'll rest a bit before I take that on.
You might recall I did this on the 2000 SN a couple years ago (except replacing the main side decals) so I'm not entirely new to this process. The gel on the 93 was pretty much perfect other than some oxidation on just the tapered portion of the side of the boat, by the 1993 Singapore sticker (which was a total PITA to get off, BTW). The side decals were a bit beat up, and so was the pinstripe. It all had to be replaced and buffed out to make the boat go from a 8.5 to a 10 on the outside. For sticker/pinstripe removal I used a hairdryer and a plastic scraper. Some stickers came off easily, some where absolutely horrible to get off. The two worst ones were the little foil PCM sticker and the 93 Singapore sticker. Both came off in a million little pieces and the glue residue had to come off with acetone. The rest came off easily with some heat and patience, including the pinstripe which means I can return my eraser wheel to Amazon. Rearmost oxidation and the dreadful Singapore sticker in mid removal: Working the HF rotary like a boss, this is a nice ab workout. Just the faintest ghosting from the side decals, just enough to align the new ones by. Mmmmmmhmmmm! The wheels. The heavy polish was cutting the red gel like a crime scene. Very nice compound. Props to Timmy B, again, for coming up with the 3-stage 3M compound and pad combo that works so well for these boats. I was a rebel and put the side decals on completely dry. Stakes were high at 114.00 a side. I had no problems, really, doing this. I did the SKI portion first, then cut the backing on Nautique to NAU, TIQ, UE and taped the whole thing up there. Hinged the sections up, peeled out the backing, then carefully applied. These decals are dead nuts on the shadows of the old ones. Trying to see the old shadows in the polished gel while getting the decals aligned was like looking at one of those 3D fractal images and trying to get them to pop out. All of a sudden you'd see the ghost image perfectly, then it would disappear. Interesting. These decals are incredibly high quality, from Nautiqueparts.com. Exact 100% matches in every detail, even the circle R sticker at the end. Very impressive. Note half the backing is off, I lightly scored the backing sections using a sharp razor. The result, pinstripe on as well. Rear stickers for bonus points One side down, one to go! |
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jbear
Grand Poobah Joined: January-21-2005 Location: Lake Wales FL. Status: Offline Points: 8193 |
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Usually it is a good practice to defer to Tim's memory but I am almost positive that my '93 was on a Ramlin.
Like CQ said..unless the ramp was almost flat and you had the trailer in high the boat would float over the fenders every time. Mine were dented up very bad. And I have loaded a few boats over the years. But I have to agree on the side graphics..loved the wide stripe. The '93 was my 1st brand new boat and we loved it. Just couldn't load it. john |
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8122pbrainard
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Great job Joel. I admire you just going at projects even when you have never done it before. Yup, pretty easy and now you have added to your skill level.
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63 Skier
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Be careful, I think a bunch of boxes with old gauges in bubble wrap may start arriving at your door!
Very nicely done. |
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M3Fan
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Completed what has been one of my favorite boat repairs to date, and that is taking this crusty old broken Airguide and refurbishing it to like-new operational status. This Airguide had been leaking for some time, as evidenced by corroded internals and a stained faceplate. It blows my mind that a PO would not consider this a more urgent repair. Hell, after 1 single ride in the boat I had to fix it immediately.
I was able to grab a basic silver solder coil (from researching old posts here) and flux right from Ace Hardware. I scraped the surface of the bellows seam clean with a razor, very gently, then brushed the flux on liberally. Then I used my tiny 23W soldering iron to heat the seam, about 1/8" at a time, slowly applying the solder to the joint and iron, allowing it to fill the gap, then inching the iron down the seam and repeating. Looks pretty good, IMO. This literally took 5 minutes to do. I also had to clean up and lubricate the internal pivot points inside the gauge, as well as the dial, lens, etc. It went from crusty and barely moving to moving effortlessly. After repairing the bellows I blew into the gauge with a little length of hose and sure enough, no leaks and the needle moved. As a human being I could only get the gauge to indicate 14mph so I very carefully used my air compressor w/blow gun (just barely cracking the valve, carefully). The gauge takes quite a bit of pressure, as Pete indicated in a couple older Airguide posts. 45mph is certainly a decent amount of PSI but the gauge took it and held it repeatedly. I am so happy about this repair. Taking such a basic, old, mechanical item and getting it to function like new again with minimal fuss is about as good as it gets. Being a homeowner who maintains a fleet of our own land and water vehicles, I've fixed a lot of things. However, something about bringing this little device to life really put a smile on my face. |
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M3Fan
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Refreshing the throttle knob:
Intersting parallel with this- over 10 years ago I wanted to refinish the throttle knob on my 90 SN and bought a little can of stain + poly coating from Minwax to do that job. I found that same can on the shelf, untouched all these years, and used it again for the 93. Incredible! Bought some silver solder and flux today for repairing the speedo bellows seam. Also oiled and cleaned up all the internals so everything moves very smoothly.Very simple and neat mechanism. |
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quinner
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Maybe John had other issues but The Ramlin under the 93' Paragon was a PITA, and Chuck who bought it felt the same way as he ended up dumping the Ramlin and getting a brand new Boatmate a couple years ago. Unless you leave the tops of the fenders out of the water and powerload the hull would often end up on top of the fenders because it was such a tight fit between them. When Timmy jumps in and says "that's how you load it, blah, blah, blah" good luck when you need to float on because powerloading is illegal as it should be and when you have a colored hull that gets and shows all the scratches created from power loading. Would imagine Chris that your colored hull will show scratches if you powerload, the Blue 206 always gets floated on for that reason. |
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quinner
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Joel, it appears the guide poles have a PVC pipe cover, if so try just sliding the PVC up a foot or so when launching, if the poles are slightly arced as it appears that should create enough resistance for the PVC to remain in that position.
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east tx skier
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I'm a little late to the party, Joel, but great looking boat!
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63 Skier
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I agree. For the same reason, though I have a '98 Sport and love having the trunk for storage, when I see a '93-'97 Sport on the water with the angled stern I think it's just an amazingly good looking boat, the lines flow forward beautifully. Seems like it would be pretty easy to move the guide poles forward, might be worth it even for the once a year launch. That trailer will not launch well in a really shallow ramp with the high bunks, so as you say it's really pretty useless in all conditions! |
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TRBenj
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Lol, good plan. Longer PVC over those guides for the short term to protect the decals!
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M3Fan
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I will definitely keep an eye out for a replacement trailer and give this to somebody with a 96 Tantrum or a Coyote Aztek Skier, for sure. The trailer is incredibly ugly and I certainly don't want to redo the pinstriping and 230.00 side decals only to have them scratched or beat up from this POS. If I can get a new trailer for the 2000, this thing could at least inherit that one. Keep an eye out for me folks. |
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TRBenj
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Correct craft was still in the trailer business in '93... Ram-Lin wasn't born until 95 or so, if memory serves. There is literally no difference in the product either way, the trailers were the same. Only minor tweaks between our '92 cc and '03 ramlin. I've always loved the way they load, we've encountered ramps of varying steepness.
Joel, I could probably accept that homely looking trailer if it loaded nice and wasn't used often... It sure doesn't have much going for it though. Such a cherry boat deserves better. Maybe keep an eye out for another cc/ramlin on the cheap and sell that thing to a Malibu owner? Ha. |
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Orlando76
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I was gonna say the same thing |
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storm34
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John, curious to hear more about your problems with the Ramlin? Seems like they have the closest design to what CC produced for years and load so well.
Joel, good thing you won't be trailering that boat often! Steep ramps and tall bunks don't mix well. |
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M3Fan
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I think the side profile on the NWZ hulls with the big graphics and primary stripe (90-93) is honestly one of the most bad-ass profiles of any boat. The lines are so clean and flowing, it just looks absolutely killer. Classic but also substantially "mean". We talked about these being the next "classics" a while back and I'm starting to really agree with that. In theory the trailer will be used to load and unload once per year and drive about 1 mile back and forth so I'm not going to modify it. I just hate it and think it's the biggest POS I've ever had under a boat. On a level ramp it's probably not as bad but anything steep and the angles just don't work out. |
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