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sanity wrote: Lee, So, if I put 4 ice balloons in the double slingshot and aim across river...would that be an assault weapon? Automatic?

I am pretty sure that would be considered artillery. And you should expect return fire...

Interesting article

The next president, by filling inevitable vacancies on the U.S. Supreme Court, will determine the continued existence of our Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

The landmark Heller decision by the U.S. Supreme Court--which struck down the D.C. gun ban and its attendant criminalizing of armed self-defense in the home--was decided by a one vote margin, in a 5-4 decision. The court's decision was aided by briefs filed by Congress and states--briefs signed by John McCain and by Palin's state of Alaska.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden refused to sign in support of the Second Amendment. But for President George W. Bush's two high court nominations, it could easily have gone the other way. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Associate Justice Samuel Alito truly made the difference. Keep in mind that Barack Obama and the man who is now his running mate, U.S. Sen. Joseph Biden, voted against confirming both.

And Biden, one-time chairman of the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee, was radically opposed and used every trick in the book including the threat of a filibuster to kill the confirmation process.

Gun owners have U.S. Sen. John McCain to thank for quashing Biden's filibuster moves and brokering the Senate agreement that allowed confirmation. If Biden had his way, the Senate could have stalled indefinitely, leaving two vacancies unfilled, and creating a seven-member court dominated by the very justices who opposed the Second Amendment as protection for a broad, individual right.

Biden told the NAACP during his own losing primary bid for the Democratic presidential nomination:

"The next president is likely to name at least one, if not three new Supreme Court justices. We should start this national debate by recognizing the truth--that Roberts and Alito have turned the court upside down … . I guarantee you that will change."

Turning “the court upside down …” As in upholding the Second Amendment.

Biden's pledge came in an important context. With funding from globalist gun-banner George Soros, the NAACP filed the most onerous litigation de-signed by our enemies to drive America's firearm industry into bankruptcy.

That suit, argued before Brooklyn, N.Y., U.S. District Judge Jack B. Weinstein, claimed that virtually all elements of the federally regulated and lawful firearm industry were collectively responsible for the totally unrelated illegal acts of armed, violent criminals. The suit ultimately was a loser, but cost consumers millions of dollars in legal fees. It was one of a string of serial, punitive lawsuits brought before lifetime-appointee Weinstein.

And on that score, the last such lawsuit before Weinstein was thrown out by the U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled the litigation violated the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, the NRA-backed 2005 law--a law vehemently opposed by Obama and Biden.

If the Obama and Biden team has its way, the nation will again be flooded with hundreds of such suits creating what one gun-ban lawyer called "death by a thousand cuts." Under an Obama-Biden administration, the lower federal courts would resemble cloned versions of Weinstein's Brooklyn star chamber.

During the remarkable Saddleback forum, Obama attacked the nominations of Associate Justice Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, author of the brilliant Heller decision. Counted with his “no” votes against Roberts and Alito, that's an Obama thumbs down for four of the five justices who rendered the Supreme Court's definitive decision upholding the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right and recognizing the right to armed self-defense in the home.

While we have disagreed in the past with Sen. McCain on a few specific issues, these disagreements pale in comparison to what the future would be like for gun owners if an Obama-Biden regime were to control all organs of federal power and land a one-two punch against freedom.

John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an NRA Life member, life-long gun owner, hunter and staunch Second Amendment supporter. She is an electrifying force for preservation and expansion of all the gains we have made in the past decades.

Suddenly the phony poses of Obama and Biden wrapping themselves around the Second Amendment are stripped to their essence--a semantic trick designed to fool gun owners. You can't let that happen.

Your vote is a remarkable power that you must wield to preserve the Second Amendment.

scottb wrote: Riley wrote: What I don't understand is why people don't care or even want to ask about Obamas ties to Bill Ayers, his admitted drug use, his going to a church for years led by a racist radical or past statements about retributions. When has a main stream candidate ever had any similar associations or background like that? His supporters want him to be The One so bad they willing to look the other way on everything that's negative about the guy. And the press and media are so in the tank for him it's a disgrace. I think most people are tired of talking about the past and want to hear what they are going to do now. One of the problems w/McCain's campaign is that he keeps trying to target Obama's character, while Obama takes the high road and does not bring up McCain's association w/G Gordon Liddy (convicted Watergate burgular and current nut job article). I just read today that the CEO of a small gunmaker was forced to resign because of the fall out after he announced he was for Obama and donated cash to his campaign. article I guess we still have to be careful about making our votes known

Scott, comparing Liddy to Wright or Ayers is just rediculous and slanderous in itself. The guy did wrong, but served his time. He was commuted and maybe even pardoned by Jimmy Carter. He has, I believe 3 sons that have distinguished carrers in the military.

Riley wrote: What I don't understand is why people don't care or even want to ask about Obamas ties to Bill Ayers, his admitted drug use, his going to a church for years led by a racist radical or past statements about retributions. When has a main stream candidate ever had any similar associations or background like that? His supporters want him to be The One so bad they willing to look the other way on everything that's negative about the guy. And the press and media are so in the tank for him it's a disgrace.

I think most people are tired of talking about the past and want to hear what they are going to do now. One of the problems w/McCain's campaign is that he keeps trying to target Obama's character, while Obama takes the high road and does not bring up McCain's association w/G Gordon Liddy (convicted Watergate burgular and current nut job article).

I just read today that the CEO of a small gunmaker was forced to resign because of the fall out after he announced he was for Obama and donated cash to his campaign.
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I guess we still have to be careful about making our votes known

Riley wrote: The gun that the 8 year old shot himself with was a fully automatic machine gun. They are illegal to own except for some government agencies or very few people who can get a license to own one. They couldn't be any more restricted than they already are.

Converting the semi-auto versions of sub machine guns like this and the Ingram MAC 10 as well as assult rifles like the AR15, AK-47, etc. to full auto is relatively easy. So, the unregulated versions can be turned into regulated versions with little effort. Just throwing that out there.

skinaut, if I were a senator that 'twig' would mend itself?!!?   

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Lee is missing a very big point, yes you can kill someone with an automobile or boat or even a pair of scissors but none of those items were designed with that purpose in mind. All guns were designed with the sole intention of stopping a life be it animal or human. Second, So far no one is going to prison for that childs life because no law has been broken. That sounds fair to you?

I agree guns were originally intended to kill. To put food on the table, and protection from the unlawful acts of others, up to and including resisting a tyrannical government. Of course it made war a lot more efficient too.
The death of an innocent child is just heart wrenching and it is hard to debate gun control over this tragedy. Endangering a child IS against the law, this person showed a lack of judgment that cost the life of a child. I am sure he no longer has an FFL and if they wanted to prosecute the adult they could. They have probably considered the fact this man will have to live with it the rest of his life.

Good or bad, guns are here to stay. The basic choice of gun control is do you want to be totally defenseless against outlaws and repressive governments, or at least stand a chance to protect yourself and family.

Greg - I will hand your stick back to you. You are straight forward and to the point. just as Alan is.

Alan - I do not agree with your opinion, but I appreciate your straightforwardness too.

skinaut wrote: Buff Your stick is too big, from now on you will only be allowed a twig......

Because I need a hanicap or because yall are sick of my opinion?

The gun that the 8 year old shot himself with was a fully automatic machine gun. They are illegal to own except for some government agencies or very few people who can get a license to own one. They couldn't be any more restricted than they already are.

It was totally irresponsible of the father and the gun owner to let that kid touch it. They both should be held responsible. Letting an 8 year old fire a machine gun is no different than letting him take off in your airplane or rice rocket. There is no law you can pass to prevent stupidity.

How about an answer a little closer to HOME?

A house in your neighborhood rents for $2000. Your mortage payment is $1000. The difference is 1k right? That becomes imputed income that will be fully taxable at the end of the year. So, $12,000 is added to your income for tax purposes and might even push you into the next bracket!!!

If you have worked hard and minded your expenses you may OWN your home. In that case you'd add an additional $24,000 to the year end totals?!!?

HA HA, LEE! We know the same farmer.

thanks to you I do now.....

Imputed income is wealth created or acquired internally, or from non-cash sources.

An example of imputed income is a farmer who builds a table instead of buying one. The market value of the table—minus any cost from wood and nails—is the farmer’s imputed income, or the net increase in wealth he now has from construction of the table. The farmer might ordinarily purchase his table from the neighboring carpenter, but be dissuaded from doing so because of a sales or income tax which increases the sales price and makes building the table—instead of buying it—more attractive.

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I have no problem with the right to carry a firearm, my issue is with assult weapons and I although I used the Uzi incident as an example I feel it applies to "assault" rifles as well. I just don't see where those weapons are neccesary to have around.


Sorry to bring up the gun issue again but I just read this thread and feel compelled to speak up.
What Makes a weapon an assault weapon? Auto, semi auto, high cap mags, mean looks or a well known name? Or is it just one that is used to assault someone?
Because it reloads itself it's worse? A wheel gun shoots again as soon as you pull the trigger so whats the difference? most 22's are semi-auto now so does that make it an assault weapon? Full autos are illegal unless you have an FFA, and your not allowed to just carry one around as a personal defense weapon, just get caught with one and it's automatic 10 years federal time. So lets get real here, should you be allowed to own a gun and have a chance to defend yourself or your family from criminals who are going to have them even if you outlaw guns? There are always going to be idiots, do we outlaw cars because they kill? maybe just big cars? how about knives? just sharp ones? baseball bats? scissors? BOATING? Commit a violent crime with a weapon and you should go to jail or the gallows, for good. We have plenty of gun laws. Just enforce them and stop worrying about what name brand gun I choose to own.

Is it not amazing how we have become a world of enablers? I was hoping to hear that it forced him to get a job and/or create a purpose for himself.

"Someone" will become the next President. Politics will always drive us crazy.

Greg, maybe that's why they call it "parties". We all need a way to vent. It's good to know that they each have a "party".