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mtguy
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Had to reply even though the thread is old...
Here in North Idaho we have similar issues, although we are on a big lake, (Priest Lake) with plenty of ski bays. However, does anything piss you off more as a slalom skier who loves calm water, than some yahoo coming in with bow high (tuber, beginner wake boarder or whatever) creating a huge wake while you are hitting your line? Want to throttle them... However, we take turns with other ski boats.. We take our line, then while our next skier is prepping the other boat goes, then we go and they prep... Rarely more than two or three of us. Sorry, but I hate wave runners and the like...They come from out of nowhere into our calm bays thinking they are hot Sh$t... We call it "training for September" until after Labor Day and try not to get too upset. Luckily I ski with my wife and another gal, and they talk me down... We are in September now and lovin' it... 4 skiers, 9 long runs and no other boats this morning! As we like to say, "we put the 'FU' in FUN! |
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AAM196
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I like Tim and John's style. On a lake I frequent I would try this in the early am or evening but holiday weekends it's just not feasible. as soon as 1 tuber would agree to leave, 3 more super airs or cobalts with tubes would take their place!
On the river friday, water was beautiful until I zip up by bf suit... all the sudden three jet skiers emerge from the depths of hell trying to show us their 180 skills. |
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rosconole
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a slingshot or pellet gun is an effective tool for jetskiers and idiots
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Morfoot
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Gail did the same thing on Lanier a couple months ago when IAughtNaught came to hang with the Lanier crew. He was getting ready for a barefoot run when in came a Sea Ray getting ready to mess up the best water on the lake... gail, waved her arms asking the guy to stop and he did..He stopped, watched Adam then trolled over to where we were rafted up.... We thanked him for doing that and for doing so I offered a him a pull behind a real ski boat which he jumped at the chance.... He ended up hanging with us and the Deen boys got him footin for the first time by days end. Never hurts to ask someone to have some courteousy for the sake of good water.
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baitkiller
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Just ask....
We were at Keywadin last week at sunset butter and it was glassed over nicey nice. Two runs in and along comes Mr. Tube. I drove up to him and said "the conditions are epic right now". "Would you mind tubing on the North end while we stay down South?" He says sure and we all lived happily ever after. |
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Faceplant
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Oops - guess that I was wrong on the acreage to no wake law comparison . My lake is only 68 acres . The other one with wake time restrictions is 53 . Just assumed it was because of smaller sizes .
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Hansel
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True, "high speed" is relative... I mean, boats are pretty slow compared to cars at freeway speed, right?
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Hollywood
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Skiing etiquette is 2 ski boats sharing the same water. Most of this discussion is boating etiquette. Good luck finding this during a holiday weekend on any body of water near civilization.
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NCH20SKIER
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Absent definition of high speed one could argue ( but who am I to argue?) that your bare feet would not fall under a contrivance.....certainly would be a conversation opportunity with someone in a uniform or robe. |
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Hansel
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Jeff, that makes sense, but I wouldn't call either of those lakes small. Hutchins is about 380 acres and Big Star is over 900 acres in size. This sign at Big Star seems to indicate that it is some kind of "special" rule, though apparently also a common one in our part of the world. |
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kytom2
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Your just a friendly kinda guy aren't you Jbear!
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jbear
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just being friendly! john |
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Faceplant
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Hansel . I heard that the wake restrictions only apply to the smaller acreage lakes . Not sure where the acreage size cut offs are . I don't blame anyone for having fun ( skiing , boarding , tubing , jet skiing , fishing etc ) as long as safe . This isn't a dress rehearsal - have FUN . LOL .
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Hansel
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Jeff, 99.9% of the time I am on Hutchins Lake on the west side of the state in Allegan County, about 3 hours west of you. As I kid I also spent a decent amount of time on Big Star Lake near Baldwin and IIRC they had similar speed restrictions and I have seen it on other lakes in Allegan Co. as well. Is this some kind of Michigan thing?
Yes, common courtesy for sure. I have to say that there are many more skiers, especially kids, on the lake today than there were ten or even five years ago so we've got that going for us. I suspect the most offensive tubers are mostly short-term renters, and in some way I can't really blame them for "ruining" the water so long as they do it safely (which isn't always the case). |
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Faceplant
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Hansel - what is your home lake in Michigan if you don't mind me asking ? Just common courtesy , ski or wakeboard before the rush - jet ski when tubers are out and then retreat to the shore when the skiers come out so that they can have the flat waters to themselves .
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AAM196
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Yeah I just enjoy hitting the water and don't have high hopes for Labor Day Weekend!
Lake law should read as follows: Barfooters get first crack, then slalom skiers, then tricks/combos and wakeskates, then wakeboards then tubes and surfers.. Any deviation and we pop your tube! While I like the first come first serve rule... if I am pulling a mediocre wakeboarder or less and notice a decent skier looking for good water, I will migrate out of the favorite coves etc. and give them right of way. |
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Orlando76
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I was/am a hard core fisherman. I park my flats boat next to my Nautique. In the past year or two I've gotten more serious about slalom bc the lake I live across from sucks for fishing and I hate to have a lake at my door step not being used so the ski and CC has been getting more use lately, plus I need to work the beer off from fishing. As a fisherman I never understood other fisherman bitching about skiers. Tubers.... Diff story. But when other boats go by it stirs up the oxygen and adds oxygen to the water which is the basis of life. Bait comes to this fresh oxygen, creating action etc. the wake pushes the bait and fry to the shore creating a concentration of bait in an area. So as a fisherman I enjoy the skiers, in fact I'll seek that same glass water knowing a skier might be there and it makes it easier to sight fish and gives me more scenary As a skier I give fisherman a safe reasonable distance. They either appreciate the O2 like I do or leave. I know I can't ski as long as they can fish so I'm just looking for :30. If it pisses them off and leave oh well bud, sorry you're a turd. |
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Hansel
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Life Jeff (Faceplant) my "home" lake in Michigan has no wake restrictions for much of the day; before 11 AM and after 7:30 PM. I mostly dislike this rule, but since there isn't anything I can do about it I just live with it and have a nearly identical skiing schedule.
The thing that really burns me up are the tubers doing donuts in the only clean water on the lake when it is windy. Back in June my skiing buddies and I were *this* close to actually waving a boat down and asking them (nicely of course) to move to the larger part of the lake where they wouldn't be messing up smooth water that we, and maybe other folks, wanted to use. As far as fishermen go I don't give them quarter beyond what I must legally during the hours where we are able to ski. I figure they've already got the mornings and evenings to themselves so I am going to use every available inch of smooth water when I can. Oddly, I've been able to get more barefoot runs in recently with other boats around than I have slalom runs. I think this is mostly because I can find small stretches of smooth water along the shore to zip through and I am satisfied with that. I am also getting better at dealing with waves/wakes and it kinda makes it fun. I cannot say the same for slalom because I usually want to make multiples passes on the swerve stick and invariably some idiot will mess it up the good water that is important for predictability in my turns. |
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td_in_nc
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This is what I was trying to do. I was amazed at the number of people anchored in the middle of the coves, not on an edge. Also, we were joking about fishermen setting up a slalom course for us with their string of floats. Usually a couple of runs on the boat and they leave, but they are usually there well in advance of us and realize once things start up they are done. Spoke to a friend who fishes and he feels skiers are a PITA, kind of the way I about tubers. |
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JoeinNY
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On Kerr I would say if someone else was in the cove first go find another one. We pretty much go on first come first serve around my parts. We set up camp on the best water we can find and keep running there until we are done, if someone else shows up and tries to run my line I don’t give them a very wide berth, that is rare though. Likewise If someone doing anything other than tubing is there first we go somewhere else, and wake up earlier the next day. Of course first come first serve doesn’t apply to fishermen if they are parked in the only calm spot of the lake. If it’s calm over at least half the shore I give them plenty of room if they are already set up, but if its blowing north or south and we only have one reasonable spot to ski that is where we ski. If you spend more than a couple minutes between sets then any claim to a line is pretty much forfeit.
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DMH
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The weekend was nice. A bit of weather. Good to be on the boat.
Not much skiing. Here's a video shot from my 82 2001 over labor day weekend staring down wakes of various tubing and surfing boats. Labor Day 2014 |
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scottb
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I'm sure you went over just to thank them. Nothing like a closer look. |
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Faceplant
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Live on a small lake where we can only make a wake from 11:00 till 7:30 . So 10:59 = in water - 11:00 = girlfriend starts pulling me wakeboarding . About 11:20 or so switch up and do do a quick slalom run . By about 12:00 I jump on my Superjet and become part of the problem by jumping the tubers wake . Mentioned to my girlfriend that there were a couple of younger skiers out today slaloming which is kind of unusual . By about 7:00 , might do another run or two when it slows down again . Next month is when I love it best . Just a few boats here and there - very relaxing !!
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boardersdad
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We had carb trouble with the SN so stayed on the pontoon while the kids played with a small speedboat. The lake was pretty busy at times, mostly tubers, one wakeboarder practicing inverts, and a single slalomer--big guy who did a nice deepwater start. I gave him a standing ovation. Skiing is just not as popular as when I was a kid.
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Holiday weekend, boat stays on the lift and I get those over due house chores out of the way Going out tomorrow evening where there should only be 2-3 boats on the water
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Gary S
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Overcast and cloudy Saturday and Monday with lots of wind. Sunday was perfect except for the wake boat pulling tubers 1st thing out at 830am
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NCH20SKIER
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In most cases it seems as though etiquette on the water had gone the way of etiquette at the boat launch......this weekend while coming tight on the line I had a dumb a$$ come by us within 20' of the skier. While she was tooling by in some big ole Centurian with ballast tanks full and not more than 50' from others docks oblivious to those around her and the effect of her wake on the docks and boats she was going by.
Just goes to show common sense is not a prerequisite for boat ownership or operation. |
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jbear
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footed Saturday morning & took seascamper for a ride in the new to me boat. A couple of young girls came out in a center console boat with a tube but they waited till we were done! We rode over to thank them.
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emccallum
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I have tried to add my fair share of skiers to the world....every one of my kids friends that come to the lake must ski. We broke two wakeboard bindings and I never fixed them. They don't miss the wakeboard and love skiing. I taught five teens to slalom this summer. Two of them started on slalom. Nothing like the peer pressure of young girls and boys!
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JPASS
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The tubes were out in full force today. We only got a couple of runs in before everything was chopped up. No matter where we went there was either a tuber or a wake surfer.
Lake was a mess. Wound up just going to the sandbar and relaxing. Weather was perfect. |
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