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Hollywood
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probably complaining about boat and gas prices...
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eric lavine
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I missed it, i was probably talking BS on some other post
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Randy_in_Ohio
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thought I would give this a bump since Eric seemed to miss my report on his work.
(Eric, see above post dated 7-13) Eric is an outstanding guy, I would definitely recommend him to anyone in need of boat, and especially transmission repairs! Thanks again Eric. We just got back from 5 days down at Salt Fork, had a great time, and the boat ran great. |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Dude, my knob still looks great... and now it compliments my shaft nicely!
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The Dude
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Randy:
Great news you're back in the water and going! How's the knob? |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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I picked my boat up from Eric Friday, put the new Acme prop on, and took it out today.
All I can say is Wow! It was so smooth, and it really gets up out of the water now. really nice. I'm glad I took this to Eric. He did a fantastic job. I consider myself very fortunate to live close enough to be able to take it to him. Since I don't have the experience with these boats that some of you guys have, I would not have been able to determine that the strut bearing was bad, or that the shaft was in such bad shape. I would have probably spent a good part of the rest of my summer getting this right. Thank you Eric! |
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Thanks Randy |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Kind of loose then huh? We just needed to clear up that acronym for Kristoff.
I talked to Rich this morning Eric, I didn't get a chance to call him yesterday. Parts should be there by Wednesday... RIO |
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piece of ass
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Randy_in_Ohio
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POA?
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eric lavine
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the end is fretted, it took about 50 tons to press the cut piece out because of the broken set screw with the easy out in it, damn rudder is in the way of course and pulled the strut which with the shaft in the bushings is like a rented POA at the close of the convention.
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eric lavine
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its junk now......
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Thanks for all the input guys.
I dropped it off at Eric's shop this morning. I just don't have the time to work on it this week. Too much going on between work and everything else this week, and next week doesn't look much better. I would be afraid to run it with the shaft set screw broken and I have no way of getting it out now that it is broken and has the ez-out broken off in it. I just want to get it fixed and get back on the water. Summer is too short here to spend it working in the garage two weekends in a row. Eric has a lot more experience with this type of work than I do. I don't trust my judgment on this type of thing. I can see myself out in the middle of the lake with my shaft and new prop on the bottom of the lake and water shooting through the hole where shaft used to be. |
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M3Fan
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He's going to make it through the 4th with no problems anyway, because he does not need a new shaft. He'll re-align and have fun, broken set screw or not. Who cares if the set screw is broken when the coupling doesn't even have to come off?
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Pete.. You just like to argue. I spent 20 mins measuring and making the solid model, 5 mins making the drawing and the machine shop is going to do it for $50.00. Now I have a perfect shaft ready to go for a spare at a $250.00 discount. None of the shafts my friend has made were ground, guess your CNC machine is a few years old. I offer to give the guy a complete shaft assembly so he can make it through the 4th weekend here you are telling me how it can't be done. Tim |
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Randy, I was sorry to find your problems here. Here's to hoping you can get this going for the big weekend.
I'm hoping to take a quick run with Rob Leinen in South Bend this weekend! |
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Tim, You may want to consider the cost of reworking the shaft. If you have the time and equipment to do it yourself fine but to have a machine shop do it, the cost would exceed a new shaft. BTW, it's going to be hard to find the equipment to "turn" the taper and hold the tolerance. The taper should be ground. Joel, I'm with you! Make sure the shaft isn't bent, align the shaft/engine and go for it!! |
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The shaft is not JUNK. Even if it did fret you can turn it down and put a tapered coupler on it.
Tim |
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M3Fan
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Still, we haven't determined that it's been fretted. Why not align and water test? If it's not fretted then it doesn't matter whether the coupling comes off or not- it'll probably be good for the life of the shaft in that case. I just don't want to see this turn into some huge ordeal that keeps RIO off the water for weeks.
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8122pbrainard
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If the coupling is fretted, then the shaft will be too so unless the shaft OD is cleaned up and a special under size coupling made, I would consider the shaft scrap too.
Joel, He's got to get the set screw out. It may be set into a dimple drilled in the shaft. At least it should be!! |
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Gang, shouldn't we focus on the MA for now? Let's get him aligned and worry about the coupling being messed up later. Doesn't that make sense? If the coupling was really rounded out on the shaft wouldn't he be able to wiggle it around a bit regardless of the set screws?
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behindpropeller
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Don't cut the shaft off, if it is straight you can re-use it for your spare. For a new shaft from ARE it is about a week to us, plus we have the holiday weekend. In fact...call right now and see if you can get one now. Skidim with the discount is the best deal. Can you get the easy out...out? Your better off just drilling the old set screw out and putting a helicoil in. I have the set screws in stock... Tim |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Tim, Thanks for the offer.
Why do you say I wont be able to get a shaft for some time? I haven't had a chance to call Eric yet, I'm getting slammed here at work... I don't know how else I will be able to get the shaft out without cutting it. I don't think that set screw is going to come out. |
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Also... You need to loosen all four of your nuts that have the tapered pins in them. Tim |
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behindpropeller
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You won't get a new shaft anytime soon.
Ive got a spare shaft/coupler if you want to borrow it for a couple of weeks. Don't cut the shaft off!!! Tim |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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will you be around about 8am? or is that too early?
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eric lavine
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call me monday AM, looks like I'll have a boat for the 4th lol
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Eric,
I have an EZ-out broke off in the middle of the bolt. I was just out there trying to drill it out but I don't think the drill bit will go thtough the EZ-out! I think the shaft is going to have to be cut to get the coupling off now! What does your schedule look like next week? could you get me a new shaft and coupler and get this thing put back together? I'm running out of patience. At this point I would rather just drop the $$ and get it over with. I should have just brought it to you in the first place. |
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eric lavine
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its drill time, center punch it right in the center, i can see by your pictures that the alignment is out and the end of the shaft is probably fretted...you should put in the budget a new shaft and coupling and just cut the old shaft out....its up to you, once you remove the coupling and clean is when it will loosen up on you. you can buy just a new coupling if you find the shaft to be good and re-drill the set screws
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Randy_in_Ohio
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I give up.
I got an EZ-out and tried to get the broken set screw out and ended up breaking the EZ-out in the drilled out bolt. So, now I have a broken bolt with a broken EZ-out in it. I am going to take this to someone with more patience, time, tools and know-how than me. Really pisses me off! I was making good progress until I tried to take the set screws out of the coupler. |
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