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Andy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-27-2008 Location: M'boro, TN Status: Offline Points: 382 |
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Joe, could you email me some stereo pics? I want to add some things to my 82, and i just wanted to see how it laid out for you.
Thanks! Spridle@comcast.net |
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5697 |
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I dont pull the parasail from the tower, the upward pull is not exactly what it was designed for, its bolted down fairly securly and I doubt it would be a problem but the strength of the tower comes both from the front legs being in tension and the back legs being in compression, its a little different when being pulled up at 45-50 degrees. Plus iI have this irrational fear the threaded pins in the back legs would come lose and with the upward pull all heck would break loose. No advantage to the tower pull really, the extra 4 feet of height dont make a bit of difference on takeoff since you cant actually keep that much rope out of the water, (the person is well off the ground before the rope all clears the water). Once under way you can use the back seat with the pylon if you want.
For straight rediculous pulling strength I would say the stock pylon (not an extended pylon), in particular on boats with engine cradles that support the pylon, is a clear winner. I doubt you can do much serious damage to one of these boats by putting an unbreakable cable attached to an immovable object on the pylon and pulling away. Try the same stunt with a tower and something will give. That being said the tower is pretty solid for most non-rediculous tasks. I climb on and jump off the thing all the time with no real flex, and I am heavier than most. It will sway some underway but I have pushed it pretty hard without worries. While pulling I have yet to hear or see it strain, certainly nothing near the experience of an extended pylon with a good size boarder on it. |
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quinner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-12-2005 Location: Unknown Status: Offline Points: 5828 |
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Joe,
As a guy who has installed a tower and taken at least one boat down to the stringers, what are your thoughts on strength, Tower vs Pylon? What about pulling a para-sail from a tower, bad idea? would there be any advantage from a high pull? |
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5697 |
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I agree with this, there are however some people who wouldn't be caught dead on a boat with a tower, kinda like a skiers vs snowboarders kinda scenario.. no cross sport love... |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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I don't think Sebastion has to worry about a tower dropping the resale on a CC in ARGENTINA.
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quinner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-12-2005 Location: Unknown Status: Offline Points: 5828 |
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Good points Joe!
Really think a common misconception is "if it has a tower it is a Wakeboard Boat". Of course the tower will enhance the Wakeboarding experience however it really goes beyond that as far as functionality. The only negative aspects of a tower in my eyes is weight, which does affect the slalom wake, and depending on your setup the height constraints although many towers when folded are only slightly higher than the top of the windshield frame. |
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5697 |
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All BS aside, I would do the same thing with your boat. While it is an acceptable wakeboarding boat, it is mainly a ski boat and I think the tower would negatively affect the value in my mind, when I get a 90's SN it won't get a tower. I consider the 2001 series and the sports boats that appeal to wakeboarders more than hard core slalom skiers and in those cases I would say add a tower if you want one and those people who would be in the market to buy one from you will probably at least not run away from your boat. As for Quinners 206 I would probably order mine with a tower and all the air gear because to me it would be more usable. But, I know two guys looking for a slightly used 206 at the moment and neither one will consider a boat with a tower... which so far are the only boats I have seen available on the site. |
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kapla ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-27-2008 Location: BA, Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6148 |
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Lots of mixed opinions here!!!
For now I think I just keep using the extended pylon. ![]() Kapla.... |
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Kristof ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-08-2007 Location: Bree, Belgium Status: Offline Points: 3392 |
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The opinions on this subject vary as much as the ones about "to foam or not to foam"...
So when one asks for advise on a subject like these, in the end he will still have to decide for himself. |
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220nautique ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: January-25-2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 56 |
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i think you should go with the tower. before you get one don't forget that it wont fit in your garage and if you keep it at your marina they charge more for dry storage if you have a tower because they have to put it at the top.
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shawnmc ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March-17-2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 282 |
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i love my old "classic" boat and it was a big decision as to put a tower on it or not. You can see by the pictures we chose the tower. I do agree that to each his own. You really have to decide what will work for you and what you want and will settle for. Do I really like the look of the tower, probably not. Do i think it will affect my resale, I really don't care. Does everyone like skiing and wakeboarding behind my boat, yes.
I agree with Joe and at the same time also agree with Doc. Guess that is why they have chocolate, vanilla and chocolate and vanilla ice cream mixed together. |
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^^^^^^^ WORD ! ^^^^^^^^^^^
That stereo cranks! Mike |
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5697 |
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My stereo was also built for pulling a 26' cloud hopper, with 800' feet of line out it takes a lot of wattage for the flyer to be able hear without straining... |
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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Quinner. I think it was $8500 msrp after the GT-40. I did not buy mine new. Someone else took the ding on that one. I got mine in 2005,with ~135 hours.
Billy, you are killin me. I will call you when I fire her up the first time in the Spring. That sweet rumble will make it hard for us to really talk, but you will get the picture. ;^ ) M |
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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Yes that was correct,Karens boat.I get to fill it up, tow to the ramp, do all the wrenchin', upkeep, bla bla bla..........
Each time we are asked I have a pat answer to throw back.....Ask her it is her BABY.... Larry, thanks for the pic, it has been almost a full year.What better place to spend our anniversary than with a bunch of swell guys &girls "WE" met on this site.Key West is THE place to tie the knot, hope to leave from St. Johns and head back to relive last year. Mike, I am not really sure he has a real boat, Barb does but I have only heard about that "BLING BOAT". |
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quinner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-12-2005 Location: Unknown Status: Offline Points: 5828 |
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Bruce,
Lake George is a bit too far away to make any plans for me yet, heck who knows where I will be next week? Thinking the boat you are referring to is the 2001 Ski Nautique with a 393 Stroker, there is one in the Diaries. Slayers is the 99' Super Air V-Drive with a Python, same motor as Barefoot Eddie has in the 90' Barefoot Nautique that was at Lake George. Slayer, When I was finalizing the order on my 99' asked what the upcharge would be to go to the Python, IIRC it was $5k or $6k, that was additional from the GT-40 which was already an upcharge, hence we stuck with the GT-40!! |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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Did I read right? Karens boat?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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I have not put it in the diaries. I have no idea on the Seaworld question, but I doubt it. If they had BB boats they probably would have been SN's. I have a friend who has that motor in a direct drive. Sick, sick boat. I think all the Super Air's with it were custom ordered as they were a really expensive upgrade at the time.
I am mostly just messin' with Boat Dr here. Havin fun and talking smack. M |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7952 |
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Mike, is that boat in the diaries? Is it one of those red boats with the white stripe that they had at Seaworld in 2000?
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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My blingboat has 438HP and 500+ ft lbs of torque. I run an Acme 644 on it.
The BS defnitely stops when the prop drops. Not really sayin, just sayin... ![]() Mike |
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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The motor in Karens boat was not built for top end speed. These old boats were very unstable above 55 mph. Mine is included in this statement.
The stroker was built as a direct result of owning and "flying" a 26 foot parasail.If you want to see what kinda' pull your boat has,make a pass with that tied to your stern. Even tho the HP is higher thanmost 351, I was after the "TORQUE" 400 plus pounds of twist.Currently I am running a 12x15 OJ LEDGEND. If Reid brings me his loaner we will see if she can pull a 12x16. The BS stops where the prop hits the water.....Boat dr |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7952 |
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Chris, you gonna pull your boat out to Lake George in September?
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quinner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-12-2005 Location: Unknown Status: Offline Points: 5828 |
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Well actually, depending on what "Bling" you are referring, there is more function then looks IMO. The function a Tower adds is pretty awesome really, it creates additional lift which greatly enhances your ability to get "Air" or do "Tricks" on any board or a hydrofoil, the additional lift while barefooting is great as well, when teaching new skiers or pulling very novice recreational skiers the lift is also a help, additionally it allows passengers to sit in the back seat for those times when it's not the hard core ski or foot runs where you want a minimal wake/passenger load. As far as the "Speaker" bling, what can I say, there is nothing cooler then rippin a foot run across the lake with Van Halen or Kid Rock along for the ride. As far as CC goes, my guess is they are in it for the long haul, there is no question we are in some tough times, so many I have talked to, including my own business, are down quite a bit, shortened work weeks, etc. let's all hope for better times ahead. Really don't think CC has forgotten about the skier either, Wakeboarding is huge and the demand for that style boat has been much greater then the straight inboard "classic" 196/206 style ski boat. Had CC only produced the 196/206 over the past 10yrs they would have been on a 2 day work work long before now. BTW Doc, the "Bling" on your boat is 2nd to none and very cool! Great comment above "To Each His Own" !! |
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Not Titanium - just plain grade 2 steel but defiantly bigger! 90490A327 Grade 2 Plain Steel Hex Nut 4"-8 Thread Size, 6" Width, 4" Height $168.77 Each |
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Disclaimer:
Not trying to pi$$ ya off Boat Doc, or anyone else who modifies their engines for that matter. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate against your point of view...guess I'm just bored or something. But I definitely think it's sweet watching a modified inboard launch out of the water with lots of "GO". I think it was JoeinNY's video that I've seen which is an awesome holeshot video. |
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C-Bass ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November-18-2008 Location: Columbus, IN Status: Offline Points: 1248 |
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I'm not calling BS on that motor, I'm very sure it could back it up with lots of GO. But that's just it, these boats weren't designed to "GO", they were designed to "TOW". My point was that some may not see the point in making a tow boat with all those guts, they're more worried about how well it performs the towing part. So the way I see it is, if a tower helps Sebastian's storage problem, and he doesn't mind the look of it, he should get one. But if he's doing it to help the resale value, or to just impress the ladies, or anything that's just "for show", then yes I agree he should probably reconsider... |
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Harder than steel but a little on the small side.. ![]() That next sound is me ducking |
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You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails
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^^funny as hell^^
Billy calls it like he sees it, that is for sure. |
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Billy's nuts per Eric:
Bumped up to Titanium!! ![]() 90545A041 Titanium Hex Nut 3/4"-10 Thread Size, 1-1/8" Width, 41/64" Height $28.04 Each |
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