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    Posted: February-24-2009 at 12:54am
I just used a small hand pump I picked up at Harbor Freight. Worked great and cost 5 or 6 bucks. I even emptied my fuel tank with it. When the boat is on the trailer it will siphon out after a few pump strokes as long as you keep the recepticle can lower then the gas tank.
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I used this pump/container. $40

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Someone posted this idea last fall -- use a 1 gallon jug pump. You can get them at a hardware store, they cost around $2.
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You take this baster



Add a 6 inch clear hose to the tip and it will
suck the fluid out of the Tranny in short order.
Then clean it with soap and water and get it back into the kitchen drawer before the wife notices it missing. Again, not around Thanksgiving...
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any pics of that rig?
It thats a kind of big syringe?

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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

Getting that fluid is a pita with a manual pump...
Is there a more efficient non expensive tool to do the job?
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I use the wifes Turkey Baster. Just not around Thanksgiving....
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i keep this rule: motor oil every 50 hours or 6 months, tranny fluid 100 hours or 1 year...
Getting that fluid is a pita with a manual pump...
Is there a more efficient non expensive tool to do the job?
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okay, Yea well put. So five years is too long then...
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once a season wouldnt hurt, my comment about propane engines, the oil still wears and will be clean as the day you put it in, ask Kristof,
you still will get a touch of contamination in trans oil and it will loose its ability to lubricate after time
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We didnt think anything of it, Because the oil still looks brand new, but its not like engine oil where it changes color from combustion. How often should it be changed? We change the Engine oil every fall.
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now, now 74....would you let your engine oil go 5 years and not change it? if you pulled the dipstick on a propane burning engine it would be clean as the day you put it in and that doesnt necessarily mean that clean oil is good oil
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Pete, FYI, they do offer a dampner, damper with the edge's already shaved off, i accidentlly ordered one and it showed up with the edges trimmed already, i believe it is a da-106a, no trimming necessary, i found this out late in the season...
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Thanks SNobsessed, and Pete And Eric. I will run it past my dad. We have been having some warm weather lately, maybe i can talk him into doing this early, and not have a problem in the middle of my Skiing season. Because....Slalom skiing is my life! I Dont want that interupted by a problem we knew about in advance. SO thanks guys.
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74Ski - I'm all thumbs & I was able to replace my damper plate in 1 afternoon. I wouldn't put if off if I were you. It's not a big job.

There are some threads here that will explain the procedure.

Just make sure & get it aligned to the trans shaft (tighten after assembly recommended).
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Chris,
A dampner with hours on it will have weak and somewhat collapsed springs. This creates play between the outer hub attached to the flywheel and the center splined hub that goes to the trans. At a low or rough idle, the springs will rattle the plates back and forth like " a drier with rocks in it"!! If a spring breaks, it will usually come out of the retainer and that would be a different noise. I threw a spring once!

You may have a hard time finding a reman engine the same as yours but rebuilding the existing is certainly a option.



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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

You have a Velvet drive so it takes a 26 tooth spline. The best out there is the Sachs plate.

sachs plate

Eric uses them and he should have one too. Trimming the OD on some of the smaller flywheels may be needed. My 302 needed it trimmed.


Yes, I got the Borg Warner 1:1 71c Velvet drive. We might use it as is this season, and then in the fall, pull it out. Maybe rebuild the whole thing, or trade for a remanufactured one. Could it be a broken spring? If it is, that adds more load on the other 5. What makes the noise exactly?
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

and, 74 with 1600 hours I would probably do more than a damper, thats from thinking while its out....just hate pulling them twice, and you do know about alignment I presume?


I know that on this boat, as well as many others, the engine, tranny, and driveshaft are in a straight line, the shaft doesnt angle like my G-pas 89 because the engine on his sits level, not slanted back. What else would you have done? The fluid has been in for 5 years, and still a nice red color, no pink(signs of water) no fluid leaking from the seals.
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Stev,e it is a Chevy and tend to be a little harder on the damper plates because of torque lol, its probably due, Ive seen them go bad as early as 300 hours...it wont hurt
and, 74 with 1600 hours I would probably do more than a damper, thats from thinking while its out....just hate pulling them twice, and you do know about alignment I presume?
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You have a Velvet drive so it takes a 26 tooth spline. The best out there is the Sachs plate.

sachs plate

Eric uses them and he should have one too. Trimming the OD on some of the smaller flywheels may be needed. My 302 needed it trimmed.


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Pete,
I talked to my dad this morning. He has no doubt he can do it, just he would like to call Eric and ask a few questions first. Its got 1600 hours, and never been apart.
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Chris,
It sounds like your dad wouldn't have a problem with a dampner. If you don't know what it is, do a search here and read up on it. After doing that, you could probably change it yourself!


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Speaking of damper plates, I think I'm about due on the BFN. Motor runs like a top after new DUI dizzy, carb rebuild and full tune up. It produces a big clunk apon engageing in forward gear. Never does it it in reverse gear, just forward but does it every time warm or cold. Am I thinking right? It's only got 400 hrs. and new been apart.
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Thats what my dad suggested. The engine might be idling a little slower than it does when its warm also causing a "rough idle." Once warm, sounds like a new engine, and no tranny noise. How difficult would it be to change the dampner plate? Is it something that a boat shop has to do? Or someone with Experiance can do? My dad has taken out 18 wheeler trannys before, we are just not sure about how to do this, and deffinatly dont want to damage anything that will interupt with our Skiing season.
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you may have a slight miss with the engine when cold and will smooth out as it warms, dont get me wrong that the damper springs have weakened but also it could be an engine problem aggrivating the damper. a half a degree of timing will cause a damper noise, a bad plug also...when you hear a damper noise think of it as a jack hammer, it is causing premature wear and needs to be addressed
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Yes, that is what we were thinking. So why does the noise go away once the Transmisson is warm? Is the fluid thinner?
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BTW, it does sound if you did need a damper plate also
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in other words synthetic may make the trans slip on powering up, I'll run the old type F in higher HP tranny's because of an additive that adds more co efficiency

a good example of these transmissions is imagine putting your hands together as if you were praying, a synthetic will act like a hand creme between your hands when you squeeze your hands together and try to twist, normal oils or even a type F would be more like pine tar between your hands....a little easier to understand.

use normal fluids...Dexron Mercon compatible...no synthetics
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Chris,
Our transmissions are not the same as automotive trans's which are basically a pump and turbine where a: " low co-efficient of friction and high film strength help to dramatically reduce heat and wear." is beneficial. Marines are a pump that applies pressure to the clutch plates engaging the engine to the prop shaft. A low coefficient of friction is not what you want between the clutch plates. If they slip, they heat and the plates warp then you'll be sending you trans to Eric!! Instead of looking at what I would call "bling" fluids, take some time to look through the trans manuals in our ref. section. Some show the internals so you may get the idea on how they work.

Stick with regular Dexron/Mercon

Concerning the noise, how's your dampner plate?

Eric, Anything to add?


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Careful with those. I remember in a previous thread that a lot of people said not to use any additives or syn. I bet Eric will reply soon.
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