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    Posted: March-15-2009 at 12:07am
Ok plug worked nicely... next oil chage will be the first time I will have the op to use the drain system since I own the boat...
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I have to agree eric...

And Tim...you should know enough by now to watch your wording a little closer..

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its been a long winter, I dont want to hurt your guy's feelings, after this thread well.......its been a long winter
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yeap that was my next question about this.. I was thinking on some type of grease (red) or graphite based grease???
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Sebastian......You could always lube the threads a lil bit with some vasaline or O-ring lube ( Parker Lube) before you install the plug.
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Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

I would clean up the flats on the plug some before you install it, with the tee I bet your not going to have enough leverage to get it tight enough and you'll have to use an adjustable wrench on the square section to get it tight enough, and then there is also the possibility that the weld might snap, but I'm sure it's a good weld but better safe than sorry though.


Cris that was my concern but it has nice leverage.. I have small hands....but as here pete says I will hand tighten it...I donīt want it to frosen again there...
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Seb,
Very creative!!

Chris,
I've never had to wrench tighten any bilge drains on any of my boats and have never had a leakage issue. Hand tight has always worked plus, remember unlike your arms, mine are spindly!!!

Seb,
Before you set it back in the boat, work the plug into the hull fitting by tightening and loosening 15 to 20 times. This will remove any possible high spots in the pipe threads so they seat properly.


done.. I cleaned it and wire brushed it. It fits smoothly.. I went there today and installed it. Now I'm just waiting the 5200 sealant to cure... hope it does for saturday....
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Seb,
Very creative!!

Chris,
I've never had to wrench tighten any bilge drains on any of my boats and have never had a leakage issue. Hand tight has always worked plus, remember unlike your arms, mine are spindly!!!

Seb,
Before you set it back in the boat, work the plug into the hull fitting by tightening and loosening 15 to 20 times. This will remove any possible high spots in the pipe threads so they seat properly.


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I would clean up the flats on the plug some before you install it, with the tee I bet your not going to have enough leverage to get it tight enough and you'll have to use an adjustable wrench on the square section to get it tight enough, and then there is also the possibility that the weld might snap, but I'm sure it's a good weld but better safe than sorry though.
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well I went to this friend and we share a couple of beer and we came out with this.. a fawcet water handle welded to the old plug.. not fancy but sure functional....





I wanted to go today and intall it but I`m having some flu... hot weather and ac itīs killing me.. all the family is the same way
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Seb,
The only bad thing about 5200 is it's cure time. It can be several days depending on the humidity. (It's a moisture cure poly) Spraying some water on the area after you get it in the boat will help. I'd wait a couple days and then feel the excess to see if it is set up. Doesn't need to be hard but just firm and not tacky.


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Every day you learn s'thing new!!!
Well I took the plug to a friend who is an artist and works with welding, he does big insect (ants, spiders, etc) made out of metals, so he should be able to weld a T on the plug...
I will pick it up today...
So when I assemble the plug again how much time do I need to let the sealant cure before putting the boat on the water again?
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Yes,
Bronze is copper alloyed with tin.

Brass is copper alloyed with zinc.


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copper zinc... wikipedia...
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Brass is a copper bronze alloy?
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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

i think the housing is brass, are the bronze plugs ok or should i get brass plugs?


If you're going to have a T handle welded on, ask your welder which he would prefer. It's been a few years since I welded the brass windshield brackets together for my Atom but I seem to remember the Tig setting are the same as aluminum. AC current and continuous high frequency.

Yes on the 5200 for bedding the housing back in.


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i think the housing is brass, are the bronze plugs ok or should i get brass plugs?
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Yes I was also thinking about doing that...
And one more when putting the housing back to the hull, which adhesive sealant is recomendable the 3m 5200?
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Seb,
You should have a local welding shop down there. Have them braze or weld on a T handle to one of the new plugs you bought. Bilge drains don't need to be wrench tight. There's very little pressure on them so the T handles work great hand tight.

Brass to brass can be TIG welded. Bronze to bronze depending on the exact alloy should be brazed.


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yeap they sell the t handle for $9..
i will try at local parts here and if not I get the one from skidim...
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Sebastian, for god sakes get a proper one with a T-handle so you dont have to go through this whole thing again next time!

Lewy linked to the $30 part from SkiDIM above.
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No T handles available here... I was thinking on getting the one from skidim but shipping and customs will kill for that.. and this plugs i got here all cost me $5...
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Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

I start with 100 strokes only 1 quart is out!!!


Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

youve gotta get that unstuck!


Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

so I canīt use it.
I wanted to pump


Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

If you cant get it off by hand, get some leverage on it. Pipe wrench, vice grips- anything. It should come if you hit it. Spray some penetrating oil on it first and let it soak for a few days.


Very good iīm still crying

Back to the boat I got the thruhull out... it was easy, I just needed help from below to hold the screw in order to prevent it to spin with the nut when unbolting.....

Then whith a bench morse and a good adjustable plier (stilson here? the ones used on plumbing) we got it out.
this was mounted


the plug head warped thats why it was impossible to get it out...


and this are diferent 3/4 bronze plug I bougth to replace the old one... i'm not sure which one is best....


the old one is solid and the new are hollow...
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You took the words right outa my mouth Quinner. Gotta be some sort of record...so many opurtunities in one thread.

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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

I start with 100 strokes only 1 quart is out!!!


Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

youve gotta get that unstuck!


Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

so I canīt use it.
I wanted to pump


Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

If you cant get it off by hand, get some leverage on it. Pipe wrench, vice grips- anything. It should come if you hit it. Spray some penetrating oil on it first and let it soak for a few days.
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Kapla you should have something like this in your 90. It is exactly the same as my 89.

Thru Hull & T handle bung

It also had a square plug frozen in the thru hull fitting like yours. It was impossible to get it unfrozen while still attached to hull. Remove the thru hull fitting just 4 s/s bolts with nyloc nuts on mine. This makes it much easier to hold the fitting in the vice and get that frozen plug out.

They had used a galvinised plug which had frozen real solid needed to apply a bit of heat to get it out. I ordered only the t handle fitting then as the threads in the thru hull fitting were fine.

Like TRBenj said when ever the boat is out of the water the bung should be out. It drains any water and we know the pre 93 hulls like to be kept as dry as possible.
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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

I like Gregs idea...get more pics of the girls in the boat.....

Not sure it does any good on the plug, but sure warms up OUR winter days!


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