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doogs
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Posted: April-03-2005 at 9:50am |
ok some good and bad news the block was stuffed but the guy who is rebuilding it found another block. i did notice that the oil seal on the water pump side was one piece and had grooves cut into it does this mean that i need specific reverse rotation seals?
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GottaSki
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I concur...keep the rotation LH.
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reidp
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So you're still considering an automotive rotation? Well, a Windsor's a Windsor in that your original engine is as typical as they get, but only as far as a base engine design is concerned, so your manifolds will swap just fine. But not knowing where your proposed engine is coming from, your starter must match the engine rotation as it's not bi-directional. The marine distributor/engine is set up for mechanical advance and not vacuum like the autos. To use your existing dist you must have the cam-drive gear changed for std. rotation. Some one else chime in to talk Doogs out of this.... And did anyone mention that it's highly probably that the boat will list to starboard when cruising down the outback rivers and lakes?
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doogs
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thanks Tim D for that info fingers crosed its two piece. Workky the original motor is still all there it still has all the parts you mentioned so they shouldnt be a problem!
Just on replacing the complete motor again if i have to? if i replace the motor and only utilize the raw water pump and the gearbox from the old motor and just switch the oil pump on the gearbox around is there anything else i would need to do other than whats involved in a normal engine swap? Would the exhaust manifolds and risers fit on a conventional windsor? |
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workky
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make sure you get a reverse rotation camshaft as well,and also the distributer gear is reverse rotation also.
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Tim D
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If your crank has a one piece seal, get the marine, because the lines are directional on the seal, if it is a two piece it doesn't matter, (use auto about $14)cause the crank has the directional lines which pull the oil back.
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Stan C
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Doogs
reidp is correct, rebuilding the existing reverse rotation engine is the cheapest and most rewarding option. The seals should be available direct from PCM also. |
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doogs
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thanks reidp so the only real specialty part is the seals? everything else should be right? I wonder if seals could be bought over here otherwise would skidim be the best option?
Will keep you posted as to what happens |
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reidp
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Doogs,
Rebuilding the existing is by far your easiest and cheapest way to go. Just make sure you order the correct seals for that reverse engine and your crank will be fine as you just need to have it turned, and not worry about the rotation issue if keeping it the same. So, UNLESS WOODY OR SOMEONE AT CORRECT CRAFT SUGGESTS CHANGING THE ROTATION, DO NOT. They didn't make them that way to make it difficult on us down the road. The cost of the new prop alone is greater than the increased cost of rebuilding it rev. rotation as opposed to standard/automotive rotation. If there are parts you can't get over there, just let us know. Unfortunately, the Cleveland engines really didn't make it on the marine scene here. Good luck. |
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Siveck
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Don't forget the little reverse rotation front cover and rear main seals. Those supposedly care which way the crank spins. I'm currently replacing the cam in my '75 Nautique after I sheared the teeth off of the cam gear. Let us know if you figure out which way the crank bolt turns for removal.
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doogs
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so by switching the pump around does that mean the prop still spins the right way? or am i on the totally wrong track? were these engines bought out in anything else? at least the same block?
So far it looks like rebuilding the original motor im just a bit worried after reading other posts about getting seals and the crank reground the right way! what are the other concerns if i was to get it rebuilt? |
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AWhite70
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As for switching to a LH rotation engine I've heard you can turn the pump around in the transmission and you'll be ok.
As for switching engine types (i.e. 351W to 351C) I think it could get pretty expensive since you won't be able to reuse any of your old parts (i.e. exhaust manifolds, engine mounts, front drive components, etc.) |
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doogs
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I have recently purchased a 78 nautique only to find out the engine is stuffed. The problem is I am located in Australia. The current engine is a PCM 351 and BW velvet drive.
I have gathered that these engines rotate opposite to a standard car engine and that is where my dillema lies. I cannot seem to locate a direct replacement so is it possible to swap it for a different motor such as a 351 Cleveland? These are pretty common motors here so they are pretty cheap which is important. Will the gearbox be ok running in reverse? i understand i will need to replace the prop, is there anything else other than the usual things? or am i better off trying to rebuild the existing motor? Sorry for so many questions im just in a bit of a dilemma and dont want to spend a fortune to get it on the water!! Thanks in advance! |
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