Mr. Buffalo

you really got me fired now with the "most helpful generation to the economy"
have you really ever sat down and thought what has happened the last three years. the reason the economy was so great the past 10 years was from the excess of money flowing through the economy, the banks loosened up on thier lending practices, no more microscopes, no 20% down, anyone with a $10.00 an hour job could by a house, they would get in the house that they paid lets say 150k for....low payments cause they are on an arm, then the property values started to rise then all of a sudden the guy is at 12.00 bucks an hour the house is worth 175k now, because the market is booming...he needs some extra cash, wants a new CC in the drive, maybe a beamer, he goes to the bank, borrows another 25k, bank hands him a check. he still owes the bank 175k, because he is on this f-d up arm that in another year will double his payments, he doesnt look at it this way.he puts some of this money aside so he can make the payments, borrowing money to payback borrowed money
Now this big Pirhana frenzy is starting to weaken, this guy's 5 year arm hits. hes making 12.50 an hour now. here comes the tow truck, hooks up the car, takes the boat and this guy is thrown into forclosure.
Now all these bad loans and good loans out there are bundled up and sold, they still have value over time.....thats now at the point of a government bail out. under 2% of all the homes are in foreclosure...it really isnt bad debt because people are still struggling to make payments to the new bank that owns the loan, in no way is it a lose situation for the bank
now that 175k house is worth 120k, which is where the value of the dollar goes down.
alot of the boom we seen in the 90's and early 2000's was because of this and my grand parents and many to the likes and even parents saved every penny they earned, accumlating wealth and they passed and the money fell into the hands of the siblings, easy come easy go.......
I own one credit card, it is for my shop, thats it.
we got a violent raping, 40% to 70% hits on IRA's, 401's
it creates a recession or a better term depression, it puts the fear back into people and they pull back on thier frivalous spending and the cycle starts again.....the governmant steps in and tries to fire the economy by dumping money into infastructure and tries to create jobs, the problem though is were getting to a point to where there is more people than jobs because all the manufacturing went over sea's, unemployment will hit 12%, and the division will begin, and the middle income families will disolve to a poverty status....its not a conspiracy, it is happening whether you believe it or not

eric lavine wrote: I still see some discrimantion in your thoughts, and selfishness

I would not call it discrimantion or selfishness.... I call it self-aware.

eric lavine wrote: What are your thoughts on a sin tax? helped build alot of stadiums and if you have ever drank one beer in your life you should classify your self as part of "that" crowd

I do have a drink now and again. I pay the "sin tax" by choice when I have a drink.
I am not given the same opportunity for paying someones health care when they have smoked all their lives or riden a motorcycle with no helmet. Lets have a donation setup for these needs.

My generation is not referred to as the "Me", "My", or "I" generation. But the "Baby Boomer" generation. The most successful and helpful generation to the economy to date. We are still waiting for these "Me", "My", and "I" generations to show us what you got...
We take/took care of our Parents and Grandparents as they could count on us. What I see now is the middle aged children moving back into there parents home and the grandparents alone in their final years.

What generation are you proud to be a member of ?

WSJ article

that hit a nerve

Eric, I can't quite picture you at the pulpit...

How 'bout this, I saw in the WSJ yesterday that the pubs may force the dems to read the climate bill on the floor...so they're going to hire a speed reader.

At least SOMEONE will read this bill before an up and down vote?!!?   

I still see some discrimantion in your thoughts, and selfishness

your a puppet im a puppet wouldnt you like to be a puppet too   lol
btw, do you eat Mcdonalds? Azues, drink beer?
have any cancer genes upstream? I dont think Lance smoked and he took pretty good care of himself....

eric lavine wrote: i call it like i see it.....and i pretty much called it.... flip the coin, do you deserve better healthcare than someone else in this country? and dont say yes because i went to school, it is discrimination in my eyes, on this topic I feel it should be equal accross the board, i get pissed off about welfare but i dont get pissed about healthcare, because you dont have control over health

Discrimination??? Come on, that is a stretch.

To some extent, I think you are right, Eric. Sometimes bad stuff just happens to otherwise good people, but I do believe you can have a large impact on your own health. Not smoking, not drinking too much, and eating right will definetely yeild better results than the opposite. Excersizing on a regular basis helps too. Like you said, welfare pisses me off and now, to throw gas on the fire, we are going to have to pay for the same person go to the doctor that we pay to sit around on their ass and smoke cigs all day. Tell me, where is the motivation to do anything or better yourself? To get yourself out of this bad situation? No, no, Obama can't have that because that person might actually not vote for him next time. He needs as many people dependent on the government as he can so the dems can hold the power as long as possible.

My other point is that we already have "universal" health care. Medicare/medicaid cover children and the elderly and the fact that you can walk into any hospital in the country and they can not refuse to help you. They are required by law to help you.

I am not saying that I am better because I went to school Eric, I am saying I am better because I take responsibility for myself.

Eric-
I just call it like I see it that's all. Not sure what generation your wife is from, but I am 28. I do have great health care because I went to school for 4 years and struggled to find a decent enough job to provide it (Not real easy right now). Not saying that if your job does not give you health care it is not decent or good, but that was one of the reasons I did go to school. I always had good jobs while in HS and college. They paid well and I had fun doing them, but knew at some point I would not be able to use my parents health care anymore, so I decided I would do what it would take to get myself to a point where I could get a job that would provide HC to myself and my family.

FWIW, I do not take any prescriptions and very rarely go to the doctor or call in sick to work. Probably average less than 1 sick day/yr (judging by my co-workers, that is pretty low).

I really do not try to fire you up, but do enjoy the debate!

To each according to their need, from each according to their ability?

Moffoot, I differ with you on the Cuba medicin statement, people from all over the world go to Cuba for the most specialised issues.

They have many other issues, but medicin certainly isnt one of them.

I drove through Gary, IN at sunrise back in about 1975 and saw colors I'd never seen back in Maine.

Alan, I had a good buddy that was from Garden Street in Pawtucket and hung out there a lot between 1970 and 1978. Between So Attelboro, Central Falls and Pawtucket, it was a pretty interesting and crazy place.

I follow you Greg. My dad grew up on a farm in Iowa. Had enough of the cold, shoveling snow etc, so he moved to GA when I was 2. Been here ever since. We may need a wet suit up a GL just to be able to take a dip in the frigid water up there.

The idea of GOV health care is scary. Take a look at the former USSR or Cuba. Socialized medicine is BAD for us all. I think the term " Just take em' out back and shoot em'" would really apply like previous posts have stated.

eric lavine wrote: you been to the Docter lately? your a number, at the Clinic here in Cleveland the doctors are trained to keep the patient for 12 minute visits, If you have good insurance they line you up for MRI's CAT SCANS, blood tests, cavity checks...the system is broken, and trying anything is better than it is now, the ones with insurance are paying for the ones without....the Gov needs to step in

And this is somehow going to get better when the government steps in and makes it free for everyone to go to the doctor for a hang nail? Magically, more doctors are going to appear? I think just the opposite. When Big Brother regulates all the profits out of halthcare, why go through 12 years of school to be a doctor.

Government healthcare = more patients, less doctors, lower quality

At the clinic, you may feel like a number now, Eric, but wait until it is a government agency and you will literly be a number. Kind of like all other agencies (DMV), "Now serving number 23B!" Sad part is, you are holding number 14E...

eric lavine wrote: have you ever seen an Ohio spring?

No, have you seen spring in Georgia?