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    Posted: March-27-2005 at 1:32pm
i'v spent my weekends for many years pumping fuel,[and selling worms ]at the marina.we have fire exttinguisher's everywhere.i don't ever want to have to scramble to get one again. for any reason. point made !
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Kenny some people feel that they can fit their automotive carb with j-tubes and seals around the throttle plate shaft and make it a marine approved carb. And they are so off base on what a marine carb is vesres a car model
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenny g Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-27-2005 at 12:24pm
the main ingredient for a coast guard legal marine carb is in the throttle shafts and throttle plates.
the shafts are grooved and slabbed to channel the flooded fuel down the intake.and the plate bodys have a special seal.
feasible yes. practical hell no.it would be cheaper to buy a new one.

just one more point for everybody.
never use a gasket between the carburetor air horn flange and the flame arrestor.it's possible this gasket could become saturated with fuel if the carb should flood.
some things we learn the hard way,but never ever forget..
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Yep, it CAN be done. The parts are available. The casting are the same.
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using an automotive carb modified to be MARINESAFE .are you serious ?
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Thanks all... That hose barb on the carb solves my fuel pump vent problems....
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Jim:

First question: No the arrestors have the nipple on the outside that are held to the top of the arrestor with a metal tab. Nothing penetrates the arrestor.

Second question: Any nipple that will introduce the fuel into the carburetor (above the throttle plate and venturies should work fine. Since the nipple is there, use it...my carb does not have one. But, then again, I am using a automotive carb modified to be marine safe.
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jim i just bought a new holley 4160 marine.it's setting in front of me in the box.just above the linkage,at the top,is a 1/4" barbed hose nipple.if you look inside the throat you'll see the hole where the fuel from the fuelpump is dumped into the carb [if the fuel pump diaphram should fail ]use a clear hose so you can see if fuel starts to weep out.you'll be safe.   
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My Holley 4160 4V Marine carb has a small hose bib protruding from the neck of the carb. That hose bib is the exact same size as the hose bib on the fuel pump. The carb came from the factory with a rubber cap installed on that hose bib. Could that hose bib be intended for the vent hose from the fuel pump?
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I know they can be purchased. My problem is I just bought this polished stainless steel arrestor $$$ and I am nickeling and diming myself to the point where I could have floated the QEII by now. You mean the nipple connects on the inside of the arrestor directly to somewhere on the carburator? I don't know what you mean by "tap". Are you saying the nipple is long enough inside the arresstor so it ends right above the carb throat? Does the nipple connect to a fitting on one of the carb bowls?



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Jim:

Do not put the nipple on the bottom...the fuel will pool on the bottom of the arrestor and leak onto the manifold. Spark arrestors can be purchased with the correct sized nipple. I purchased my arrestor from CC and it has both the fuel pump nipple and crankcase vent nipple.

If the fuel pump starts weeping, you want the fuel to be ingested via the carburetor, so the nipple should be at the top side of the arrestor. The nipples are attached via a tap and do not actually penetrate any part of the spark arrestor so as to allow a backfire flame to ignite the fuel in the hole.
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I just looked at a pic of an arrestor on the skdim site. I think I will braze a small hose nipple into the bottom of my arrestor unless there is something going on here I don't suspect. Does the small nipple protrude through the flame arrestor and point down towards the carb throat?
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Scary. I assume the clear vinyl hose can be tie-wrapped to the fuel line.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-25-2005 at 3:23pm
Sometime in the '70's they started marine fuel pumps with that vent. I still have the original pump with a glass sediment bowl on the bottom which had no vent. I replaced it about 12 years ago with a standard pump. The original ruptured and shot gas out the top, I had just backed in the water, cranked it smelled gas, turned it off, raised the box and turned it over, it shot gas about 8 feet high.
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Thanks David. My new spark arrestor did come with two nipple looking things that have mounting tabs attached, shipped loose in the box. The only problem is the nipples are sized for what looks like 5/8" or 1/2" hose (perhaps for a PVC valve hose). So now what? Use a reducer of some sort? (They just don't ship these things with instructions and when you are upgrading from older equipment you have nothing to look at.) Thanks for your help.
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The fuel pump weep is routed via clear vinyl tubing to the spark arrestor. The spark arrestor should have a nipple to accept the hose. If yours does not, replace the arrestor with one that does. The purpose of the clear tubing is to allow you to see that it is full of gasoline and your pump needs to be replaced.
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My newly purchased fuel pump has a small diameter vent tube protruding from the top (above the diaphram). I assume this is so a hose can be connected to expel gasoline to a safe area when the pump ruptures. Is this tube normally left open (un-connected to anything) or is a venting hose normally ran somewhere? If so, where?
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