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    Posted: June-18-2009 at 3:59am
Have five kids who went to college. First two got PC's; last three got Macs. Macs way better. Definitely get the Macs.
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phospher- Hey, I should try installing freebsd!

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you should most certainly go with the mac. unix is far superior to windows in most every way. i work as an IT security engineer and think FreeBSD (which os x is built on) is the best. actually, this site should be running on a freebsd server. as mentioned earlier the linux option with ubuntu is a good idea too. while i know a lot about linux i am like os x on the desktop and FreeBSD for all servers, firewalls, routers, etc..
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Best of luck.

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Guys....I appreciate all the help. We ended up buying my son the MacBook mentioned above for $900. It was fully loaded with software, and includes a warranty through next year.

The guy we bought it from showed us the reciept and it was a $1700 computer when new. So, more than I really wanted to spend, but, a pretty good value at the end of the day. Probably more horsepower than he'll need, but, its there if he does.   
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and thanks dad, im not a geek
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The macbook that you mentioned sounds just like the one I use. The great thing about that one is that it has a 160 GB hard drive instead of the 120 that I have. As my dad mentioned I am upgrading because of a lack of hard drive space. The macbook is a great deal especially because it has microsoft office installed. which costs you 150 at the store. He should have a great time with that computer.
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Steve;

I did call the Eastern Illinois U. bookstore. They had a similiar deal going on....buy a Mac and get an ipod for free (after rebate). We don't really need the iPods, but, sounds like a neat deal.

I just went to pick up my boat, and was discussing computers with some folks at the farm where I stored it. They work in education. One person was a PC person, and the other indicated Mac (for all the reasons that have been discussed here). They definately said to go with the additional warranty.
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Chiming in late here, but this discussion is current around our house (3 Macs currently).
My son (waterskier2007) is a junior at U of M and has been using his Mac laptop (I couldn't even guess what model) without a hitch. He has been working with PC's at his summer job for the past 5 years.
We had promised to replace his Jeep Wrangler, with 175,000 miles, if his grades were at a certain level. Well, he crushed the grades. But instead of a new car, he wants the new MacBook Pro, with some upgrades I can't even describe. (and no, he's not a geek)
Looks like we're heading to the Apple store.

BTW, I told him that I get the free Ipod touch.
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Joel....I have been looking at so many machines that I am starting to drive myself (and my son) crazy. Trying to find a machine that meets his needs, has up to date technology, and isn't priced too high is a tough task and time consuming. (Did I mention that I throw nickels around as if they were man-hole covers:)? That one is more than I wanted to spend, but, maybe its worth it at the end of the day.

On that warranty, I went back and read the ad again, and it didn't say how much longer it had to go. The guy did say he bought an extended warranty, and that it is transferable. I will have to check on exactly how much time is left.

Well, its time to go get the Southwind out of storage this morning, and start putting the old girl back together again.
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This sounds like a solid machine, plus the Applecare warranty is awesome (but only lasts 3 years past the date of original purchase). Why buy twice? I'd get the most horsepower you can afford right now. Plus with this one you're getting iLIfe 09 and Office 2008, 2GB RAM, nice big HD, etc.
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Yeah, I am thinking this one is a bit high powered for what he needs. If I may use an analogy, why buy him a 2000 hp Ferrari, when he just needs a solid Chevy Impala to get him around town. I may actually buy him an iBook G3 or G4 to get him started, and then move up from there.
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That sounds like a good notebook (I don't know if it's a good deal for an Apple), should be more than enough for what he needs- unless he really multitasks a lot (and I mean several resource-heavy programs at once, which it sounds like isn't going to happen) that thing shouldn't even break a sweat (If I'm allowed to use that cliche :-) ).
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Chris....Thanks for the advice on the Mac. What model Mac did you go with, and which one would you have gone with if you had it to do over again? My son only wants it for word processing, iTunes, and surfing the web primarily. No heavy duty video editing, etc.

I have now started to focus in in the iBook, and MacBook. I just don't want to spend money for a unit that will be too much for what he really needs.

I did find a MacBook here in the Chicago area that may be too much for what he needs. What do you guys think of the specs on this one? It sounds like its got all the up-to-date goodies on it that the guys on this post have recommended. The guy wants $900 firm. It also includes the remaining three years of the four year warranty.

Comes with:

* Apple MacBook with 13.3" Display

* MagSafe power adapter, AC wall plug, power cord and lithium-polymer battery

* Software: Time Machine, Quick Look, iLife '09 (includes iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, GarageBand) and more

* Display cleaning cloth

* Owner's manual

* original box

* Microsoft Office Home and Student Edition 2008

* Apple Care Protection Plan !!!!!

Specs:

# Intel Core2 Duo mobile processor

With 1066MHz frontside bus, 3MB shared L2 cache and 2.0GHz processor speed.

# 2GB DDR2 SoDIMM SDRAM

For multitasking power, expandable to 4GB.

# Slot-loading multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW SuperDrive

With double-layer support records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video using compatible DVD+R DL and DVD-R DL media.

# 13.3" widescreen TFT-LCD display

With 1280 x 800 resolution to bring your games and movies to life.

# 160GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)

Provides plenty of storage space and fast read/write times.

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   I have one semester left at Simpson College in Indianola, Iowa and had a pc for 3 of those years. I bought a MAC about half way through the first semester last year and I honestly think it made school work much easier! Only regret I have is that I bought it too early....they came out with a new one about 2 weeks after I bought mine!

I would wait until he is registered at school and go in to the mac store and see how much of a discount he would get...I think I got about 150 bucks off plus free software! Tell him to be patient and good things will come!!
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Hi 91Nautique,

One of the guys in the TV studio here at work also works part-time at an Apple store. He's the one that told me that, at the time, my Mac with the version of iLife I had wouldn't take video via USB.

The other issue we discovered was with the Sony camcorder I had, it transmited the video using MPEG2, which iLife did not support.

My big complaints were that it wasn't a simple 'plug and play' process, like Apple’s Ads suggest. And, of course, the kid in the Apple store should have taken the time to explain things to his technologically challenged customer...

My original post was meant to warn davidg to be sure, if he gets a Mac, to be sure it does what he wants it to do… I should have been clearer in my original post.

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Originally posted by Tim D Tim D wrote:

A Mac will not get a virus because there is no viruses written to work.


That's not entirely true- turns out that just like with most Windows malware, Mac OS (insert version here) is vulnerable to end-user stupidity (think pirated software p2p networks, install software, software turns out to be malware type of thing). However, because Macintosh OSes are based on *nix (or more specifically, BSD I believe) it is possible to keep one almost 100% secure, you just have to be smart about it- don't run with admin rights, don't install untrusted software etc.

Fun fact of the day- the very first "virus" to reproduce itself on many computers was actually on Mackintoshes- because the floppy drive was controlled by software instead of hardware (Apple still hasn't seemed to have gotten the message), the virus wouldn't let the operating system eject the floppy until both the computer and the floppy had the malicious file... Several hand changes later you have several infected machines.

P.S. I just couldn't help getting into an operating system discussion. It's too much fun.
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If you get a pc, get one with XP. Vista was rushed out to compete with Macs latest OS. You can go to Office Depot and see that XP cost more than Vista. A Mac will not get a virus because there is no viruses written to work. Bill Gates likes viruses, cause every anti virus that works with windows has to pay royalties to microsoft.
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David

If your buying a used Mac, get the seller to quote the serial number on the machine (apple icon-top left hand corner-click about this mac) and go to the apple website and confirm what Mac your looking at.

You can also get an estimate as to its value here

http://www.mac2sell.net/

You can also get refurbished macs here

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY

Student pricing here

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY

and clearance prices here

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/clearance?mco=MTE3Njg

QUOTE=81nautique] I'm not very proficiant on a Mac but when I use it I feel like I'm driving a ferrari then I get back on pc laptop and strap into the horse and buggy.[/QUOTE]

That about sums it up...

66Skylark -- my nephew is using a USB video camera and imovie, have you tried a different USB cable?

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Dave, Talked to my son last night, he has a Mac Book Pro 2.4g with iWork. Absolutely loves it. Only thing he said to think about was to get the microsoft office package instead of Iwork as it's a little easier to open files than import and convert them, not a big deal but thought it should be mentioned. The price included the laptop, software and a four year warranty that included everything even if it's dropped it gets repaired or replaced.

I'm not very proficiant on a Mac but when I use it I feel like I'm driving a ferrari then I get back on pc laptop and strap into the horse and buggy.
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I have an iMac and love it.

The only problem I had was with the pimply-faced kid I dealt with in the Apple store the day I bought it. He sold me on an iMac, touting the benefits of the iLife software. Unfortunately (for me), he failed to mention that iMovie will not accept video via USB. I needed a video camera with a firewire connection. Just be aware that – contrary to their Ads – not everything “just kind of works with a Mac…”

If you decide to buy new, Apple often has discounts or promotions for teachers and students. When I bought my Mac they were offering a free iPod to teachers and students.

Good luck!
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The guy is misinformed and/or lying to you on several fronts.

The first generation Apple with Intel Chips were released in January 2006 and that was in the Mac Pro.

Apple has no exclusive agreement with Intel for use of the Pentium chip. Most of the world used the pentium chip. Apple did decide that it would move forward exclusively with the Intel chip as opposed to the IBM/Motorola chip it has used for years.

I would stay far away from this used computer.

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On #1, the guy told me it is a 2004, which he said is the first year (2004-2006) that Apple had an exclusive deal with Intel to use their Pentium chip. It is definately advertised as a Powerbook G4, and not a MacBook. Not sure if his info is accurate or not.
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#1 sounded OK but if it's Intel it should be called a Macbook.
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Yes, The son I am buying the Mac for graduated from Cary-Grove last year, and spent this year at McHenry County College.

I take it none of the three Mac's above sound like great deals. #1 sounds like the best deal..ie...most power, and has the Intel chips.

I will try searching using the term MacBook or MacBook Pro to see what I can find.

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Cary IL huh? Does your kid go to Cary-Grove? Search Chicago craigslist for only the word "Macbook". Should be plenty of solid sub-1000.00 offerings there. OSX Leopard + iLife 09 + iWork comes in one package for around 175 bucks so I wouldn't be terribly worried about the software. I'd just get the most horsepower Macbook or Macbook Pro that you can find.
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Sounds like we have some real Mac (and PC) experts on here. As mentioned, my son really wants to go the Mac route, so I have given up looking for a PC. New Macs are really pricey. I have found a few Macs around Chicago on Craigslist. I want to see what you guys think is the best bang for the buck on the following three Macs.

1.)PowerBook G4/1.5 Ghz (Intel)/15" screen/SuperDrive 1095/100GB HD/768 MB RAM/CD-DVD/Bluetooth/WiFi/Mic/iLife 04/iTunes/iPhoto/iMovie/......$600 (one owner who wants to upgrade)

2.) iMac G4/Leopard/iLife/800 MGh/40G HD/CD-DVD/iMovie/iPhoto/iTunes/Word Suite/15" Screen/Would downgrade to Tiger 10.4 if desired.....$200 (sounds like a one owner system)

3.) iMac G4/Wireless/1.5 GHz/80GB HD/CD-DVD/12' screen/Tiger 10.4/No Software....$400 (individual who buys and resells lots of computers...not exactly sure of background on this unit).

I hope I have all those specs right, but, you probably get the gist. Just curious what the Mac experts out there think of these three offerings I found. I would like to by a system that will last my son for his college career, and not have to buy a new unit in 1-2 years.

I would like to hear your opinions.

Thanks!

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Now that's funny Joel. You and I both know I can barely operate a computer. But, I have been in the business for years and lived through the OS change at Sun. BKH
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Originally posted by bkhallpass bkhallpass wrote:

Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

Only Apple has (had) the guts to trash an entire platform and start from scratch with OS X! That move pissed a lot of people off who had to buy all new software but it was well worth it.


Well, not exactly. Sun Microsystems trashed Sun OS in favor of Solaris in the Mid 90s. It caused a huge uproar, but it was necessary to go to the next level in performance and reliability. Sun also spent billion ensuring backward compatibility of every version of Solaris thereafter. Hardware did not have to be compatible, but software did.

I would argue that Microsoft trashes the OS everytime it comes out with a new flavor. Pretty much everyone I know is looking at big upgrade or migration costs of their application packages if they make a decision to move to the latest release of the Microsoft OS.

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Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

Only Apple has (had) the guts to trash an entire platform and start from scratch with OS X! That move pissed a lot of people off who had to buy all new software but it was well worth it.


Well, not exactly. Sun Microsystems trashed Sun OS in favor of Solaris in the Mid 90s. It caused a huge uproar, but it was necessary to go to the next level in performance and reliability. Sun also spent billion ensuring backward compatibility of every version of Solaris thereafter. Hardware did not have to be compatible, but software did.

I would argue that Microsoft trashes the OS everytime it comes out with a new flavor. Pretty much everyone I know is looking at big upgrade or migration costs of their application packages if they make a decision to move to the latest release of the Microsoft OS.

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