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    Posted: March-25-2010 at 5:30pm
Do you have to just loosen the bolts or do you have to take them al the way out?
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mine had a flange welded to the pylon and 4 countersink headed screws went through that with a plate under the deck and then there was another bolt cross pined thru the female socket and male pin on the pylon. I guess I missed the year and was going by how it was on mine. If it has an engine craddle then It's little different and the pylon is clamped through the front of the craddle or at least it was on the 81, thought we where discussing a 77.
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They may have started adding the bolt that goes through the pin around '80, but neither my '78 Tique nor our '79 BFN had one. Its quite possible that CC was inconsistent.

If the pylon is spinning, then the bolt is not in the socket, no big deal. Chris, enlighten us- what 5 bolts are you talking about? I cant think of anything that would cause damage from spinning. His '84 should not have a flange on the pylon that bolts through the floor like the earlier boats.
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So if the whole pylon is spinning, I have a serious issue?
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Chris,

Thanks, you are correct and confusing Male and Female parts is not a mistake that I want to make. LOL !!

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It's actaully a female socket glassed to the hull and a male pin on the bottom of the pylon.
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Originally posted by tedrowtown tedrowtown wrote:

To remove the pylon, do you just lossen the four bolts and it just pulls out?


At the very bottom of the Pylon, there should be a bolt that keeps the Pylon from spinning. If just the ring and finger are spinning you need to apply upward force like Chris and Pete said. I had to use a come-a-long to pull mine out while I twised.

If you remove the four bolts and the bolt that is at the very bottom you can remove the entire pylon. There is a metal male tab that is fiberglassed to the hull of the bottom that it sits on. The thru bolt secures it to the male tab.

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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Troy,
When you say the complete pylon is turning when you twist the ring/finger, the lower mount must be loose. Take a closer look and get back to us.

Just as Chris mentioned above, you need to get some upward pressure besides the twisting.


I guess if it's the whole pylon, I assumed it was just the ring and finger, but hope the five bolts are removed on the lower section of the pylon otherwise sounds like the floor is damaged now and the one bolt is sheared off in the bilge.
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Troy,
When you say the complete pylon is turning when you twist the ring/finger, the lower mount must be loose. Take a closer look and get back to us.

Just as Chris mentioned above, you need to get some upward pressure besides the twisting.


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if you've got it moving then you need more upward force as your twisting it.
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I'm attempting to take my ring off, got the pins out, but the pylon just spins when I use a big bar to break it loose. Is the pylon hollow? Could I stick a pipe through it and knock the ring out? To remove the pylon, do you just lossen the four bolts and it just pulls out?
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I recently removed my ring so that I could instal a skylon. Before having a chance to purchase PB Blaster, a friend gave me a small bottle of a penetrating oil called "Kroil." According to the gun nuts, this penetrating oil will free just about anything metal. I applied it, returned 24 hours later, and was able to remove one of the pins. Applied a few more drops of Kroil, and returned 8 hours later to remove the second pin. I dropped a few drops of Kroil down the top of the pylon, and returned 24 hours later. I used a wooden axe handle, and was able to turn the hoop 1/8 of a turn clockwise. I reversed direction, and had a free spinning hoop. With a little upward pressure, the hoop came up with no damage. After reading so many horror stories, I was happy mine came up so easy. I don't know if I would have had similar luck with PB blaster, however, if the pb blaster doesn't work, a little Kroil might do the trick.

On a side note, I purchased a used skylon that came with the red pylon protective sleeve. I have a 87 ski nautique. Can anyone tell me which color of protective sleeve I need because the red sleeve seems too thick.

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if i get a chance ill get a pic
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he drinks to much beer to be rational, he tappped the ring and and bolted it to the back of his truck and said now who on ccf has that
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actually pete he is not a member but he does read the threads and believe me he did try all the suggestions he lifted the whole boat up with a come along and let it hang for a day after he soaked it with blaster ,so he took mattters into his own hands ,i relly cant say i blame him ,he cut it off and put on his fly high and then he was happy and said if i sell the boat the fly high can go with
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Originally posted by davee40 davee40 wrote:

my neighbhor tried to get his to break loose out of a 78 SN for week tryed it all finally he took a hacksaw to it!!!


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Your neighbor must not know about CCfan!!

BTW, if you need any help, don't ask him!! You know where to go for help!!


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my neighbhor tried to get his to break loose out of a 78 SN for week tryed it all finally he took a hacksaw to it!!!
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Update.

I finally made it up to my father's home and took some time to work on the Pilon. My boat is in a three sided six bay Tractor Shed with wooded rafters. I put a landscape timber over four rafters and connected a Come-A-Long to the Timber and Pilon. I put some tenson on the pilon and spun the Ringer and broken finger with a black cast iron water pipe from Lowes. My 74 years old father was on one side of the boat and I was on the other side twisting the ring back and forth. We twisted and jacked the ring out of the Pilon. It was not easy, but it came out. There is no way in heck that it would of come out with out pulling up on it with the come-a-long. However, be careful not to pull too hard to crack the fiberglass where the pilon mounts. You just need a little upward pressure.

I will clean up the hole and the new used ring and finger before I reinstall. I need to get some Stainless Steel Roll Pins. Anti-Seize wil be used when I reinstall in a few weeks.

Thanks for everyones help. House remodeling has slowed me up.

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I know how those lists can be!
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I have my boat stored at my father's home ( 1 hour away) for the winter. I hope to remove my ring in the next few weeks. Honey do list has been keeping me away from it.

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I have a Skylon and I used WD40 drove the roll pins out and twisted it right out. I spent about 15 minutes.
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Dwcar,

No not yet. I winterized the boat several weeks ago and I took it to my father's shed / barn. My father's home is 55 minutes from my house. I spent all summer on the water so I am now catching up on home repair stuff. I just have not taken the time to go to my father and try to pull it out.

I am going to use a cumberlong from his rafters in his shop and use the steel pipe to try to work it out under some heat. I have a great Ring and finger to install so I am going to try to go this route.

I will try to get up to his place in the next few weeks to pull it out. I will let everyone know how it turns out.

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did you ever get the ring out?
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Guys,

Thanks for the help. I am going to try this coming weekend to take the boat to my father's shop ( 1 hour away) and attach a come-a-long to the rafters and apply some tension. I will then heat it and twist it till it comes out. I will let you guys know what happens.

I really want to stay with the orginal style ring and finger and I payed a high price to get a used one a few months ago. I really want to use it to keep it all orginal.

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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Donald80SN Donald80SN wrote:

I will be up crap creek if I break this ring trying to get it out. I am going to try some heat and some pull. If that does not work I will then pull the pilon out and really put the heat to it. Donald


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No you won't be up "crap creek" Worst case you'll end up taking it to a machine shop. They will clamp it up in a vertical or horizontal boring mill and machine it out!!!

Heating may give you a slight advantage but not for long. Heat expands metal but it won't take long for the ring/finger shank to heat up and expand as well. The only advantage is aluminum expands more!! The pull with a come-a-long while twisting back and forth is a better option.


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The best thing to do is take the pylon with the ring/finger out and put a standard pylon in. When its time to sell the boat either put the ring/finger back in or ????

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Originally posted by Donald80SN Donald80SN wrote:

I will be up crap creek if I break this ring trying to get it out. I am going to try some heat and some pull. If that does not work I will then pull the pilon out and really put the heat to it. Donald


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No you won't be up "crap creek" Worst case you'll end up taking it to a machine shop. They will clamp it up in a vertical or horizontal boring mill and machine it out!!!

Heating may give you a slight advantage but not for long. Heat expands metal but it won't take long for the ring/finger shank to heat up and expand as well. The only advantage is aluminum expands more!! The pull with a come-a-long while twisting back and forth is a better option.


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I will have a standard pylon available sometime next week if you don't want to mess with taking the ring off.

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Guy,

Thanks for the advice. I will be up crap creek if I break this ring trying to get it out. I am going to try some heat and some pull. If that does not work I will then pull the pilon out and really put the heat to it.

All advice is greatly appreciated.

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Just take the whole pylon out.

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Donald 80,
My buddy put heat to the aluminum tow bar. I saw another post where they did the same thing. They put it between two trees and a cumalong on one end. I would not do the twisting with just PB blaster.

go with heat and some sort of pull!!
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