Forums
NautiqueParts.comGet Your 2025 CCF Calendar Now
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - FCT tower project!!
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

FCT tower project!!

 Post Reply Post Reply Page   12>
Author
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: FCT tower project!!
    Posted: January-20-2010 at 9:16am
Originally posted by nau7iqu9 nau7iqu9 wrote:

Pete, this will probably be more descriptive


Sure looks like the platform has been moved up on the transom for some reason. Wet foam so it was under water??

To plug old holes, the inside is filled with resin and the outside filled with gelcoat. Sanded flush and buffed out.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Hollywood View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: February-04-2004
Location: Twin Lakes, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 13517
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hollywood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 11:51pm
Originally posted by Waterdog Waterdog wrote:

3M makes a pin stripe eraser, it's a 1/2 X 4in. wheel you chuck in a drill.


Originally posted by form&function form&function wrote:

I started by stripping the old stickers with a 3M eraser wheel,






Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 11:24pm
Pete, this will probably be more descriptive

Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21189
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Now, considering the condition of your stringers, there's a good chance that the wood behind the brackets is bad too. Pull the tank and take a look. The top fastening should be through bolted and the bottoms lagged or large sheet metal screws.

CC didnt always through bolt top of platform brackets- though I do agree its a good idea to do so when reinstalling. Thats assuming they enter above floor height- which they should (but it may be close!). None of the boats Ive taken apart have any plywood backers though. Depending on the thickness of the hull at that point, I may not even bother adding them. The Tique was about 1/2" thick (all glass) so I just used large fender washers. Thats all that was used on my '90 from the factory.
Back to Top
Waterdog View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: April-27-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2020
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Waterdog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 1:57pm
3M makes a pin stripe eraser, it's a 1/2 X 4in. wheel you chuck in a drill. It dosen't harm the substreight under vinyl stripes on cars. Thou I haven't tried it on sealant, I think it would work. A fiberglass scraper will work. I don't want to tell you to use a putty knife but if you do be REAL CAREFUL.
- waterdog -

78 Ski Tique

Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by storm34 storm34 wrote:

Pete, Would using epoxy be sufficient when refastening a platform bolt?


Chris,
Are you asking about rebuilding the hole or sealing the hole? For sealing, I wouldn't use epoxy but rather something with some flex to it like the 4200 mentioned.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
storm34 View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: November-03-2008
Location: Dexter Iowa
Status: Offline
Points: 4493
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote storm34 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 1:09pm
Pete, Would using epoxy be sufficient when refastening a platform bolt?
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 11:02am
Originally posted by nau7iqu9 nau7iqu9 wrote:

It looks like theres a combination of sealants built up around mounting points any suggestions on removing them safely from the gel?


Shaun,
Considering there's a combination of sealants, I'd have to say the PO tried to do a half a$$ job of sealing out water. They make not have even been leaking but the PO must have thought there was a problem. I suggest removing them completely and then refastening them with some decent sealer like 3M 4200. NO silicone!!! You can not seal a leak up by glopping stuff on the outside.

Now, considering the condition of your stringers, there's a good chance that the wood behind the brackets is bad too. Pull the tank and take a look. The top fastening should be through bolted and the bottoms lagged or large sheet metal screws.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 10:25am
I agree on removing the platform I'm planning on leaving it attached until most of the top and sides are sanded so I can put a little more elbow into it. I also want to polish the supports like I did my mirror brackets. It looks like theres a combination of sealants built up around mounting points any suggestions on removing them safely from the gel?
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 8:54am
Shaun,
I suggest unscrewing the platform from the brackets and do the work on it off the boat. It will be easier and you'll be able to do all sides with the oil. Some have also had problems with getting the oil on the gel of the hull. Won't hurt it but a PITA to get off.

Andy,
Don't you trust your butt welding? Pipe fitters do it all day long! Actually, sleeving isn't a bad idea but I would question getting a tight enough fit for it to do ang good without plug welding each end.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Andy View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-27-2008
Location: M'boro, TN
Status: Offline
Points: 382
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 1:40am
Umm maybe its just me. If someone brought me something in tube and I had to cut and splice it, I'd probably just sleeve it and not worry. A butt probably isn't the best solution, structurally. I'm just sayin'. Then you could sand it smooth and never see it.
My Blue 82SOLD!
Back to Top
PLBC View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: January-25-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 568
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PLBC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 1:27am
Here is where the tower spent its first 10 years, now jumping back 20 model years from a 99 to a 79.
99
Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-19-2010 at 12:52am
Thanks Guys
Sunday's progress..

Polished and repainted mirror/round 1 of many on my platform



Back to Top
Donald80SN View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: January-12-2009
Location: Denver, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 3896
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Donald80SN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 8:59pm
I love the two tone on your interior.

Nice.

Donald
Back to Top
gn6027 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October-15-2006
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 192
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gn6027 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 8:11pm
Don't confuse tubing with pipe. Tubing is traditionally thin wall, and pipe is thicker. Tube is also typically traditional in OD; 1/2", 3/4", 1", etc., where pipe is oddball in OD and comes in either schedule 40 or schedule 80.

Wall thickness on tubing probably doesn't get heavier than 1/16" or maybe 1/8". Pipe wall is typically thicker than 1/8".

My tower was made from aluminum sch 40 pipe (OD = 1.900" which is 1 1/2" pipe).

Your Gen 1 FCT tower might be made from tubing rather than pipe, I just don't know. If you have a set of calipers or micrometer, measure the OD.

As for the alloy, I'd bet 6061.

I agree with bkhallpass, I think cutting 4" or so out of the top & re-shaping the legs would probably do it.

From my experience, cut off the mounting feet, and re-weld them to fit the shape of the deck of your boat perfectly.

My $0.02.

Glen
Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 7:06pm
I guess why I asked about the tubing was because I'd like make the fabrication as unnoticeable as possible so i thought about possibly making a new crossbar instead of shortening and scabbing it together, just a thought probably not reality.

Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by Waterdog Waterdog wrote:

6061 is a good choice how about 5052 ?


The 5052 may not be the greatest choice. It's forming and working is better but thats because it's yield strength and hardness is lower than the 6061. The biggest problem is you may find it's not available in many tubing sizes. It's typically used for small dia. soft tube applications


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
bkhallpass View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: March-29-2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4723
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bkhallpass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 2:52pm
I'm not seeing why you will need to add material. Looks to me like you are going to need to cut about 4 inches our of the top bar on each side of the tow mounts, and reweld the tubes together. Perhaps a little bedin on the mounting legs. BKH
Livin' the Dream

Back to Top
Waterdog View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: April-27-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2020
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Waterdog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 12:26pm
6061 is a good choice how about 5052 ?
- waterdog -

78 Ski Tique

Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 10:36am
Kurt,
Thanks for hookin me up! The tower was some good motivation. I Restored my mirror last night and spent 2 hours sanding on my swim platform. We'll definitely be seeing you around this summer, lookin forward to it.
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 9:08am
Originally posted by nau7iqu9 nau7iqu9 wrote:

Pete,
Any idea what alloy CC used for my fct1 in case i need some tubing?


I don't know what was used originally but I can take a good guess at it. 6061 is available in tube, would give you the weldability needed, a decent yield strength, mid range hardness and still be a alloy that can be bend without too much of a problem (with proper equipment/mandrels). It's corrosion resistance isn't as good as some others but still very good. If it was around salt water, it would need anodizing.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
JoeinNY View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: October-19-2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5698
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JoeinNY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 12:25am
Thats a pretty serious boat congrats, where are the pictures?
1983 Ski Nautique 2001
1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
Holeshot Video
Back to Top
PLBC View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: January-25-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 568
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PLBC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 12:13am
99 Air, now essentially a Sport
99
Back to Top
JoeinNY View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: October-19-2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5698
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JoeinNY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-18-2010 at 12:09am

What boat was this on Kurt?
1983 Ski Nautique 2001
1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy"
Holeshot Video
Back to Top
PLBC View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: January-25-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 568
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PLBC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-17-2010 at 11:30pm
Shaun,
Keep the pics coming as the project proceeds. You got a deal, I got a tower off my boat and cash, win win. See you around this summer.

Kurt
99
Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-17-2010 at 9:19pm
Pete,
Any idea what alloy CC used for my fct1 in case i need some tubing?
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-17-2010 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by malibud malibud wrote:

If you use aluminum you have to get the right gauge I think it 4000.   


4000 what? Gauge?

Are you referring to a 4000 alloy?

Just for everyone's information if someone is thinking of fabrication, a 4032 aluminum is:
Medium hard, is just under the half way point of all aluminum's in yield strength, not a alloy that is recommended for welding, has fair corrosion resistance, very poor forming and workability qualities but does machine well.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
malibud View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member


Joined: July-08-2009
Location: north carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 613
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote malibud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-17-2010 at 12:15pm
My tower was built by the PO it looks sharp . when I pull it out of the garage I will post pictures. It is aluminum . If you use aluminum you have to get the right gauge I think it 4000. The hardest thing is finding a shop w/ a mandrel. Muffler bender will work but very tough.
Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-17-2010 at 11:34am
Thanks Glen, I was trying to find a 2nd gen fct, but this was a deal I couldn't pass up.
Back to Top
nau7iqu9 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-07-2009
Location: Port Orange, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 135
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nau7iqu9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-17-2010 at 11:31am
Pete,
   Alan stopped by last Sunday and the stringers are solid for the time being seeing as I'll be using a tower but in order to repair the pylon and build a cradle he feels the stringers and the floor will be necessary.
I'm thinking that will be next winters project.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page   12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Copyright 2024 | Bagley Productions, LLC