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    Posted: March-30-2010 at 11:49am
Throttle forward now! Must work every week night, I have been spring skiing on the weekends, yes Buffalo still has snow!

This week I'm working on the cross braces, I am trying to make a bit of under floor storage, maybe even a cooler between the toe kick and the pylon.

After the cross braces are done it should be warm enough to roll her outside to clean, paint the bilge and start on the floor. The floor will be a combination of Nida-Core and marine plywood.

Its been a long winter, thank God for that! I needed the 9 months of snow to get this all done.

From what I can see there are 3 of us doing stringer jobs this winter.
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Looking good. You're getting close. I bet you're starting to feel anxious and excited like I am.
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Started side 2 heading for home plate
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Gotta take care of the wife on Valentines weekend so you don't end up sleeping on the boat!


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Gotta take care of the wife on Valentines weekend so you don't end up sleeping on the boat!
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Pulling the stringer on the other side this week, both the wood main and my composit Nida-Core secondary are all made up. I am going to re-foam where my composits are and infront of the mains in the bow too. I am not going to put any foam next to the wood mains. I had to do a bit of work to keep the wife happy this weekend, but hope to jump back in the boat now. I have a new interior being sent up from Christines this month and my carpet came in last week. Motor go's out this week to a buddy for a new rear main and head gaskets only - I hope. I will post the pic.s of all of it.
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Kinda quiet over here. Must have been working all weekend. Looks great!
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Sticking it down... I start with a layer of 1-1/2oz mat, then 18oz Roving then another layer of 1-1/2oz mat all step tabbed about 4" to the hull.
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First Main made and bed in
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I like the flotation foam only beacuse where I do my boating I can get swamped by the occational 50' Sea Ray. BUT I am only putting the foam cavities next to the Nida-core composit secondary stringers and in the bow in front of the kick plate. I am also up-grading the bilge pump from 500gph to 2-1,000gph one in the orig. location with 1-1/8" hose and thru hull and I am adding another in the stern that can auto pump out while on plane. I have taken a lot of water over the windshied on the hot days and kinda supprised the water logged foam still worked for me - been lucky!
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hey eagle, whats Mr. Franken's opinion on flotation foam?
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Pretty much the exact process I am using. The power hand planar is a great tool. I left my channel in and feathered just like you are describing.
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Yes, I used a cut off wheel to cut the skin all the way around the old stringer, it pops right out with a couple of hits with a hammer and a crow bar. First I cleaned the channel with a steel brush and acidtone then I grind the inside and I feather grind the outside thick at the bottom and thin at the top. To maket the fillet radius, just grind a 3/4" round on a plastic puddy knife and mix up a peanut butter type thickened resin, pull along the channel at the hull to make the fillet. This will ensure not air pockets when you laminate the stringer in. I round over the top of the stringer too, that way the glass gos over the top with out air pockets too.
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Are going to leave that channel and bed back down into it? Are you still grinding down to the mat? If so do you grind inside the channel and outside to get better adhesion? Leaving the channel like that is attractive to me as I have never been accused of being really accurate,and the guide would make laying the new stringer fool proof. How do you filet it in with the channel there?

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The Power Planer worked great, it was a big time saver. After I traced the old stringer I rough cut it with my skill saw then power planed it to the line. I rounded the top of the stringer with my router and a 3/4" round over bit for the glass to follow over the top easier. While the old stringer was clamped up to the new one as a template I drilled the hole for the steering cable mount and located the motor mounts points as well. Yesterday I cleaned the channel and did all the grinding needed to get ready for a dry fit and mix up some thickened resin for a 3/4" filet radius at the channel to hull. Then I will use a slurry of waterproof glass fiber filler in the channel and bed the stringer in with one layer of mat on the edge.
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thats the first power planer i have seen on this site, excellent tool
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Thanks BKH. I will check those out. After reading hundreds of thread pages and some very helpful emails from the guys here, I have learned so much. My thread is Stringer Questions 73 Skier and am showing the world the mess I got into. I am pulling the engine this week and getting it down to the hull as quick as I can!
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Are there any books out there on restringing boats that anybody recommends? I have read so many threads my eyes are popping out. I need a good old fashioned book. "Stringers for dummies" would be great!


"The Fiberglass Boat Repair Manual" by Alan H. Vaitses is not bad. It discusses polyester and epoxy resins, though the author does acknowledge that about 95% of repairs are done with polyester because it is cheaper.

I also have a video called "Fiberglass Repair" by a guy named Will Borden. It is about and hour and half long. It's kind of nice to see someone working with the materials. www.fiberglass-repair.com.

Both are a few years old but they were recommended to me by DavidF who used to be very active on this site, and was really excellent with fiberglass work.

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That is nice work! The new pictures will really help me. Just getting started with the demo and am looking forward to being where you are at. Is that a hand planer you used to scribe? Looks like it eats some wood!
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Ready to dry fit
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The main stringer was an easy pop out and after I cleaned the channel I did a little grind to make it bed ready for dry fit and fool proof placement. On to the Mains
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Lay up schedule mat/roving/mat/roving 2 layers of each complete encapsulation of a structural core stringer material that will never rot. 1 down 3 to go.
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Originally posted by 65 'cuda 65 'cuda wrote:

I can tell you from experience that cutting a long radius in an LVL is not the easiest task. They are easy to cut with circular saw, but all the glue creates a lot of heat with a reciprocating blade, also the pressure on the blade tends to be one sided while cutting the arc, further heating up that side of the blade creating more tendency for the blade to "walk". Just my .02


Were you trying to use a jig/bayonet saw? That could be the problem as I really don't consider them to be a HD tool nor can you get blades made for the thicker material. A sawsall with a coarse blade (3 or 4 TPI) for roughing shouldn't be a problem and then a power hand planer will go real long way with shaping!! Of course you could also see if a friend has a band saw!


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I can tell you from experience that cutting a long radius in an LVL is not the easiest task. They are easy to cut with circular saw, but all the glue creates a lot of heat with a reciprocating blade, also the pressure on the blade tends to be one sided while cutting the arc, further heating up that side of the blade creating more tendency for the blade to "walk". Just my .02
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Where in NC are you located? You could always do the floor/foam removal and have Race City do the stringers if you're not up to the task.

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Keegan,
If you call around to a "normal" lumber yard you want to ask for some decent 2x(then width needed) construction in Doug Fir. You will want to be able to had pick some good looking boards. Asking them the moisture content isn't a bad idea ether. It should be about 10% or lower. If you end up having to look for it at more of a specialty/hardwood supplier then you will want to ask for 8/4 if they don't understand the 2x refference. In ether case, a 2x and 8/4 will have a finish thickness of 1&1/2".

I'm not aware of any books out there. If there is one then it may even talk about using polyester resin!! Don't!! You best bet is to re read the threads here on the site.


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The only thing bad about oak is the weight. However, it MUST be White Oak (Quercus alba). Even though a stringer job includes CPES and careful epoxy/glass work, any other variety will rot if it sees any moisture.

I'd sure consider the LVL if you can't find the Doug Fir.


I am pretty sure I can get it here in town, but I do not even know what to ask for to even start calling around yet. A restoration contractor I know who specializes in water damage said I should use LVL. He said he had never seen it fail(In houses not boats), and was weary of them when they first came out. I was telling him that it had been discussed on this site quite a bit, but who has done it? I guess for me it would come down to price and difficulty of working with the materials LVL is pretty easy to cut from what I understand from my friend. The nidacor looks nice but if it takes twice the glass that will kill my budget and time frame.

Are there any books out there on restringing boats that anybody recommends? I have read so many threads my eyes are popping out. I need a good old fashioned book. "Stringers for dummies" would be great!
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Ok thanks I see now in the pictures you left in the main stringers while you did the secondaries. It looks nice and clean! I did look at the website a minute yesterday before I posted to see what it was all about. Very versatile stuff they put out.
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Getting ready to re-string my 73 skier. What is the price difference between the nidacor vs douglas fir? How was it to work with?
I am only using the Nidacor for the secondary stringers on the main stringers I am going with doug fir so I never looked at the price difference. Nidacor H8PP is very easy to work with, I have used it for 7yrs. now mostly for flooring, engine hatches, some bulk heads, deck core and a wind farring once too. The only issue with it is fasterns require some sort of insert or over bore and filling. Nidacor has a great website with lots of how too - check it out!
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Keegan,
The only thing bad about oak is the weight. However, it MUST be White Oak (Quercus alba). Even though a stringer job includes CPES and careful epoxy/glass work, any other variety will rot if it sees any moisture.

I'd sure consider the LVL if you can't find the Doug Fir.


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