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    Posted: March-22-2010 at 7:42pm
Yeah, it's funny. When you look at that PM article, 4 out of the 6 boats look identical. The Nautique and the Supra are kinda doing their own things, but the other 4 are pretty close to the same.
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Originally posted by harddock harddock wrote:

Originally posted by skicat2001 skicat2001 wrote:

Who made Ski Supremes and American Skier? In my opionion the only boats made better that Correct Crafts is Sanger, or Malibu.(Would never buy one though!) But Correct Crafts from the older style boats are just more solid and provide to many pluses than the others. From the late 70's to the early 90's, I love them Correct Crafts..



If you check history you'll find the MC started out of a SN, Supreme came off a MC, Centurion came off a Supreme etc. etc thats why they are all so similar.


Wow! I did not know that. Back in the late 80's, when I was learning to ski at a summer camp, they used Ski Supreme for there inboard boats. They where very similar loooking like MC. They put off a great wake I can remeber for a beginner tyring to learn how to ski. That whole family there I never really followed that whole family there, except Master Craft. But I would always see a Correct Craft come by the dock, my mouth was always wide open in shock of beauty and sound..
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Originally posted by skicat2001 skicat2001 wrote:

Who made Ski Supremes and American Skier? In my opionion the only boats made better that Correct Crafts is Sanger, or Malibu.(Would never buy one though!) But Correct Crafts from the older style boats are just more solid and provide to many pluses than the others. From the late 70's to the early 90's, I love them Correct Crafts..



If you check history you'll find the MC started out of a SN, Supreme came off a MC, Centurion came off a Supreme etc. etc thats why they are all so similar.
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Originally posted by Fl Inboards Fl Inboards wrote:

If you are intersted I have a very nice 98 Malibu Response LX on a aluminum single axle trailer comes with bimini,mooring cover barefoot boom and has been very metuclis about service 660 hours $12K OBO.
Can send Photos upon request and service records.


Monsoon? Terrific boat for the money. That's a great hull, pre-diamond or diamond, it's great either way.
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e-mail sent!
Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.




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Yes, I'd be interested to see pictures of the boat. Any idea how much it would cost to ship it to MA/NH?

Here is my email address: mrmullin@yahoo.com
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If you are intersted I have a very nice 98 Malibu Response LX on a aluminum single axle trailer comes with bimini,mooring cover barefoot boom and has been very metuclis about service 660 hours $12K OBO.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Ill keep on the lookout for you.


Ok, thanks, I appreciate that.

I've seen reference in some of the other forum topics that the v-drive's are harder to work on. Although, on that particular boat (93 BFN) it seems there's a pretty cavernous engine room.

My primary activity is slalom, but I guess I'm mainly looking for good all around water sports boat. My brother likes wakeboarding more, although I'm not buying the boat for him particularly or anything. I am looking at this one 93 Sport Nautique in CT that's just a little bit out of reach $$ wise.
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Yes, I was referring to the V-drive. My brother had a '91. Teriffic boat but not for slalom. The wake is large and hard. We had some great times in that boat though.
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I think perhaps 502Python was referring to the specific BFN that Bri was considering. A 93 V-Drive.

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I have never skied behind a Mastercraft, lots of Nautiques and loved there wake. But have heard stories that the older MC'S have a small wake, a dream to ski behind.
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Originally posted by 502Python 502Python wrote:

As a slalom skier, you will not be happy with the BFN. In fact, it's not even that great of a barefoot boat.

I suspect you think the wake is taller than ideal? Its hard to beat the table though...

We'll find out for sure this summer, but I suspect the larger wake on these boats can be largely attributed to the additional water weight theyre carrying around. We took over 500 lbs of water soaked foam and wood out of our '79. You wouldnt have known it was that heavy by its performance otherwise (it ran 56+). Im hoping the wake gets a bit smaller at footing speeds with the no-foam and composite construction. Ill let you know for sure this spring!

As far as the original poster is concerned, I wouldnt dismiss a mid 80's MC if slalom is your main pursuit. Thats about the only boat company that Ive been up close with that holds a candle as far as quality goes (Malibu isnt all that close). I still prefer the handling and driving position of any CC compared to MC, and Id only own a Correct Craft- but the MC's do ski very nicely. I ski behind '94 and '95 PS190's fairly regularly. I wouldnt look too hard at the 2001 hull, as the 90+ Ski Nautique (No Wake Zone) hull was a huge improvement in regards to slalom performance. I do understand your struggle in finding a nice boat for a reasonable price, though- the values for closed bow inboards seems to be higher in the northeast than anywhere else in the country. Ill keep on the lookout for you.
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As a slalom skier, you will not be happy with the BFN. In fact, it's not even that great of a barefoot boat. With a tower it's a good wakeboard boat though.
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Originally posted by Bri892001 Bri892001 wrote:

I checked out that site, it's pretty good. Nothing is quite like CCFan though, in that regard.

You're right about stuff coming unwrapped soon and coming on the market. Whenever the subject comes up, my father loves to say, "there's plenty of boats out there" And I'll say, "yeah Dad, but are there plenty of good condition, low hours, direct drive, tournament ski boats, under 15k with teak platforms and fuel injection and..."


Bri, there are. This is a fire-sale selling climate. You should be able to get into a no-wood EFI boat for around 10K.
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I checked out that site, it's pretty good. Nothing is quite like CCFan though, in that regard.

You're right about stuff coming unwrapped soon and coming on the market. Whenever the subject comes up, my father loves to say, "there's plenty of boats out there" And I'll say, "yeah Dad, but are there plenty of good condition, low hours, direct drive, tournament ski boats, under 15k with teak platforms and fuel injection and..."
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themalibucrew.com is a site similar to this one for malibu enthusiasts.

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Originally posted by bkhallpass bkhallpass wrote:

I found it. 93 Echelon was first. Phased in others next year.
All boats by 95. The Bu owners site is themalibucrew.com.

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Is that there site like we have ours?
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Great stuff guys.. If had to pick other than Correct Craft, Malibu be it.. Correct Craft been in my family for a long time, I would hate for some one come out the grave and beet me with a hammer..
But as I have stated in other posts, I think you others will do you better than a Mastercraft..
I have a friend of mine that owns a Malibu, a 92, it is solid and shows great durabilty with the how it is used. Malibu makes a tremoundous boat and will for the future. I think them and Correct Craft will compete for years to come. My opionion..
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I found it. 93 Echelon was first. Phased in others next year.
All boats by 95. The Bu owners site is themalibucrew.com.

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try going to themalibu.com you should be able to get that info there!!
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93 Malibu Echelon was the first boat that Bu made with all fiberglass construction. I don't know when they did so with their other model boats, but I'm almost positive that the Echelon was the only one in 93.

I've been recently chastised for worrying about the look of boats. As I said in another thread, I could live with an ugly color if I got a really, really good deal. If I'm paying top dollar, or even market rate, then I want a color I like.

Don't be impatient. It's only March. In the next 4 to 6 weeks, folks will be pulling boats out of winter storage, and you'll see a lot more on the market.

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Does anyone know when Malibu stopped using wooden stringers?
My local Malibu dealer has a pretty nice condition, low hours, 1993 MALIBU Euro F3 in a very "unfortunate" color scheme. It's right in my price range.

I am starting to think that skiing behind and aquamarine and pink ski boat could be more fun than spending another summer sitting on the dock, watching other people ride/ski by with their boats.
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PM AWSA Article

This was that article about the AWSA review I was talking about. It's a great shot of an early 90's open bow Ski Nautique as well.
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Good PM article. I think Marty posted it a couple months back.

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Ski Supreme and American Skier were each made by companies of the same name. Supreme has changed hands but is still in business, though I don't think they build many units. American Skier went out of business a few years ago. They were bought by a guy who changed the name to Elan. I don't know if they are still in business.

Sanger builds a solid hull. They still use wooden stringers. Fit and finish on the Sangers is not nearly as good at CC or some others in my opinion.

Malibu builds a pretty high quality boat now. However, during the 80s, Malibu was just starting out. They were building a price point boat at that time. Quality wasn't even close to the CCs of that era. The Malibus of the early 80s, also had a fairly hard wake.

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Hey, does anyone remember this article??!!:
Popular Mechanics Ski Boat Article

I remember reading this at the ripe old age of 12, by then, I had already started lusting after these boats big time. At that point, my family had a crappy old starcraft with a 4 cyclinder OMC Outdrive. My older cousin could wrestle the thing to a stop on a kneeboard. I wanted a tournement boat soooohhh bad. This article was worse than Joe Camel and the Marlboro Man combined as far as hooking youth on something.

It's funny, the 2001 was #1, but Supra and Supreme actually beat out the MC too, I'd still take the MC of those two though.

I really miss Popular Mechanics' boating articles. They seem to have totally gotten out of that business but they were very objective. Modern boating magazines seem to be nothing but very fancy brochures, they never say anything that might sound like a negative.

I've got a couple other cool PM ski boat links if anyone is interesed. They also did an outboard Barefoot review and and a full explanation of AWSA ratings. I thought about making that a seperate thread, maybe someone already has.

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Who made Ski Supremes and American Skier? In my opionion the only boats made better that Correct Crafts is Sanger, or Malibu.(Would never buy one though!) But Correct Crafts from the older style boats are just more solid and provide to many pluses than the others. From the late 70's to the early 90's, I love them Correct Crafts..
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Look, I'm not trying to support MCs, I'm a CCfan. But, MC used PCM for many years. I'm not sure what year they switched to Indmar.

The wakes were flatter on MCs through the 80s than on CCs. American Skiers were flatter for that matter. The 82-89 SN was known for having a hard lip on the wake. The CCs were one of the first boats with spray relief pockets which began to minimize spray at short line lengths. Yes, records were set behind CCs. They were also set behind others.

Although the 82-89SN was known for a hard lip for skiing, it resulted in an unintentional benefit. The 82-89SN makes amongst the best wakeboard boat of those built during that period. With the MCs, American Skiers, Centurions, Ski Supremes, etc. of the 80s, they went with a very flat bottom, to produce a very flat ski wake. However, now that people want to wakeboard, these flat bottom boats don't produce a very good wakeboard wake no matter how much ballast you put in them. Add to that a fairly low freeboard in most of the models, and you can't add that much weight to them. At least not safely.

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I don't want to discourage you from taking on a project. I really enjoy the projects myself. However, if you don't get a lot of enjoyment from the project, you will be money ahead to keep your search open till you find a boat with good solid floors and stringers, or buy a 93 and later model. They are out there. You just have to be patient.

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I guess my thought of wake was better with the Nautiques. The 2001 hull was used in many Championship ski tournaments because of the design and wake. I think the Nautique hull has always shot more of a flater wake than the Mastercrafts, espcially if you talking the 2001 hull against the the Pro Star hull. Do you agree?
Yea Mastercraft got us beat on stringers, but feel, ride, and comfort, and also re-sale value, Correct Craft is always a valued more because of the quality. Plus Correct Craft has PCM, Mastercraft does not..
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